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DOJ has 'systemic' problem with handling of sexual harassment complaints

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posted on Dec, 26 2017 @ 07:27 PM
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This article says that inspector General Horowitz has been looking at how sexual complaints are being handled in the justice department.

He has found in many cases they have been lacking in any ways, often allowing the accused to have no punishment or real investigation.

The article lists several cases as examples but here is one.



In one instance, a top lawyer in the division reportedly groped the breasts and rear ends of two female trial attorneys, and also made sexual comments to them at an office. He had previously been disciplined and demoted for sending sexually-oriented emails to colleagues.

However, the lawyer wasn’t suspended nor did he face a drop in pay or grade, according to the Post. The inspector general’s report found that the case “presented potential criminal assault violations, yet we found no evidence in the case file that a referral was made to the [Inspector General] or any other law enforcement entity.”


thehill.com...

Now I have roundly criticized judging people guilty by in the court of public opinion based only on an accusation.

And I stand by that.

But imagine you were a woman assaulted by a guy, go through the proper channels, and see the justice department downplay it, and see the guy who assaulted you not only face no consequences, but then get awards and praise in the future.

This is not a partisan matter. This garbage needs to stop.

I hope inspector General Horowitz makes real changes and a serious fair system for dealing with these allegations can be implemented.




posted on Dec, 26 2017 @ 07:52 PM
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a reply to: Grambler


This is not a partisan matter.


Absolutely agree with that.

But I think this has a bit of an agenda attached to it...


Because in all honesty, I feel compelled to assert that the DOJ is but 1 of many thousands of sections of society that has a faltering programme to address sexual assault...

So I have to wonder why we are being guided towards the DOJ, and not all of the others that have the exact same problems.



I haven’t been clicking links in the last few months, so I may have missed anything in reference to my point...
Or maybe they’re assessing all of these branches of society and the DOJ just happens to be the first they have confirmed.

If either of those are the case, I’ll retract my initially negative position.



posted on Dec, 26 2017 @ 07:57 PM
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a reply to: Hazardous1408

Well the doj I believe is the agencies charged with investigating sexual cases involved with the government other than criminal cases.

So the inspector General is saying the agency responsible for investigating these matters is dropping the ball.

Of course other areas of society have problems, but that is not within the capacity of the inspector General to investigate.



posted on Dec, 26 2017 @ 08:00 PM
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a reply to: Hazardous1408




Because in all honesty, I feel compelled to assert that the DOJ is but 1 of many thousands of sections of society that has a faltering programme to address sexual assault...


You are correct.




So I have to wonder why we are being guided towards the DOJ, and not all of the others that have the exact same problems.


We have been. All over the news. Sexual Harassment is running rampant on it.



posted on Dec, 26 2017 @ 08:02 PM
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yet we found no evidence in the case file that a referral was made to the [Inspector General] or any other law enforcement entity.”

Even worse there is no forensic evidence, video, fingerprints DNA, eye witnesses, etc etc.
Hearsay is not probable cause to open a case.

Imagine if they investigated and tried every accusation for groping or touching inappropriately? Might as well open the jails and let out all the real criminals, the justice department is going to be busy chasing Allegations.


But imagine you were a woman assaulted by a guy, go through the proper channels, and see the justice department downplay it...

...because if there is no physical injury or forensics, its harder to prosecute so they don't open a case.



posted on Dec, 26 2017 @ 08:19 PM
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How do you know there were no witnesses etc?

All what you quoted says is that it was potentially criminal, but there was no evidence other agencies were informed.

It seems to me that the point is that the inspector General or other agencies should be informed of possible criminal acts.

Then they can be properly investigated.





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posted on Dec, 26 2017 @ 08:25 PM
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All what you quoted says is that it was potentially criminal, but there was no evidence other agencies were informed.

Thats one tell.


It seems to me that the point is that the inspector General or other agencies should be informed of possible criminal acts.

Then they can be properly investigated

Properly? They don't pursue a case without reasonable cause, resulting from an initial investigation. Like I said, as hard as it sounds to some, if theres not enough evidence, they don't pursed it further.

All incidents should be reported in order to build a case over time to warrant further investigation, blah blah...

if she didn't report it, she must not felt strongly enough, or been trying to manipulate the system.

Thats part of the problem and why the prosecutor doesn't pursue it. A jury will question why they didn't report it.



posted on Dec, 26 2017 @ 08:28 PM
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a reply to: Grambler

Ok thanks...

I based my argument on the assumption that all the separate departments had their own internal programme to deal with such things, rather than all done under the same group.

Seems pretty obvious that a department given the position to clean up all others would definitely have some problems.
In the sense that it seems like too much for just one group to handle.


Glad they’re looking into fixing it anyways.



posted on Dec, 26 2017 @ 08:28 PM
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probably just like the military was handling it back in the day, they weren't.



posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 12:06 AM
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originally posted by: Grambler
This article says that inspector General Horowitz has been looking at how sexual complaints are being handled in the justice department.

He has found in many cases they have been lacking in any ways, often allowing the accused to have no punishment or real investigation.

The article lists several cases as examples but here is one.



In one instance, a top lawyer in the division reportedly groped the breasts and rear ends of two female trial attorneys, and also made sexual comments to them at an office. He had previously been disciplined and demoted for sending sexually-oriented emails to colleagues.

However, the lawyer wasn’t suspended nor did he face a drop in pay or grade, according to the Post. The inspector general’s report found that the case “presented potential criminal assault violations, yet we found no evidence in the case file that a referral was made to the [Inspector General] or any other law enforcement entity.”


thehill.com...

Now I have roundly criticized judging people guilty by in the court of public opinion based only on an accusation.

And I stand by that.

But imagine you were a woman assaulted by a guy, go through the proper channels, and see the justice department downplay it, and see the guy who assaulted you not only face no consequences, but then get awards and praise in the future.

This is not a partisan matter. This garbage needs to stop.

I hope inspector General Horowitz makes real changes and a serious fair system for dealing with these allegations can be implemented.


How does anyone expect a good outcome when there are women out there who are jealous they are not being 'hit' on? They are projecting that and feed into it. So it feels like the Universe knows what's going on but is unable to render justice due to the constant stream of skewed conciousness; projections of 'stop I can't take this' or of 'pay attention to me, I'll play.' Skewed due to the rise of pornography in images, movies, live webcam and online sex clubs and groups and dating sites where people can actually meet up and play out fantasies in real life.

How is the Universe supposed to justly handle projections from individuals that are inconsistent in desire? If we have one woman being groped in the workplace who doesn't like that to be done to her in real life yet masterbates to a porn movie showing male and female lawyers cowboying it up for a quickie on the jury bench before the crowd comes in, what do you think that does in thought form or tulpa creation? Or say the female lawyer is a sexual saint, doesn't entertain those fantasies or doesn't project taboo sexual energy, (which is powerful, we've heard ) into the Universe, but her neighbor does. Make that 10 neighbors now, how about a state's worth of neighbors who do that. Who play that role or a similar role. How about an entire country's worth of people doing that? Secretly, fantasizing about that in their personal lives? What does that do to the other sexually normal population? With all the taboo and perverted projections being thrown around like that? Well we can begin to see it messes everything up. So much there are actually women who wear shapeless college graduate-like robes and burkas with just their eyeballs peeking out for Christ's sake.

The Universe is cranking hard trying to interpret misinformation and renders what it is able but at this point, with billions of projectors constantly streaming dysfunctional thoughts and actions, something is going to bust wide open or come to a screeching halt. We've got billions of human ptojectors, and millions upon millions of tv's and computer screens projecting all at the same time. Constantly. These are projections of CRUDE drama. It's not ART anymore. It's garbage. Garbage for projected garbage.
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posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 01:45 AM
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originally posted by: Grambler

But imagine you were a woman assaulted by a guy, go through the proper channels, and see the justice department downplay it, and see the guy who assaulted you not only face no consequences, but then get awards and praise in the future.


As long as "he" gets praise for his legal work, and not for the groping, I see no problem with this.

We have to learn to separate the good a person does, from the bad that same person does.

Praise the good, and condemn the bad.

The idea that we must condemn the good things, because of a few bad things that person does is simply wrong, in my view.

We are neither saints nor devils.

The claim of sexual harassment should cause a punishment specific to that act, and that act alone.

Pay a fine. But, keep your job if that job is unrelated to the act.

The idea that we fire everyone because of sexual harrassment is ridiculous.

Imagine if we fired everyone who got a parking ticket, speeding ticket, or other traffic violation.

They broke the law, they get fired.

We'd have no workforce left.



posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 02:35 AM
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Don't see much of that stuff on Law and Order!


Everyone likes to play grab ass. Just make sure it's consensual.





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