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originally posted by: ScepticScot
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
originally posted by: Eshel
noun 1. a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.
2. something intended or serving to convey a false impression; imposture
3. an inaccurate or false statement; a falsehood.
Hate to break it to ya bub, but your definition requiring "deliberate intent" is not the whole story. I guess if you cherry pick your definitions, it's easier to defend your position. But if you look at definition 2 & 3, I'm pretty sure that he "lies" very often.
On a technicality, I suppose you told a "lie of omission".
Lying by omission, also known as a continuing misrepresentation, occurs when an important fact is left out in order to foster a misconception. An omission is when a person tells most of the truth, but leaves out a few key facts that therefore completely change the story.
Hate to break it to you bub, but dictionaries define according to usage. They even record usage that is blatantly false.
So now even dictionaries are fake news...
Using a dictionary’s limited definition of a term as evidence that term cannot have another meaning, expanded meaning, or even conflicting meaning. This is a fallacy because dictionaries don’t reason; they simply are a reflection of an abbreviated version of the current accepted usage of a term, as determined by argumentation and eventual acceptance. In short, dictionaries tell you what a word meant, according to the authors, at the time of its writing, not what it meant before that time, after, or what it should mean.
originally posted by: babybunnies
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
originally posted by: babybunnies
This is a ridiculous post. It's par for the course for Donald Trump supporters to say "there's no evidence for this" when in fact, evidence is widespread.
OP claims "no evidence that donald trump actually lied" when in fact, evidence shows that he lies about 80% of the time.
Hell, he has such little credibility left with Americans that about 70% of Americans don't believe they're getting a tax cut.
Show me one piece of evidence.
Donald Trump said that he doesn't know any of the women who accused him of sexual assault. He was BUSINESS PARTNERS with one of them. And that's just ONE.
originally posted by: Hazardous1408
Given the criteria set by Les, I’m not sure there has ever been what we humans would all a “liar” in the history of the Universe...
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
originally posted by: ScepticScot
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
originally posted by: Eshel
noun 1. a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.
2. something intended or serving to convey a false impression; imposture
3. an inaccurate or false statement; a falsehood.
Hate to break it to ya bub, but your definition requiring "deliberate intent" is not the whole story. I guess if you cherry pick your definitions, it's easier to defend your position. But if you look at definition 2 & 3, I'm pretty sure that he "lies" very often.
On a technicality, I suppose you told a "lie of omission".
Lying by omission, also known as a continuing misrepresentation, occurs when an important fact is left out in order to foster a misconception. An omission is when a person tells most of the truth, but leaves out a few key facts that therefore completely change the story.
Hate to break it to you bub, but dictionaries define according to usage. They even record usage that is blatantly false.
So now even dictionaries are fake news...
Using a dictionary’s limited definition of a term as evidence that term cannot have another meaning, expanded meaning, or even conflicting meaning. This is a fallacy because dictionaries don’t reason; they simply are a reflection of an abbreviated version of the current accepted usage of a term, as determined by argumentation and eventual acceptance. In short, dictionaries tell you what a word meant, according to the authors, at the time of its writing, not what it meant before that time, after, or what it should mean.
Appeal to definition
originally posted by: ScepticScot
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
originally posted by: ScepticScot
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
originally posted by: Eshel
noun 1. a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.
2. something intended or serving to convey a false impression; imposture
3. an inaccurate or false statement; a falsehood.
Hate to break it to ya bub, but your definition requiring "deliberate intent" is not the whole story. I guess if you cherry pick your definitions, it's easier to defend your position. But if you look at definition 2 & 3, I'm pretty sure that he "lies" very often.
On a technicality, I suppose you told a "lie of omission".
Lying by omission, also known as a continuing misrepresentation, occurs when an important fact is left out in order to foster a misconception. An omission is when a person tells most of the truth, but leaves out a few key facts that therefore completely change the story.
Hate to break it to you bub, but dictionaries define according to usage. They even record usage that is blatantly false.
So now even dictionaries are fake news...
Using a dictionary’s limited definition of a term as evidence that term cannot have another meaning, expanded meaning, or even conflicting meaning. This is a fallacy because dictionaries don’t reason; they simply are a reflection of an abbreviated version of the current accepted usage of a term, as determined by argumentation and eventual acceptance. In short, dictionaries tell you what a word meant, according to the authors, at the time of its writing, not what it meant before that time, after, or what it should mean.
Appeal to definition
So by a current dictionary definition the current president is a liar.
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
originally posted by: ScepticScot
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
originally posted by: ScepticScot
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
originally posted by: Eshel
noun 1. a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.
2. something intended or serving to convey a false impression; imposture
3. an inaccurate or false statement; a falsehood.
Hate to break it to ya bub, but your definition requiring "deliberate intent" is not the whole story. I guess if you cherry pick your definitions, it's easier to defend your position. But if you look at definition 2 & 3, I'm pretty sure that he "lies" very often.
On a technicality, I suppose you told a "lie of omission".
Lying by omission, also known as a continuing misrepresentation, occurs when an important fact is left out in order to foster a misconception. An omission is when a person tells most of the truth, but leaves out a few key facts that therefore completely change the story.
Hate to break it to you bub, but dictionaries define according to usage. They even record usage that is blatantly false.
So now even dictionaries are fake news...
Using a dictionary’s limited definition of a term as evidence that term cannot have another meaning, expanded meaning, or even conflicting meaning. This is a fallacy because dictionaries don’t reason; they simply are a reflection of an abbreviated version of the current accepted usage of a term, as determined by argumentation and eventual acceptance. In short, dictionaries tell you what a word meant, according to the authors, at the time of its writing, not what it meant before that time, after, or what it should mean.
Appeal to definition
So by a current dictionary definition the current president is a liar.
No.
originally posted by: smurfy
originally posted by: Hazardous1408
Given the criteria set by Les, I’m not sure there has ever been what we humans would all a “liar” in the history of the Universe...
The criteria insisted upon is no different than that insisted upon by the flat-earthers, that they themselves premise, thereby making a circular argument....Ask Kelly-Anne about that and her Alternative 'facts'
When people need to write a dissertation on what is or what isn't a lie, then the whole caboodle is a lie per se.
Hmmm...people get paid for stuff like that!
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
No.
originally posted by: ScepticScot
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
originally posted by: ScepticScot
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
originally posted by: ScepticScot
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
originally posted by: Eshel
noun 1. a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.
2. something intended or serving to convey a false impression; imposture
3. an inaccurate or false statement; a falsehood.
Hate to break it to ya bub, but your definition requiring "deliberate intent" is not the whole story. I guess if you cherry pick your definitions, it's easier to defend your position. But if you look at definition 2 & 3, I'm pretty sure that he "lies" very often.
On a technicality, I suppose you told a "lie of omission".
Lying by omission, also known as a continuing misrepresentation, occurs when an important fact is left out in order to foster a misconception. An omission is when a person tells most of the truth, but leaves out a few key facts that therefore completely change the story.
Hate to break it to you bub, but dictionaries define according to usage. They even record usage that is blatantly false.
So now even dictionaries are fake news...
Using a dictionary’s limited definition of a term as evidence that term cannot have another meaning, expanded meaning, or even conflicting meaning. This is a fallacy because dictionaries don’t reason; they simply are a reflection of an abbreviated version of the current accepted usage of a term, as determined by argumentation and eventual acceptance. In short, dictionaries tell you what a word meant, according to the authors, at the time of its writing, not what it meant before that time, after, or what it should mean.
Appeal to definition
So by a current dictionary definition the current president is a liar.
No.
Convincing rebuttal.
In short, dictionaries tell you what a word meant, according to the authors, at the time of its writing, not what it meant before that time, after, or what it should mean.
delusional
[dih-loo-zhuh-nl]
adjective
1. having false or unrealistic beliefs or opinions: Senators who think they will get agreement on a comprehensive tax bill are delusional.
2. Psychiatry. maintaining fixed false beliefs even when confronted with facts, usually as a result of mental illness:
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
originally posted by: ScepticScot
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
originally posted by: ScepticScot
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
originally posted by: ScepticScot
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
originally posted by: Eshel
noun 1. a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.
2. something intended or serving to convey a false impression; imposture
3. an inaccurate or false statement; a falsehood.
Hate to break it to ya bub, but your definition requiring "deliberate intent" is not the whole story. I guess if you cherry pick your definitions, it's easier to defend your position. But if you look at definition 2 & 3, I'm pretty sure that he "lies" very often.
On a technicality, I suppose you told a "lie of omission".
Lying by omission, also known as a continuing misrepresentation, occurs when an important fact is left out in order to foster a misconception. An omission is when a person tells most of the truth, but leaves out a few key facts that therefore completely change the story.
Hate to break it to you bub, but dictionaries define according to usage. They even record usage that is blatantly false.
So now even dictionaries are fake news...
Using a dictionary’s limited definition of a term as evidence that term cannot have another meaning, expanded meaning, or even conflicting meaning. This is a fallacy because dictionaries don’t reason; they simply are a reflection of an abbreviated version of the current accepted usage of a term, as determined by argumentation and eventual acceptance. In short, dictionaries tell you what a word meant, according to the authors, at the time of its writing, not what it meant before that time, after, or what it should mean.
Appeal to definition
So by a current dictionary definition the current president is a liar.
No.
Convincing rebuttal.
The other dictionary definitions, and the definitions of scientific research and law, contradict the definition you’re using to formulate your nonsensical statement. A little better?
A child is not lying when he states the falsity that Santa delivers gifts at Christmas. He is not intending to deceive anyone. His claim, even though it is false, is made in good faith and innocently
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: muzzleflash
I was just picking them at random from the NYT piece that the OP linked. Each of the items has a link to fact checking. In this case:
Fact-Check: Trump Is Wrong About Guantánamo Detainees
According to the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, of the 714 former Guantánamo Bay detainees who were transferred to other countries by Jan. 15, 2017 — dating back to when the Bush administration opened the prison in Cuba in January 2002 — 121 are “confirmed” to have engaged in militant activity after their release.
However, the overwhelming majority of those 121 men, 113 of them, were transferred under President George W. Bush, not President Barack Obama.
Notably, about half of the men deemed recidivists are dead or in custody.
Is the child who declares Santa comes down the chimney lying?
originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: LesMisanthrope
A child is not lying when he states the falsity that Santa delivers gifts at Christmas. He is not intending to deceive anyone. His claim, even though it is false, is made in good faith and innocently
I think that may be the best comparison we have seen to date and you are absolutely correct.
Trump is not a liar. He is like an innocent, ignorant child that doesn't know any better.
originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: muzzleflash
I was just picking them at random from the NYT piece that the OP linked. Each of the items has a link to fact checking. In this case:
Fact-Check: Trump Is Wrong About Guantánamo Detainees
According to the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, of the 714 former Guantánamo Bay detainees who were transferred to other countries by Jan. 15, 2017 — dating back to when the Bush administration opened the prison in Cuba in January 2002 — 121 are “confirmed” to have engaged in militant activity after their release.
However, the overwhelming majority of those 121 men, 113 of them, were transferred under President George W. Bush, not President Barack Obama.
Notably, about half of the men deemed recidivists are dead or in custody.
originally posted by: Eshel
a reply to: LesMisanthrope
In short, dictionaries tell you what a word meant, according to the authors, at the time of its writing, not what it meant before that time, after, or what it should mean.
I know you live on that website. But I gotta tell you, it's just bulls**t. Every discussion we've had you claim "logical fallacy". It's trite and cliche.
Are you seriously going to sit there and tell us that dictionaries have changed the definition of the word "lie" ? Do you think all sources of the definition are incorrect?
Stanford
Cambridge
Merriam-Webster
Legal Dictionary
How about this one? Surely you can relate to it...
delusional
[dih-loo-zhuh-nl]
adjective
1. having false or unrealistic beliefs or opinions: Senators who think they will get agreement on a comprehensive tax bill are delusional.
2. Psychiatry. maintaining fixed false beliefs even when confronted with facts, usually as a result of mental illness:
originally posted by: testingtesting
a reply to: Eshel
Just proves Trumpa Lumpas don't care If Trump lies or not and they will give him a free pass even when he does.
It amazes me the lengths some will go to defend Trump it is getting creepy messiah like.