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Hitler Was not a Christian.

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posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 06:24 AM
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I have often heard the claim that this despicable man was a Christian because he would often talk to the German masses as if he was a Christian. But when we read the secret/private conversations he made which were transcribed by "officers picked to write down Hitler's conversations, his thoughts, his vision and his madness a different story appears about this most evil man.

"Hitler's Table Talk" were monologues of Hitler transcribed for posterity, for Hitler thought that if he won the war he would not need to hide his true intentions to anyone anymore. Although the name "Hitler's Table Talk" was the main name given to these transcripts, they were also release in different languages and with different titles. Another of the those titles was "Secret conversations".

But to start off lets see what wikipedia itself has to say about "Hitler's religious views".


Religious views of Adolf Hitler
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Adolf Hitler in 1927, rehearsing his oratorical gestures; photo by Heinrich Hoffmann

Adolf Hitler's religious beliefs have been a matter of debate; the wide consensus of historians consider him to have been irreligious and anti-Christian. In light of evidence such as his vocal rejection of the tenets of Christianity,[1] numerous private statements to confidants denouncing Christianity as a harmful superstition, and his strenuous efforts to reduce the influence and independence of Christianity in Germany after he came to power, Hitler's major academic biographers conclude that he was irreligious and an opponent of Christianity. Historian Laurence Rees found no evidence that "Hitler, in his personal life, ever expressed belief in the basic tenets of the Christian church".[2] Hitler's remarks to confidants, as described in the Goebbels Diaries, the memoirs of Albert Speer, and transcripts of Hitler's private conversations recorded by Martin Bormann in Hitler's Table Talk, are further evidence of his irreligious and anti-Christian beliefs; these sources record a number of private remarks in which Hitler ridicules Christian doctrine as absurd, contrary to scientific advancement, and socially destructive.[3]
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en.wikipedia.org...

Since certain people love "consensus" I wanted to point out that most scholars say that Hitler was irreligious and an opponent of Christianity despite his more public speeches claiming he was a Christian.

Apart from that we have the works left by his own people who all said and wrote the same thing about Hitler. Hitler saw his backing of Christianity as a way to garner the votes of all Germans, including the Jewish people.

Hitler hid to the German public his disdain for Christianity and religion so that he would get the votes to get him in power. Back then the majority of the German people were Catholic/Christian. Hitler understood,[SNIPPED], that by lying to Christians and Jews he would get their vote, but in private he was always quick to show his disdain not only for Christianity and the Jewish people, but he also showed disdain for most other religions except Islam, Shinto and Paganism.

Let's continue with some of the quotes Hitler made in his private conversations.


National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things. (p 6 & 7)

Night of 11th-12th July, 1941

The book Hitler's Secret Conversations 1941-1944 published by Farrar, Straus and Young, Inc.first edition, 1953,





This pride of race is a quality which the German, fundamentally, does not possess. The reason for this is that for these last three centuries the country has been torn by internal dissension and religious wars and has been subjected to a variety of foreign influences, to the influence, for example, of Christianity—for Christianity is not a natural religion for the Germans, but a religion that has been imported and which strikes no responsive chord in their hearts and is foreign to the inherent genius of the race.

Adolf Hitler

13 February 1945. - The Testament of Adolf Hitler (1945)

libquotes.com...


Christianity is the worst of the regressions that mankind can ever have undergone, and it's the Jew who, thanks to this diabolic invention, has thrown him back fifteen centuries. The only thing that would be still worse would be victory for the Jew through Bolshevism. If Bolshevism triumphed, mankind would lose the gift of laughter and joy. It would become merely a shapeless mass, doomed to grayness and despair.
Adolf Hitler

Adolf Hitler (1953). “Table talk, 1941-1944”

www.azquotes.com...


There is something very unhealthy about Christianity.
Adolf Hitler

Adolf Hitler (1972). “Secret conversations, 1941-1944”, Octagon Press, Limited

www.azquotes.com...


The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges : the pox and Christianity.
Adolf Hitler

Adolf Hitler (1972). “Secret conversations, 1941-1944”, Octagon Press, Limited

www.azquotes.com...

Unfortunately to view these "conversations" one has to either buy the books, if they are still available, or read a copy from a "white nationalist website in Spain".

I am not a "white nationalist" nor a "racist", but to those who cannot or would not buy the book here is a copy of the book "Hitler's Table Talk" from Spain's "nationalists.org website".

www.nationalists.org...

As abhorrent as I find it to have to post this link, it is still a copy that anyone can read to actually see what Hitler believed, and the vision he had not only for Germany but for the world. A vision of a madman, a murderer, and a dictator.

In fact by reading some of his other private conversations one can see that Hitler thought that Christianity would have to concede to science, and eventually that Christianity would cease to exist. He found Christianity so abhorrent that he felt that the religion of the Japanese and being a Muslim was better than being a Christian.


You see, it's been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn't we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?

Adolf Hitler

www.azquotes.com...

Also, despite his ramblings about just how evil Bolshevism is, which he also blamed the Jewish people for since Karl Marx was also a Jew. Karl Marx himself also hated the Jewish people, even though he was born a Jew.

(continued)



edit on 27-12-2017 by ElectricUniverse because: correct comment.

edit on 12.27.2017 by Kandinsky because: Snipped partisan comment




posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 06:40 AM
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He believed that German's were "Aryans". Aryans which in fact were historically originally an Iranian nomadic tribe. Whom we know conquered the Indus Valley (first Indian civilization) back in like 2000BC. They had blue eyes, not unlike the Kurds from roughly the same origins point (Kurdistan). And they brought India the Vedas. Which is where Hitler got the what he called "Swastika" (or at least thats its origins). Which of course that scene is all sorts of exotic Pagan-try. And Hitler's crew has a sort of infamy for occult practices, although I cant speak much to that part not yet.



posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 06:46 AM
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Furthermore we can also see Hitler's other opinions, how he thought that "the collective is always more important than the individual", alongside his extremist environmentalist views. He also believed in evolution, and in his "private as well as public conversations" you would hear him speak about "progress for the advancement of the race and the betterment of nature".

on page 4 of "Hitler's Table Talk" he stated:


...
I think there's still petroleum in thousands of places. As for
coal, we know we're reducing the natural reserves, and that in
so doing we are creating gaps in the sub-soil. But as for
petroleum, it may be that the lakes from which we are drawing
are constantly renewed from invisible reservoirs.
Without doubt, man is the most dangerous microbe imagin-
able. He exploits the ground beneath his feet without ever
asking whether he is disposing thus of products that would per-
haps be indispensable to the life of other regions.
If one
examined the problem closely, one would probably find here
the origin of the catastrophes that occur periodically in the
earth
's surface.
...



Further down on page 5 Hitler stated:


...
What progress in the direction of the New Europe! Just as the auto-bahn has caused the inner frontiers of Germany to disappear,
so it will abolish the frontiers of the countries of Europe.


...


Hitler envisioned a "world without frontiers" which would be reached through "progress", and of course through science.

Further down in page 5 and 6 he also stated.


...
3 Night of 11 th-12 th July 1941
The natural piety of man—Russian atheists know how to
die—No atheistical education.
I think the man who contemplates the universe with his eyes
wide open is the man with the greatest amount of natural piety:
not in the religious sense, but in the sense of an intimate
harmony with things.

At the end of the last century the progress of science and
technique led liberalism astray into proclaiming man's mastery
of nature, and announcing that he would soon have dominion
over space. But a simple storm is enough—and everything
collapses like a pack of cards!
In any case, we shall learn to become familiar with the laws
by which life is governed, and acquaintance with the laws of


nature will guide us on the path of progress. As for the why
of these laws, we shall never know anything about it. A thing is so,
and our understanding cannot conceive of other schemes.
Man has discovered in nature the wonderful notion of that
all-mighty being whose law he worships.
Fundamentally in everyone there is the feeling for this all-
mighty, which we call God (that is to say, the dominion of
natural laws throughout the whole universe
). The priests, who
have always succeeded in exploiting this feeling, threaten
punishments for the man who refuses to accept the creed they
impose.
...


Notice how Hitler believed that the "feeling of dominion of natural laws throughout the whole universe" that every human feels had in his opinion been exploited by priests through imposing their creed. Obviously Hitler did not believe per say in any religion, although he though being a Japanese or a Muslim was always better than being a Christian. But he did realize even before these private conversations were recorded, that he could "use religion" to garner the votes of religious people.

If i were to quote every part of this book, or other books and statements made by the men who were closest to Hitler one would find time and again the fact that Hitler hated Christianity as much as he hated the Jewish people.

This monster that Hitler was was not a Christian, but his views and thoughts closely mirror the views and thoughts of many people around the world who lean far left in the political spectrum.




edit on 27-12-2017 by ElectricUniverse because: correct excerpt.

edit on 27-12-2017 by ElectricUniverse because: correct comment.



posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 06:47 AM
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originally posted by: ElectricUniverse
Furthermore we can also see Hitler's other opinions, how he thought that "the collective is always more important than the individual",


Because Groupthink is the most powerful Mind Control known to man.






Apologies I didnt see your (continued)


edit on 27-12-2017 by IgnoranceIsntBlisss because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 06:59 AM
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There would be very few if any educated people who would claim Hitler was a Christian, probably was taught but certainly didn't show any of the works of the Holy Spirit

He certainly orchestrated many deaths, against Christs teachings



posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 07:06 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. Lucius Annaeus Seneca



posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 07:29 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

You should worry about leaders in power who wash the face meanwhile killing millions for profit. Hitler is long gone.



posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 07:30 AM
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(continued)

Further down in the ramblings of this monster and madman we can also read how he thought that "religion would cease to exist".


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4 Nightofii th- is th July 1941
...

When National Socialism has ruled long enough, it will no
longer be possible to conceive of a form of life different from
ours.
In the long run, National Socialism and religion will no
longer be able to exist together.

On a question from C. S., whether this antagonism might mean a
war, the Fuehrer continued:
No, it does not mean a war. The ideal solution would be to
leave the religions to devour themselves, without persecutions.


But in that case we must not replace the Church by something
equivalent. That would be terrifying! It goes without saying
that the whole thing needs a lot of thought. Everything will
occur in due time. It is a simple question of honesty, that's what
it will finally boil down to.
...


As it is Hitler and most of the NAZIS held a view of nature being sacred to the point that it was part of the NAZI's opinions that what they saw a "the lowest forms of men" were lowest even than apes. This view by the NAZIS that animals were in essence even more important than humans who they saw as inferior is what led the NAZIS to brainwash the German, non-Jewish people to believe that the ritual sacrifices performed by the Jewish people were "an injustice to nature and an abhorrent practice that only barbarians would use".

It was through the use of environmentalist fanaticism and propaganda that the NAZIS instilled hatred on the Jewish people.

Through the use of propagandist films like “The Eternal Jew” and by claiming that "animals had rights" Hitler and the NAZIS were able to instill so much hatred against the Jewish people and hence "the holocaust".

Hitler’s Green Killing Machine

It was thus through their worship of nature, "their belief in social Darwinism and their views that others who did not hold the views of the NAZIS were inferior than the NAZIS. this is the same view the NAZIS had for "the week, the disabled and the deformed".


Sparta must be regarded as the first völkisch state. The exposure of the sick, weak, deformed children, in short, their destruction, was more decent and in truth a thousand times more human than the wretched insanity of our day which preserves the most pathological subject. Adolf Hitler

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On Mein Kampf we can also see more of Hitler's views on the subject of eugenics, and what the NAZIS thought was "a more humane way to deal with deformed and weak babies".


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For as soon as the procreative faculty is thwarted and the number of births diminished, the natural struggle for existence which allows only healthy and strong individuals to survive is replaced by a sheer craze to 'save' feeble and even diseased creatures at any cost. And thus the seeds are sown for a human progeny which will become more and more miserable from one generation to another, as long as Nature's will is scorned. -- Adolf Hitler
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There could be hundreds of quotes and deeds by the NAZIS that i could excerpt, but it should be clear by now the real views that HItler and the NAZIS held and who hold similar views to those who to this day hold very similar views.



edit on 27-12-2017 by ElectricUniverse because: correct comment.



posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 07:37 AM
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For those that would rather watch videos here is a very informative video on the subject.




posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 08:33 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

So, he chose a different man-fabricated fable to be the pole he used for propping up his tent?

OMG! Say it isnt so!!!

So, now after all of the other actionable reasons to hate this guy we have that of him being "non-christian".....

I say we throw "pig-fornicator" in there for good measure while we're at it!!! After all, Kids in the Hall proved he was a donkey-fornicator!!!


Hitler BLANKS a donkey



posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 08:42 AM
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Doesn't matter how many secret meetings he had, he was raised catholic and knew a lot about said religion.
He also wrote about it extensively in Mein Kampfe.
He may not have been a GOOD christian but at points in life he was a man of faith, just like he liked dogs and was a vegetarian.

He was just another man, who happened to be terribly racist, hypocritical and a mass murderer who went absolutely power mad.

People often change their religious beliefs over time, why would he be any different?



posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 08:45 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

Hitler WAS a Christian. Just don't try to paint your religion (Christianity) is f****** peaceful. Just admit it.


edit on 27-12-2017 by mekhanics because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 08:50 AM
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a reply to: ElectricUniverse

I personally don’t see how anybody believes in Christianity as a valid worldview, But I was under the impression that Hitler was a believer. Honestly haven’t read much about him.



posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 08:52 AM
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I mean, yeah. You could've gotten this from Wikipedia.

en.wikipedia.org...


Adolf Hitler's religious beliefs have been a matter of debate; the wide consensus of historians consider him to have been irreligious and anti-Christian.



posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 08:57 AM
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reply to: ElectricUniverse
More accurately, he was complicated and influenced by a lot of sects. He (and Himmler) were both very Catholic but Himmler became an "esoteric pagan", even carrying the Rig Veda around with him and saying he was reincarnated. He wanted to get rid of the Church but Hitler stopped him.

But Hitler never bought into Himmler's insane ideas and even chastised him for it many times. They both believed in God and even approved "gott mit uns" on some SS insignias. The were both extremely anti-atheist and believed bolshevism to be the most evil thing in the world. You might remember, they fought a whole war over it...

But their idea of god was more of a classic deification of natural principals like survival-of-the-fittest.





I am not a "white nationalist" nor a "racist", but to those who cannot or would not buy the book here is a copy of the book "Hitler's Table Talk" from Spain's "nationalists.org website".

www.nationalists.org...

As abhorrent as I find it to have to post this link, it is still a copy that anyone can read to actually see what Hitler believed, and the vision he had not only for Germany but for the world. A vision of a madman, a murderer, and a dictator.

Funny then that the very first source in a search goes to archive.org



posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 09:01 AM
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originally posted by: FHomerK
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

So, he chose a different man-fabricated fable to be the pole he used for propping up his tent?

OMG! Say it isnt so!!!

So, now after all of the other actionable reasons to hate this guy we have that of him being "non-christian".....

I say we throw "pig-fornicator" in there for good measure while we're at it!!! After all, Kids in the Hall proved he was a donkey-fornicator!!!










edit on 27-12-2017 by FHomerK because: He was a BAAAAAAAAD man....



posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 09:42 AM
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Good post thanks always good to have another look. Depends what a Christian is, within the catholic set up there certainly seems to have been plenty of non Christians. In my way of seeing things he was not a Christian in the least, I wont go in to what I feel about such destructive people wherever they might of originated from.a reply to: ElectricUniverse



posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 09:51 AM
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Hitler could've called himself a "Christian," but his actions obviously proved otherwise.



posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 09:54 AM
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a reply to: Woodcarver

Wow,,who would have thought that



posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 11:04 AM
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the problem with " hitlers secret conversations " - is that just like everything else he uttered - they were targeted at a specific audience .

so using them - or anything else as a gauge for what he actually believed is very dangerous




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