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and I said
Why should non-members get a free ride on the wages and benefit negotiated by members?
Why should poor people get a free ride on the backs of those who were successful?
originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: JohnnyCanuck
That's not my point. You saidand I said
Why should non-members get a free ride on the wages and benefit negotiated by members?
Why should poor people get a free ride on the backs of those who were successful?
Same argument, different people. And a different position from you. Pick a side, willya?
TheRedneck
originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: toysforadults
What about using unions and collectively bargaining? Is this moral?
What about corporations comparing their pay with each other with in a specific area/region and all of them setting the pay rate accordingly? Is that moral?
originally posted by: Skyfloating
Funny how people try to rationalize behavior that...in ANY other context...they'd see as being criminal.
originally posted by: TheRedneck
a reply to: JohnnyCanuck
Why should poor people get a free ride on the backs of those who were successful?
Amazing how you can argue both sides depending on how it affects you.
TheRedneck
originally posted by: Xenogears
As for minimum wage it was $21 once inflation adjusted. People deserve a living wage. Your employee cant be required to have 2 to 3 jobs and welfare to make ends meet.
originally posted by: Xtrozero
originally posted by: Xenogears
As for minimum wage it was $21 once inflation adjusted. People deserve a living wage. Your employee cant be required to have 2 to 3 jobs and welfare to make ends meet.
The problem is 21 would put a vast amount of small business out of business and we would see a linear amount of inflation as companies raise prices to offset the expense.
I guess we have two points here one is how much is a job worth and how much is one hour of a human worth. You don't pay someone 500 bucks to mow your lawn because the job is not worth 500 bucks, as example.
The question is why is someone working 3 jobs...how old are they and what are the skill sets they have that all they can get is minimum wage jobs?
originally posted by: Xenogears
Minimum wage was supposed to be living wage.
Is using government force to take from one to give to another the moral high ground?
Article I, Section 8, Clause 1: The Congress shall have Power to lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States
originally posted by: olaru12
originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: seasonal
What about using unions and collectively bargaining? Is this moral?
Nope not moral.
Because that PRIVILEGE comes at a price.
Monthly dues.
Collective interest versus personal interest.
I'll gladly pay my dues because my union provides healthcare, retirement, and a brotherhood that will provide support when the company flexes it's corporate muscle in intimidation of the working man.
Union proud, Union Strong
Don't let your ideology get in the way of your common sense...
originally posted by: Skyfloating
Moral:
"Dear Citizens, these are schools that need to be built, those are Bridges and Dams that need building. If each of you put some of your money in the pot, we can get it done. In fact, those of you that contribute, will not have to pay toll fees once the bridge is done or school fees once the school is done"
Profoundly Immoral and Illiberal Mafia-Thug-Mentality:
"You have no choice or say. We'll take your money and invest it in whatever we want, including War. Pay Tax or else".
Funny how people try to rationalize behavior that...in ANY other context...they'd see as being criminal.
originally posted by: Jusvistn
And the company I used to work for had their union negotiate the company right out of business. Fought for all these special benefits, more paid time off, higher wages, better retirement, etc..... With zero regard for what the "corporate muscle" could actually afford.
So they closed the doors and all the union workers went home with nothing.
originally posted by: Daughter2
originally posted by: Jusvistn
And the company I used to work for had their union negotiate the company right out of business. Fought for all these special benefits, more paid time off, higher wages, better retirement, etc..... With zero regard for what the "corporate muscle" could actually afford.
So they closed the doors and all the union workers went home with nothing.
Actually when unions were most powerful, the economy was great.
What happened is the unequal trade policies. Of course you can not compete if a company can go to another country and not be subject to things like child labor and overtime laws.
originally posted by: Jusvistn
originally posted by: Daughter2
originally posted by: Jusvistn
And the company I used to work for had their union negotiate the company right out of business. Fought for all these special benefits, more paid time off, higher wages, better retirement, etc..... With zero regard for what the "corporate muscle" could actually afford.
So they closed the doors and all the union workers went home with nothing.
Actually when unions were most powerful, the economy was great.
What happened is the unequal trade policies. Of course you can not compete if a company can go to another country and not be subject to things like child labor and overtime laws.
I didn't say my old company went to another country. They closed their doors. Not sure if that is what you were implying or not......
Unions, back in the day, were great for fighting for the rights and wages of the workers. Today's unions seem to be as greedy and unbalanced as those they claim to be fighting against.
Personally speaking, in my own experience, the best wages and fairest treatment I have had in the work force has always been in with non-union companies. But that is MY experience. I'm sure it's not true for everyone.