All Things Hip Hop/Rap Discussion Thread

originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: zosimov

I don't understand how anybody can listen to most of this music. The lyrics are so degrading to women.

Thats because the main scream news wats you to think that. Tupac especially loved women, was raised in a family of women, wrote this about women...

And since we all came from a woman
Got our name from a woman and our game from a woman
I wonder why we take from our women
Why we rape our women, do we hate our women?

AtoZlyrics

a reply to: intrptr

An absolute favorite of mine! I still know every word by heart.

a reply to: intrptr

Didn't tupac go to prison for sexually assaulting a fan?


"In her statement in State Supreme Court in Manhattan, the woman said that Mr. Shakur and the three friends "set upon me like animals." Since then she said she has received threatening phone calls, lives in constant fear, has suffered nightmares and, while Mr. Shakur "has been glorified by his peers and fans," she has been viewed as a villain."


www.nytimes.com...

originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: intrptr

Didn't tupac go to prison for sexually assaulting a fan?


"In her statement in State Supreme Court in Manhattan, the woman said that Mr. Shakur and the three friends "set upon me like animals." Since then she said she has received threatening phone calls, lives in constant fear, has suffered nightmares and, while Mr. Shakur "has been glorified by his peers and fans," she has been viewed as a villain."


www.nytimes.com...

He did but that is one of those sketchy moments that CT's believe was a set up as punishment for what basically amounted to "bucking the system". Anybody even remotely up to speed on music industry conspiracies has heard about "mansion" parties. Supposedly their is a soundbite or a quote from him making the claim that at some party Quincy Jones solicited him for sex, Pac was I believe dating his daughter at the time as well. Then in prison is where he was really exposed to conspiracy oriented subjects and it's when he was released that he really started kind of cryptically talking about that kind of stuff later adopting the persona "Mackavelli". It was that name change that would later help fuel the rumors about him faking his death.

a reply to: RainbowPhoenix

Great, interesting stuff here!

originally posted by: Bluntone22
a reply to: intrptr

Didn't tupac go to prison for sexually assaulting a fan?


"In her statement in State Supreme Court in Manhattan, the woman said that Mr. Shakur and the three friends "set upon me like animals." Since then she said she has received threatening phone calls, lives in constant fear, has suffered nightmares and, while Mr. Shakur "has been glorified by his peers and fans," she has been viewed as a villain."


www.nytimes.com...

Still Draggin the thread into the main stream swamp?

He got sentenced to prison for it, even though there was no DNA, no evidence and no testimony other than hers. The only evidence presented in the main stream media was quotes from her.

That sounds familiar, don't it?

Convicting Trump or Clinton on multiple counts is not happening, but Tupac does hard time in Rikers because of "hear-say" from one girl.

a reply to: zosimov

about the jewelry thing. i really dont think there is anything to that. not like a gold cross and rings are some super special # that nobody else has. maybe biggie was wearing it as a dig of sorts but as you say it wasnt tupacs #

as to dre 'stealing' or taking that sound.
probably but is it theft of property or is it sampling? thats kind of the basis for a lot of hip hop. sampling.

good thread and i will be back to contribute in a bit. i just have # to do.

golden age hip hop is the best but there is still good # out there.

have you listened to war porn industries? if not you should.
a lot of people clown cause it is everlast but this # is killer hip hop.

originally posted by: TinySickTears
a reply to: zosimov

about the jewelry thing. i really dont think there is anything to that. not like a gold cross and rings are some super special # that nobody else has. maybe biggie was wearing it as a dig of sorts but as you say it wasnt tupacs #

You know, I definitely tend to agree with you. I thought it was an interesting similarity, and the Quad Studio robbery is a fascinating subject that has come back up recently with several kind of mind blowing new theories, which is why I guess I decided to dig a tiny into that one and post it.

I don't think Biggie had anything to do with that robbery either. He seemed genuinely hurt that Pac would come out accusing him of that. (A slight dig though, as you mentioned? That is one thing to consider).

About samples... great question. Looking forward to other opinions as well. My husband and I were just listening to Redman's "Tha Goodness" today and looked up the sample (caravan)- it was almost identical.
There is something about that Above the Law song though- and Dre coming out with it like he was dropping something brand new (no remix, no credit) that I don't like. Not many producers get accused of stealing other people's stuff (as far as I know) but he has, and multiple times.
Why is that, maybe we can figure that out.



Oh yeah, looking forward to checking out Warporn (though I might have heard them on one of your threads a while back- have you posted them before?)
I have some stuff to do also, I'll let you know what I think later

a reply to: zosimov

caravan as in the duke ellington standard?

i have not listened to much redman but i will have to look that up

a reply to: TinySickTears

You know, funny that is how I recognized it at first but when I looked it up turned out the sample was exactly the same as this version by Buddy Merrill:

a reply to: zosimov

so he covered duke and redman covered him?
which means redman covered duke then right?

i just listened to da goodness

caravan fits it well
i like it

sorry to hijack but check out this cover or caravan by hiromi

Just a few of my all time favorites:















Might be ol' school, but all legendary...

I can't get behind none of today's crap....the above is HIP HOP. Rap and Hip Hop are two totally different genres. I'll stick to Hip Hop..

a reply to: EternalShadow

Special ed was the bomb.

It was that special time before gangster rap took over and mc's were just having fun.

I remember watching that video on yo mtv raps
With Dr dre and ed lover!

Also mad props on the Pete rock and cl smooth !

We used to bump that rolling through New haven in the beamer back in the day.



Respectfully,
~meathead

a reply to: TinySickTears

Hey just checked out Hiromi playing Caravan on Youtube and she is so good!
Thanks for that.

Glad you liked Redman. I really like his stuff. He's just really funny and from a real rough area (Newark NJ) but upbeat anyway. And real raunchy but that's just funny sometimes.

a reply to: EternalShadow

I agree with meathead in that you have some real great selections there! T.R.O.Y. is an all-time favorite for sure, but KRS Kane, Tribe, Gza, you got it covered quite nicely. Thanks for posting these!

originally posted by: Mike Stivic
a reply to: EternalShadow
It was that special time before gangster rap took over and mc's were just having fun.

These were great times for music- I'm sure the scene had some crazy great energy too.

The symphony,

A bunch of huge egos collaborating for the love of it...



Respectfully,
~meathead

a reply to: zosimov

As far as hip hop conspiracies , the holy grail has to be the gay mafia..

The rumors have been flying for two decades..

From eazy e accusing Dr dre to the mace/diddy affair..

Not to mention the rumors flying around def jam.

Don't get me started on the scuttlebutt surrounding usher.....

Sorry just trying to bring us back on topic..

Interestingly enough the article on Russel Simmons I was going to link has been scrubbed.

Respectfully,
~meathead

a reply to: Mike Stivic

Hey, I hadn't heard much about that aside from (I think) Cormega talking about some of the things he saw at crazy industry parties. (Also reference above to Q. Jones fits this subject). But I absolutely believe that the entertainment industries could have some sinister stuff going on- could be that in order to gain a certain level fame or power has to participate in things that could be used as blackmail or something later- to push an agenda (sex, drugs, violence, consumerism, apathy, distraction- all prevalent in pretty much all major entertainment or commercial products).

I did some looking around online and there isn't much to see. Crazy about that Cam'ron diss on Mase though, if that's the price of fame... ? I've come to really pity the rich (I mean grossly wealthy) and famous over the years.

Here's a good one, The Letter That Changed Hip Hop or The Secret Meeting That Changed Hip Hop. An anonymous letter in which the author claims to have been in the music industry in the 80's early 90's (called him/herself a "decision maker" for an established music company) talks about a meeting (1991) between unknown men and many known industry faces which changed the direction of hip hop. The letter hints that a mutually beneficial deal had been struck between the music and private prison industries, churn out and promote the music that promotes criminal behavior, meanwhile options to buy stock etc was extended. Here's an excerpt from the letter

As the months passed, rap music had definitely changed direction. I was never a fan of it but even I could tell the difference. Rap acts that talked about politics or harmless fun were quickly fading away as gangster rap started dominating the airwaves. Only a few months had passed since the meeting but I suspect that the ideas presented that day had been successfully implemented. It was as if the order has been given to all major label executives. The music was climbing the charts and most companies when more than happy to capitalize on it. Each one was churning out their very own gangster rap acts on an assembly line. Everyone bought into it, consumers included. Violence and drug use became a central theme in most rap music. I spoke to a few of my peers in the industry to get their opinions on the new trend but was told repeatedly that it was all about supply and demand. Sadly many of them even expressed that the music reinforced their prejudice of minorities.

www.hiphopisread.com...



If this is true (another long shot but hey we kind of know that information has been manipulated and fed to us through radio and tv news etc) then...

Wow.

Saigon also talks about this in one of his raps, saying he was told by the industry to write gangster and he said why would he do that? He'd lost people to that, why would he glorify it?