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Hitler Was not a Christian.

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posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 11:19 AM
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The problem we see with people such as Hitler is that their propaganda and the way they talked would lead people to believe he was a Christian. Much like people believed himself and the Nazis were socialists.

Hitler and the Nazis used religion as a propaganda tool, trying to appeal to religion to gather support and justify their actions. In the same vein, they used rhetoric and propaganda that appeals to socialists, as the socialists were very anti-Nazi and even fought them in the streets to push them back.

So no, I would not say Hitler was a "Christian". He was an intelligent man that used religion, among many other things, to appeal to the people.




posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 12:15 PM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
Also, despite his ramblings about just how evil Bolshevism is, which he also blamed the Jewish people for since Karl Marx was also a Jew. Karl Marx himself also hated the Jewish people, even though he was born a Jew.


This "self-hate" is a Jewish trait. Remember, 11 tribes of Israel exterminated the 12th tribe of Benjamin.

Only Jews exterminate Jews. It is claimed Hitler was 1/4 Jewish. Most likely, if we search we'll discover that Hitler's roots are in the remnant of the tribe of Benjamin that was exterminated, and his obsession and extermination of the remaining 11 tribes in modern times was "payback" for what those Jews did to their own tribe of Benjamin long ago.

Now that all the tribes of Israel are living together in their own land once again, it will be interesting to see if they can live in peace with each other. Remember, they were "scattered" among the nations, so that they would not be bickering at each other all the time. Here is what the LORD has said of his "chosen people"...



And he said unto me, Son of man, I send thee to the children of Israel, to a rebellious nation that hath rebelled against me: they and their fathers have transgressed against me, even unto this very day. -- KJV, Ezekiel 2:3

For they are impudent children and stiffhearted. I do send thee unto them; and thou shalt say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD. -- KJV, Ezekiel 2:4


So GOD always saw his chosen as "rebellious" and disobedient to his laws.

Hence the need for religion to "correct" the ways of the wayward.



posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 02:24 PM
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a reply to: AMPTAH

Indeed..the word Holocaust itself is a word describing Jews burning other Jews.

Being the "chosen ones" provides alot of bitterness towards each other.



posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 02:24 PM
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Hitler was a chameleon. He was anything he chose to be depending on his audience. What was he really? He didn't even know. Therein lies a significant portion of his "madness." He was indeed the stereotypical politician.



posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 03:07 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Actually, he was brought up in a Christian school I believe, but he rejected it. It's not uncommon for one to reject the religion of their birth. It's actually much more prevalent that one may think. Even Christians have been known to convert to Satanism which is the polar opposite.



posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 06:08 PM
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He was a Schicklgruber. As in Schicklgruber Jugend Weiblich (sjw). The name clearly showed his religious background.



posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 08:19 PM
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a reply to: Ridhya

He wasn't complicated, he just had two sides to him. One was the fake Hitler who claimed to be Christian, because again the majority of Germans back then were Catholic/Christian so he needed to publicly claim to be a Christian. The other side to him was his true self, a side he only revealed in private to his closest allies, an anti-Christian madman who thought that religion would destroy itself, and that "religion was a scourge on humanity."

i find it quite interesting how those of you who apparently are not religious want to deny these facts. Even those NAZIs who were closest to him and knew him wrote about his anti-religion view. His confidants and allies like Goebbels and Albert Speer among others.

As another example of how other leftists have used "religion" to gather more votes there is Chavez. In case most of you didn't know it was Chavez who convinced fidel castro to lift the ban on religion in Cuba, and Chavez himself has claimed to be Christian to his own people because a majority of Venezuelans are religious. Without getting the vote of this religious majority, even the farmers and factory workers, Chavez would not have gotten enough votes to get him in power.

Chavez claimed that "Jesus Christ was the first socialist", but that's imply not true. Jesus said he didn't come to change governments, or political movements. Jesus was not a socialist, he wasn't political and his teachings were not political or about politics. But Chavez, just like Hitler and many others knew that they could use religion to garner the votes they needed to win by making such claims that "Jesus Christ was a socialist, or even a communist. Heck now the Vatican has a pope who is an open advocate of "communism" who claims that "the best Christians are communist". This goes against the teachings of Christ.

Fidel Castro was an atheist to the day of his death who had banned religion in Cuba, he threw out priests from the island, closed Catholic schools, and in general banned all religions. People in Cuba who were religious had to practice their religion in secret. Several religious figures tried to get castro to lift the ban on religion altogether to no avail. However John Paul II was able to get a lift on Christmas, at least for a time. But it was Chavez who convinced castro to lift the ban on religion, but only so that communism could be revived in Cuba. Chavez even claims that castro told him that "he was a Christian in the social sense". It makes no sense at all more so when both castro and Chavez have murdered or ordered the murder of people who would not bow to their dictatorial rule.


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posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 08:30 PM
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originally posted by: introvert
The problem we see with people such as Hitler is that their propaganda and the way they talked would lead people to believe he was a Christian. Much like people believed himself and the Nazis were socialists.
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So no, I would not say Hitler was a "Christian". He was an intelligent man that used religion, among many other things, to appeal to the people.


Here is the difference which i know many in the left don't want to accept. Hitler was not a Christian, or a Catholic. He even imprisoned priests in places such as the Dachau concentration camp where many Catholic priests had been imprisoned. However, Hitler did implement socialism in Germany, sorry to rain on your parade. He nationalized banks, he nationalized education, he nationalized healthcare implementing what the left hail as "the perfect healthcare system being run by the government". All his policies were socialist and none of his deeds or policies were religious in the least.


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posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 08:45 PM
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The fact that Hitler wasn't a Christian is mind blowing to me.

Christ came with a message of love and forgiveness.

Mind = blown



posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 08:49 PM
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originally posted by: toysforadults
The fact that Hitler wasn't a Christian is mind blowing to me.

Christ came with a message of love and forgiveness.

Mind = blown


Well, over the years many members have tried claiming that he was Christian, and to this day there are members who make that claim, meanwhile those same members try to deny the actual policies and changes he implemented in Germany all of which were socialist in nature.



posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 08:52 PM
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originally posted by: AMPTAH

This "self-hate" is a Jewish trait. Remember, 11 tribes of Israel exterminated the 12th tribe of Benjamin.

Only Jews exterminate Jews. It is claimed Hitler was 1/4 Jewish. Most likely, if we search we'll discover that Hitler's roots are in the remnant of the tribe of Benjamin that was exterminated, and his obsession and extermination of the remaining 11 tribes in modern times was "payback" for what those Jews did to their own tribe of Benjamin long ago.
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Now you are making a claim you pulled out of your magic hat. The thread deals with actual evidence, what his confidants wrote about him and what Hitler himself said in his private conversations. That's concrete evidence and not made up claims.


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posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 08:53 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse



Here is the difference which i know many in the left don't want to accept. Hitler was not a Christian, or a Catholic. He even imprisoned priests in places such as the Dachau concentration camp where many Catholic priests had been imprisoned.


Believing Hitler was a christian is not a Left-Right issue. Many people are simply uninformed about it.



Hitler did implement socialism in Germany, sorry to rain on your parade.


Not in the traditional sense of the term, known at the time. Hitler and the Nazis fought against the socialists and communists. Part of their propaganda served to appeal to them as well, hoping to squash dissent and fold them in to the party.



He nationalized banks


No. He did not.

The German central banking system had been in place since the Wiemar Republic created it. While Hitler did seem to force private banks to finance the war efforts, the banks were not controlled in the sense of interest rates and how it affected the people of Germany.

Hitler ran on a platform of anti-Usary sentiments, but it was nothing more than propaganda attempting to appeal to certain demographics. Much like the propaganda in relation to socialism.



he nationalized education, he nationalized healthcare


Those two went hand in hand. His goal was not nationalize healthcare and education for the sake of the socialism policy. He did it because he thought the young people of Germany would be the driving force behind his desire for dominance and wanted to keep them healthy and educated.

The goal of that act was not to implement socialist policy. It was to implement policy that would benefit the Reich long term.



mplementing what the left hail as "the perfect healthcare system being run by the government".


Do you have a source for that quote?



All his policies were socialist and none of his deeds or policies were religious in the least.


Seems to me you are aware of one method of their propaganda, and yet are falling for another.
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posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 08:55 PM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Well, calling any mass murder a Christian when Christ teachings were centered around love and forgiveness is kinda ridiculous so I am supporting your argument.

Claiming to be something you aren't doesn't make you what you think you are.

I did crack a joke but I didn't mean it to be that aggressive.
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posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 10:05 PM
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originally posted by: introvert
Not in the traditional sense of the term, known at the time. Hitler and the Nazis fought against the socialists and communists. Part of their propaganda served to appeal to them as well, hoping to squash dissent and fold them in to the party.


Socialists and communists have fought, and killed each other all the time. For crying out loud Stalin and Lenin could not see eye to eye because both had a different view on what form of socialism should rule. While Lenin wanted to introduce international/global socialism Stalin wanted national socialism, or communism only for the Soviet Union. Stalin even ordered the death of Trotsky, among others, and Trotsky wrote about the many attempts, until Stalin finally was able to kill Trostky.

The Castros did the same thing, they even executed socialists who realized and complained that the castros were implanting communists in "their revolution". Just because Hitler was against communists and other socialist doesn't make him any less socialist. In fact both him an Mussolini invented a new branch of socialism, "national socialism" aka "fascism".

National Socialism wasn't a farce to get the people to follow him when all his policies were socialistic in nature. Yes business owners could keep their businesses just as long as they did exactly what Hitler and his top men demanded of businesses and corporations. He put them all to work "for the betterment of Germany", puting the good of the collective/the nation before making incentives. Did some German business owners make money? sure, and many others were bankrupt because of these same policies.


originally posted by: introvert
No. He did not.


Yes he did, not only was it part of the 25 point program of the NSDAP, but those points were implemented.

On June 15, 1939 a new Reichsbank law was introduced which made banks "UNCONDITIONALLY SUBORDINATED TO THE SOVEREIGNTY OF THE STATE." Article 3 of the new law stated that banks should be “directed and managed according to the instructions and under the supervision of the Fuehrer and Reich Chancellor.” That's nationalization of banks". He forced banks to buy government bonds, he was opposed to materialism, but even took money from savings accounts and insurance agencies "for the good of the nation/collective".

Your claim that "he was only running these programs as a propaganda to appeal to the people" is nothing more than a made up claim.


originally posted by: introvert
Do you have a source for that quote?


Do you have a direct source for all your claims?... I am not talking about left-wing authors who claim they know what Hitler thought, just like you are doing. I am asking direct evidence that Hitler, or any of his closest allies wrote these things you are claiming...

Point 21 of the 25 points of the NSDAP stated:


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21. The State must ensure that the nation's health standards are raised by protecting mothers and infants, by prohibiting child labor, by promoting physical strength through legislation providing for compulsory gymnastics and sports, and by the extensive support of clubs engaged in the physical training of youth.
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www.axishistory.com...


originally posted by: introvert
Seems to me you are aware of one method of their propaganda, and yet are falling for another.


Seems to me you are making claims which Hitler nor his closest allies ever wrote. You are claiming contrary to what Hitler and the NAZIS did, that you know what was on his mind and that it was simply propaganda... Yet you provide not one piece of evidence for these claims you make.




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posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 10:44 PM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

Now you are making a claim you pulled out of your magic hat. The thread deals with actual evidence, what his confidants wrote about him and what Hitler himself said in his private conversations. That's concrete evidence and not made up claims.



Not my magic hat.

Hitler's ancestry is shrouded in mystery.

Hitler himself knew of his possible Jewish roots, and he was worried about this so...quote:



this picture sufficiently worried Hitler that he had the Nazi law defining Jewishness written to exclude Jesus Christ and himself.


Source: www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org...



saliva samples were collected from 39 of Hitler's known relatives to test their DNA origins and found, though inconclusively, that Hitler may have Jewish origins.


What we do know for certain, is Hitler was not a Blonde Blue-eyed Aryan.



posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 10:51 PM
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a reply to: AMPTAH

Can you post direct evidence of Hitler making these claims you are making? or is this yet another "I know what Hitler thought" type of claim?



posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 11:05 PM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
a reply to: AMPTAH

Can you post direct evidence of Hitler making these claims you are making? or is this yet another "I know what Hitler thought" type of claim?


I don't have any special knowledge about Hitler, other than what is written about him in various places around the internet.

Who has "direct evidence" of anything about Hitler. Were you there?



posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 11:16 PM
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originally posted by: AMPTAH

I don't have any special knowledge about Hitler, other than what is written about him in various places around the internet.

Who has "direct evidence" of anything about Hitler. Were you there?


So you did not even read the op... The op and the evidence provided were written records of conversations Hitler had with appointed officers with the directive to write everything Hitler thought for posterity. His own closest allies also wrote about this.

What you are claiming is speculation without any evidence. Hitler did hate Jewish people, but it wasn't because of your claims. At least it wasn't what Hitler ever wrote. They did blame Jewish people for having control over economies, as the NAZIS thought it since it is what they wrote. hitler specifically blamed Jewish people for Christianity, and Bolshevism. It is one of the points I presented and excerpted from the "Table Talk" book about the conversations Hitler had.


Christianity is the worst of the regressions that mankind can ever have undergone, and it's the Jew who, thanks to this diabolic invention, has thrown him back fifteen centuries. The only thing that would be still worse would be victory for the Jew through Bolshevism. If Bolshevism triumphed, mankind would lose the gift of laughter and joy. It would become merely a shapeless mass, doomed to grayness and despair.
Adolf Hitler

Adolf Hitler (1953). “Table talk, 1941-1944”

www.azquotes.com...

Please read the op and the information provided.


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posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 11:27 PM
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originally posted by: Raggedyman
a reply to: Woodcarver

Wow,,who would have thought that


A lot of people, considering that it is not settled what he believed.



posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 11:31 PM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

So you did not even read the op... The op and the evidence provided were written records of conversations Hitler had with appointed officers with the directive to write everything Hitler thought for posterity. His own closest allies also wrote about this.

What you are claiming is speculation without any evidence. Hitler did hate Jewish people, but it wasn't because of your claims.

Please read the op and the information provided.



Hitler played a role, like an actor.

He was a master at deception.

He engineered the circumstances and environment around him.

What Hitler said, was what Hitler wanted others to hear.

It served a purpose.

It motivated them to do the things he wanted done.

As a result of Hitler's action, we are told 6,000,000 Jewish souls were taken up from this earth, and the State of Israel got the necessary permission from the world powers to come into being.

According to Jewish Rabbis, these two things are not supposed to happen until the Jewish Messiah comes.

If we put these realities together logically, it all makes perfect sense "if and only if" we take the hypothesis that Hitler was in fact Jewish, and he was also in fact the Jewish Messiah, and the 6 million Jews were taken up to Heaven, leaving their earthly body behind, and the New State of Israel came to be, all because of his actions. Done under the "fog of war", with deceptions and deliberate misdirection to blind the rest of the population who can't think for themselves, about what really happened in the great wars.

So, to figure out the "truth", look at the "results" of Hitler's action, and "work backwards" from there.

Remember, "truth is the first casualty of war."

All is propaganda.




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