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World Russian election commission blocks Putin adversary from running for president

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posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 01:00 AM
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Putin... threatened? I thought he had it locked down? With his high approval ratings from Russian polsters and his political alliances?


Russian election officials barred the opposition leader Aleksei Navalny from running in next year’s presidential election, a widely expected decision that prompted him to call for his supporters to boycott the election and take part in street protests.

Twelve members of the 13-member Central Election Commission voted on Monday to bar Navalny from registering as a presidential candidate, citing his suspended prison sentence in a fraud case, a prosecution he has denounced as politically motivated. One member abstained from voting because of a possible conflict of interest.

www.thestar.com...

It's refreshing in a sense... that the current establishment in Russia are so threatened at this point that they've had to resort to slimeball tactics. Maybe change is acoming to Russia, much needed change. I really hope the Russian people keep speaking out.




posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 01:34 AM
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a reply to: Southern Guardian

Give it a break mate!

Very few countries allow ex felons to stand for President.

But of course you have some way of knowing that the charges were faked ..... boring.

P



posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 01:37 AM
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a reply to: Southern Guardian
Suspended prison sentence means probation is what that sounds like that. Probation means conviction, fraud typically is a felony. Would you let a convicted felon on supervision run for POTUS?

Don't try and be cute and claim Trump is a felon. He has neither been convicted felony, nor is on DOC supervision for a prison term conviction.

Do I think Putin is overstaying his welcome in a not so democratic manner? Yes, most certainly at this point. What like his fourth term coming up between Prime minister and President? However, barring a convicted felon on a suspended prison sentence from running for the presidency or prime ministership or whatever is probably in their nations best interest.

Putin should just run things in the background with money, like every other Democratic nation on Earth that pretends it is not ruled by wealthy family dynasties. Especially the European ones, they are in total denial about the influence of their Monarchs while they try to point to the US and yell "OLIGARCHY!!!"



posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 01:48 AM
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Let's review this response.

a reply to: worldstarcountry


Suspended prison sentence means probation is what that sounds like that. Probation means conviction, fraud typically is a felony.


Assume the charges are legitimate, no political agenda from the Putin regime.


Don't try and be cute and claim Trump is a felon. He has neither been convicted felony


Trump never mentioned in the OP. Never referred to Trump as a felon either.


Do I think Putin is overstaying his welcome in a not so democratic manner? Yes


Some flexibility given in admitting the Putin regime has overstayed their welcome. I mean it's fairly apparent. Not much movement here to deflect or make excuses over.


Putin should just run things in the background with money, like every other Democratic nation on Earth


Other countries do it but are far less honest. So it's ok.



posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 01:55 AM
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a reply to: Southern Guardian
Given your admitted dislike of the POTUS, I simply wanted to get out any Trump jokes you were likely to make before you did it, thats all.

Do you have the case information and details regarding the subject's conviction?? It would help the reader determine on their own whether allegations of political motivations are possible rather than taking the convicts word for it. Kind of like we do here in the states when prisoners be like "I aint did it!"



posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 02:11 AM
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An ex-felon? Well he's not fit then.



posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 02:14 AM
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a reply to: worldstarcountry


Given your admitted dislike of the POTUS, I simply wanted to get out any Trump jokes you


Not in the OP at all, not the point of the thread.


Do you have the case information and details regarding the subject's conviction?



In a trial widely seen as a means of silencing him, Navalny was convicted of embezzlement from a state timber company in Kirov in 2013, but he was allowed to run for mayor of Moscow while he appealed against the ruling. The 2013 verdict was sent for a retrial by the Russian supreme court after the European court of human rights (ECHR) found procedural violations in it last year.

www.theguardian.com...


Russian political analysts suggested that the prospect of Mr. Navalny’s gaining a national platform to further criticize Mr. Putin had proved too much for the Kremlin hierarchy to tolerate.

“The danger associated with Mr. Navalny is easy to explain,” Vladislav L. Inozemtsev, director of the Center for Postindustrial Studies in Moscow, wrote in an email. “If allowed to run, he will disseminate his corruption findings more widely than ever — and this disturbs very much Mr. Putin and his gang.”

www.nytimes.com...


The verdict hearing was a rushed affair. First, the court abruptly moved it forward two weeks in a move seen as a tactic to avoid massive protests.

And the reading itself took only about 15 minutes - unusual for Russia, where judges usually read sentences for hours, outlining the prosecution's proof and witness testimonies.

Alexei Navalny led mass protests against president Vladimir Putin three years ago, when tens of thousands took to the streets in Moscow and St Petersburg to protest against corruption in Mr Putin's government and inner circle.

The Kremlin denies allegations it uses the courts to persecute opponents.

www.abc.net.au...


A three-and-a-half year suspended prison sentence for Alexei Navalny on questionable fraud charges and a similar sentence in a labour colony for his brother Oleg represents rather less than the prosecution demanded, more than justice would demand. But given that such political trials are choreographed by the Kremlin, what does it say about what’s going on behind those closed doors at this tense and volatile time

www.theguardian.com...

The history of tactics, of power, held closely by the Putin regime, indicates these charges are questionable at best. Deep down you know this, but it's too politically inconvenient to admit it.



posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 02:27 AM
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a reply to: Southern Guardian

We'll never know whether the trial was legit although there are very good chances it was not. Corruption in the judicial system has been well-known for years, but the suggestion will cause outrage amongst some members. There are scores of sites and examples of shenanigans for political advantage.

What I find fascinating is Russia as an example of where we are headed when we reject journalism and control the press. Navalny has a limited forum to argue his case whereas Mr Putin has the apparatus of the State Press at his fingertips. Not only that, there is the St. Petersburg 'troll factory' to blow a fair wind on social media. As I'm not a Russian, I can't claim any special knowledge about Putin's approval ratings. Last time I looked he was at 82%. Perhaps it's accurate? It's hard to know when the pollsters, popular press and social media are extensions of the agenda of the person in power.

One thing for sure, it takes a ballsy guy to run against the status quo in Russia. Magnitsky and a few dozen dead journalists testify to the dangers. Litvinenko springs to mind too. They are all dead due to corruption in the judicial system.



posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 02:28 AM
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originally posted by: Kandinsky

What I find fascinating is Russia as an example of where we are headed when we reject journalism


Um, what journalism?

They have State Propaganda we have State+Corporate Propaganda. Not much difference for the residents in either place when it comes to truth about their own government whatever.


edit on 27-12-2017 by IgnoranceIsntBlisss because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 02:36 AM
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Keep reading MSM propganda,and see how enlightened you are,some take advice,some never do,and actions speak louder then words



posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 03:21 AM
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What I find fascinating is Russia as an example of where we are headed when we reject journalism and control the press.


With all due respect to your post Kandisky and for which I understand your opinion... we could also turn that around the other way no?

Look at how CNN, Fox, USA today, ABC, RT, France24 or Reuters wangle the so called "news" for the sheeple (for example to cite a few countries...)

AND... there are many others from various other countries who operate in the same way in order to sway the sheeples opinion(s) in the same way!

When a "so called" official state run news corps is involved then we are buggered in my opinion!??

I personally would not use Russian state news as a bad example... All our countries are EXTREMELY GUILTY of spreading taurine faecal matter to divert/avert the gullible.

Maybe I might have misunderstood your post and if so please let me know.

Kindest respects

Lags


edit on 27-12-2017 by Lagomorphe because: I am crap!



posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 03:22 AM
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a reply to: Kandinsky

This might help its his blog translated to English. It includes stuff on mistrial and Putin's corruption.

navalny-en.livejournal.com...



posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 04:07 AM
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a reply to: Lagomorphe

Hiya,

I was raising the point of degrees. Our part of the world doesn't have an entirely free press and I accept that. There are still many degrees of difference between our press and the Russian press. Even amongst independent journalists, Russia is ranked very low and it isn't uncommon for them to meet with accidents and deaths. Their independent Press has been stifled whereas it still exists in the West. People are quick to call Western media outlets 'state sponsored propaganda,' but Russia is the real deal.

Fwiw English-speaking Western Press isn't rated in the Top 10 either. As soon as we ramped up the surveillance habits, we simultaneously reduced the freedom of the Press. Investigative journos aren't afforded the protections they have always had. To our shame, if Snowdon was repeated, the reporters from The Guardian would now face prosecution as spies.



Maybe I might have misunderstood your post and if so please let me know.


Russia is on its way to becoming a political echo chamber because the State has so much control across all domestic platforms. I was wondering out loud about the state of our channels of information. People are dismissing information based on their partisan beliefs. Journalists are losing protections. MSM has become even more entangled in fuelling the partisan rhetoric. We have troll factories bombarding us with divisive opinions. I worry that US/UK media will become an echo chamber too.

a reply to: dragonridr

Thanks for the link. It's interesting reading. Particularly the fence story...

edit on 12.27.2017 by Kandinsky because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 04:29 AM
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originally posted by: EvidenceNibbler
An ex-felon? Well he's not fit then.


Aleksei Navalny did not have a fair trial. Widely reported at the time as a fit-up by the corrupt authorities and judiciary. The Russian authorities discredit political opponents, human rights activists, journalists and anyone else who may threaten them, some of whom have died in prison or have been killed.



posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 06:25 AM
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Incredible, immediately "Trump..." get over it. But it goes with the topic nicely, where is all the love for the strong white mean coming from? Probably none of us come from the same social group as Trump and Putin and all the strong white men and women in power.
If nobody from us is representing us, why do we have a gouvernment? So why would I want to hide under one of their skirts?



posted on Dec, 28 2017 @ 02:29 AM
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originally posted by: Kandinsky
a reply to: Lagomorphe

Hiya,

I was raising the point of degrees. Our part of the world doesn't have an entirely free press and I accept that. There are still many degrees of difference between our press and the Russian press. Even amongst independent journalists, Russia is ranked very low and it isn't uncommon for them to meet with accidents and deaths. Their independent Press has been stifled whereas it still exists in the West. People are quick to call Western media outlets 'state sponsored propaganda,' but Russia is the real deal.

Fwiw English-speaking Western Press isn't rated in the Top 10 either. As soon as we ramped up the surveillance habits, we simultaneously reduced the freedom of the Press. Investigative journos aren't afforded the protections they have always had. To our shame, if Snowdon was repeated, the reporters from The Guardian would now face prosecution as spies.



Maybe I might have misunderstood your post and if so please let me know.


Russia is on its way to becoming a political echo chamber because the State has so much control across all domestic platforms. I was wondering out loud about the state of our channels of information. People are dismissing information based on their partisan beliefs. Journalists are losing protections. MSM has become even more entangled in fuelling the partisan rhetoric. We have troll factories bombarding us with divisive opinions. I worry that US/UK media will become an echo chamber too.

a reply to: dragonridr

Thanks for the link. It's interesting reading. Particularly the fence story...


Sincerest apologies for my late response as something came up yesterday.

Funnily enough RT last week has finally been accepted in France as a neutral news outlet... although the CSA (The Conseil supérieur de l'audiovisuel) have been asked to closely monitor the situation :

Superior Council of the Audiovisual), abbreviated CSA, is a French institution created in 1989 (under the Mitterand dictatorship so to speak) whose role is to regulate the various electronic media in France, such as radio and television. The creation of the Haute Autorité de la Communication Audiovisuelle was a measure found in the Socialist Party's electoral program of 1981, called 110 Propositions for France.

The CSA replaced the Commission Nationale de la Communication et des Libertés (CNCL), which itself replaced the Haute Autorité de la Communication Audiovisuelle, created in 1982 to supervise the attribution of radio frequencies to the private radio sector, which was judged better than allowing the anarchic creation of the radios libres ("free radios"), mainly composed of amateurs and NGOs.

The CSA always acts after content has been shown on a TV channel or heard on a radio, so it is not a censorship instance.

For example, the CSA asked the French government to forbid Al-Manar TV in 2005 because of charges of hate speech; it also claimed that MED TV was close to the Kurdish PKK, on grounds not of "evidences" but of "concording elements".

Link here : en.wikipedia.org...

HOWEVER... and a BIG however, the current president Emmanuel Macron has had a lot of say in RT becoming recognised over here in France and has "cough" suggested that the CSA strongly monitor RT... *coughs again*...

Personally "but with a pinch of salt" when it comes to certain stories, I actually prefer at the moment RT to any other so called news outlet.

Not easy to find a "real" so to speak news source as they are closely monitored...

Kindest respects

Lags
edit on 28-12-2017 by Lagomorphe because: Phrases added



posted on Dec, 28 2017 @ 11:52 AM
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a reply to: Southern Guardian
Ok so the conviction was for embezzlement. Evereything else is just more speculative hearsay baiting the public for support in the "i aint did it" defense.

What is his defense to prove he did not embezzle funds from the timber company? What was the prosecutions proof that he did embezzle the funds? These are the facts we need before anybody can claim corruption for certain.

As of now though, I don't think most people would support a convicted felon to run for head of state.



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