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Found dead with two gunshot wounds to the head ruled a suicide

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posted on Dec, 26 2017 @ 09:13 PM
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posted on Dec, 26 2017 @ 09:17 PM
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a reply to: dfnj2015

Wait till you see my next thread...




posted on Dec, 26 2017 @ 09:33 PM
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a reply to: intrptr

Actually you can.

My friend was shot in his head from about 2 feet away. It knocked him out for about 20 sec and then he got up and drove himself to the hospital. The bullet from the 9mill had gone through his skull and into the brain cavity but instead of passing into the brain it bounced and curved around the brain on the inside of the skull and lodge in the back of the skull.

He could have easily shot himself again after that.



posted on Dec, 26 2017 @ 09:51 PM
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originally posted by: eriktheawful

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: eriktheawful


1) Hair trigger: finger convulses quickly after the first shot.

2) Flinched and first shot did not kill right away.

Not likely. Depending on calibre, length of barrel, whether a 'contact' discharge or not, the expanding gasses from discharge enter the mouth or cranium too, the recoil of the weapon will also factor in, usually falling away from the hand.

Very very ulikely to self administer a double tap.


Sorry, but yes it could happen.

I have 2 hand guns that have hair triggers, a .22 and a 9mm that have double shot on me while target shooting. Both have low recoils on them, but a very sensitive trigger.

I call them my Double Tap guns.

Thats a dangerous malfunction, could possibly result in injury or death.

During one of those double fires, If the sear trips and the firing pin strikes the primer before the round is fully chambered, guess whats likely to happen?



posted on Dec, 26 2017 @ 09:54 PM
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Unintentional gun shot wounds to the head aren't classified as suicide.



posted on Dec, 26 2017 @ 09:57 PM
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originally posted by: schuyler

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: eriktheawful

Very very unlikely to self administer a double tap.


You don't shoot guns a lot, do you? VERY easy to double tap with a semi-auto, or a nail gun. Recoil causes another shot. Been there, done that with a Glock 9mm. Luckily, it was a safe range.


The odds of someone committing suicide with a malfunctioning double shot firearm are so remote, they're not worth mentioning, except read what I posted up the page about the danger of that.

Bump fire in automatic rifles are a different subject.



posted on Dec, 26 2017 @ 10:03 PM
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originally posted by: schuyler

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: eriktheawful

Very very unlikely to self administer a double tap.


You don't shoot guns a lot, do you? VERY easy to double tap with a semi-auto, or a nail gun. Recoil causes another shot. Been there, done that with a Glock 9mm. Luckily, it was a safe range.


Some would say I am around fire arms too much. I have never had a "double tap" happen. The only time I have ever had any issue was with an AK with a primary Sear Pin/spring came loose.



posted on Dec, 26 2017 @ 10:04 PM
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a reply to: intrptr

Have you ever done any hunting and shot an animal in the head?

Not pretty. Doesn't always just suddenly drop to the ground unmoving.

In fact, most times when I've done it, they convulse and spasm for 5 to 10 minutes.

Normally when I take deer down I go for center mass of course. Too easy to miss a head shot, then you're screwed after waiting for hours and hours for your shot.

Wild boar on the other hand.....sometimes they just get mad when you shoot them. I'd have to say about 3/4 of the times that I have taken a head shot with them, they'll convulse.

I can easily see a person shooting themselves in the head with a small caliber weapon that has very low recoil, convulsing and causing a 2nd shot to be fired before the gun moves too far.

So no: not impossible.



posted on Dec, 26 2017 @ 10:08 PM
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a reply to: eriktheawful


I can easily see a person shooting themselves in the head with a small caliber weapon that has very low recoil, convulsing and causing a 2nd shot to be fired before the gun moves too far.

So no: not impossible.

I believe I said it was very unlikely, not impossible.

If you hit an animal in the spine, heart or brain it will most likely drop.

Death on the other hand is never 'quick' as seen on tv.

I'd violate TnC and embed but I'll just get more warnings.



posted on Dec, 26 2017 @ 10:10 PM
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a reply to: intrptr

Just demonstrating that a close range bullet to the head doesn't always equal death or physical impairment.



posted on Dec, 26 2017 @ 10:16 PM
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a reply to: intrptr

Now if the weapon were a single or double action revolver, then yah, I'd say it'd be pretty much impossible, with the exception of the case of the first shot only wounding.

Takes a concentrated effort to pull back the hammer for a second shot with a single action, and takes a few pounds of force to pull the trigger with a double action, as it's not only pushing back the hammer, but rotating the revolver too.

There always is that possibility that someone with a very dark and morbid sense of humor sets up some sort of Rube Goldberg machine to carry out their suicide, but other than fiction, I don't believe I've ever heard of anything like that.



posted on Dec, 26 2017 @ 10:19 PM
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originally posted by: scraedtosleep
a reply to: intrptr

Just demonstrating that a close range bullet to the head doesn't always equal death or physical impairment.


Like I keep saying for no particular reason , I did say "very unlikely".



posted on Dec, 26 2017 @ 10:20 PM
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a reply to: intrptr

But it has been known to happen.
And once something happens it really doesn't matter how unlikely it was.
www.huffingtonpost.com...
www.npr.org...
edit on 12/26/2017 by Phage because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 26 2017 @ 10:23 PM
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a reply to: eriktheawful


There always is that possibility that someone with a very dark and morbid sense of humor sets up some sort of Rube Goldberg machine to carry out their suicide, but other than fiction, I don't believe I've ever heard of anything like that.

You already warned me once tonight, are you baiting me?

I have heard of such a device. not going there till you swear this isn't entrapment.



posted on Dec, 26 2017 @ 10:24 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: intrptr

But it has been known to happen.
And once something happens it really doesn't matter how unlikely it was.
www.huffingtonpost.com...
www.npr.org...

Lightning has struck a few people twice too. Can't blame the CiA for that, though.



posted on Dec, 26 2017 @ 10:26 PM
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No seriously: I've never heard of someone committing suicide by rigging up some strange device that included like say a toaster, a waffle iron, etc, etc, etc, to fire a gun.

Fiction yah. Good story written by Larry Niven from his ARM series, were a couple of people had their face blasted off and was trying to figure out how it happened with any normal weapon, but turned out to be the effect of a prototype time dialation field.

Not sure what you think I'm trying to "entrap" you with.

ETA: and I've not warned anyone in this thread. Staff does not moderate threads we are participating in.
edit on 12/26/2017 by eriktheawful because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 26 2017 @ 10:31 PM
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No one mentioned a double barrel shotgun.
You can pull both triggers at once and definitely shoot yourself twice.



posted on Dec, 26 2017 @ 10:34 PM
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a reply to: eriktheawful

That wasn't a promise. You did warn me in another thread about 'manners'.

I'll let someone else bring it.



posted on Dec, 26 2017 @ 10:38 PM
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a reply to: intrptr

I have NO idea what you're talking about.

However, yah, good idea to drop it because discussing staff action in public is not a good idea (not to mention it's way off topic).


edit on 12/26/2017 by eriktheawful because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 26 2017 @ 10:40 PM
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originally posted by: charlyv
No one mentioned a double barrel shotgun.
You can pull both triggers at once and definitely shoot yourself twice.


Be a bit hard, unless you're quite limber, or the shotgun was sawed off, heh.

Certainly wouldn't want to be the one having to find that body.

However, there ARE working replicas of guns that had multi barrels that could fire more than one shot. But we're talking some rare old guns now. Not really main stream.







 
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