Its now politically incorrect to say Happy Holidays we need to put Santa back into Christmas

originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: dfnj2015

I'm not religious but shouldn't we be trying to put Jesus back into Christmas ?
Santa is a shill for big business.

Santa is a private, small business owner who makes all his toys himself and gives them away for free.

Jesus, being a carpenter himself, would approve.

I'd just like to be on note as being a soldier in the "war or christmas".

Us Yuletide followers will overcome and the whole world will bow at our mercy. BWHAHAHAHAHAHA.......

(wait, did I just give away the nefarious plans like a Bond villian)

a reply to: carewemust

A Canadian government website claims that global warming is forcing Santa Claus to relocate his toy-making village to the South Pole.

my sources tell me that the Canadians forced santa down on his return trip and he's being held as an illegal immigrant... waiting deportation to australia.... don't ask about the poor reindeer (RIP Rudolf) ....

everyone knows that santa and the reindeer can't fly unless they have an abundant supply of the special mushrooms that are only grown in the northern most part of the globe... so if santa is successfully deported, that will be the end of chris-mas, the christians will have won, and it will be Merry Christ Mass. They'll be no more Santa, no more pretty lights and decorations on the evergreens, no more stockings hung by the chimney....
and no more pretty mush....or I mean presents under the tree....
just a Christ Mass at you local church... because everything thing else about the chrismas holiday is pagan....

may those pretty presents bring you much happiness during this holiday season!!!
especially those living ones that traveled from afar to spend the days with you... and may all have a safe return to their homes...

a reply to: dfnj2015

I am really used to frowns, so if someone doesn't like Merry Christmas this or Happy Holidays, they can pack it.

I refuse to walk on eggshells when being nice.


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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: DBCowboy
Before we determine what is the appropriate holiday greeting, first we must determine what ideology Santa Claus embraces.

He has slave labor, only works one day a year and takes all the credit for it, uses animals for his work, keeps his wife at home, and goes into homes without the expressed permission of the residents.

National Socialist?

He does favor "red" apparel.

This is half-sarcasm and half-serious...

...But if people insist on exchanging gifts in a totally secular fashion during the holiday season without the trappings of the Christian tradition of giving gifts to symbolize the gifts given to baby Jesus by the wise men, couldn't that be considered cultural/religious appropriation?

I'm not a particularly religious person (although I was raised Christian), but it seems to me that secular/non Christians taking away Christians' right to freely display the symbols and sayings of their religious holiday -- while at the same time "appropriating" the gift giving traditions from Christians as part of their own secular celebration -- seems wrong.

a reply to: dfnj2015

Would probably make the Oligarchs happier to replace any reference with one to them. It could be Merry Consumeris or Happy Corporaday.

originally posted by: Soylent Green Is People
This is half-sarcasm and half-serious...

...But if people insist on exchanging gifts in a totally secular fashion during the holiday season without the trappings of the Christian tradition of giving gifts to symbolize the gifts given to baby Jesus by the wise men, couldn't that be considered cultural/religious appropriation?

I'm not a particularly religious person (although I was raised Christian), but it seems to me that taking away Christians' right to freely display the symbols and sayings of their religious holiday -- while at the same time "appropriating" the gift giving traditions from Christians as part of their own secular celebration -- seems wrong.

So they got you right where you want them. You were 'raised' Christian so you have been conditioned to crass consumerism as well. Think about it though, if they changed the gift giving day to some day in June, nobody would 'buy it'.

It has to be something deeply embedded in our psyche to trigger the 'consumer' response. Like ringing Pavlov's Bell, the embed of all these triggers begins in early conditioning, like flag worship and Nationalism, indoctrination stays with us , hopefully over your whole lifetime.

You just took the red pill.

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: Soylent Green Is People
This is half-sarcasm and half-serious...

...But if people insist on exchanging gifts in a totally secular fashion during the holiday season without the trappings of the Christian tradition of giving gifts to symbolize the gifts given to baby Jesus by the wise men, couldn't that be considered cultural/religious appropriation?

I'm not a particularly religious person (although I was raised Christian), but it seems to me that taking away Christians' right to freely display the symbols and sayings of their religious holiday -- while at the same time "appropriating" the gift giving traditions from Christians as part of their own secular celebration -- seems wrong.

So they got you right where you want them. You were 'raised' Christian so you have been conditioned to crass consumerism as well. Think about it though, if they changed the gift giving day to some day in June, nobody would 'buy it'.

Hence the reason for me feeling it is cultural/religious appropriation. Some people have appropriated parts of the religious holiday and turned it into a 100% secular thing -- a thing that they many of those people do not want associated with Christianity in any way. They want to exchange gifts like Christians, but want the Christian culture part of that gift giving eliminated from the process...

...i.e., cultural appropriation.

And when I said I was raised Christian but am now not-so-religious, that only means I'm more of an agnostic (not an atheist), and I still have no problem considering the tenants of the Christian religion under which I was raised. It's not as if I have denounced all this Christian; it's still a part of me, even though I have doubts about the existence of God.

originally posted by: seasonal
a reply to: dfnj2015

I am really used to frowns, so if someone doesn't like Merry Christmas this or Happy Holidays that, they can pack it.

I refuse to walk on eggshells when being nice.

So be nice the whole year, not just the 'Holy'-days.

See thru the veil. People justify being selfish all year because they are generous on the Holidays. Really its about buying and gifting but who cares, we are 'nice' for a day then go back to being selfish.

Kind of like how epode are 'nice' for a whole hour during church then go back to being jerks the rest of the week.

a reply to: intrptr

Everyone just needs to make fine exotic ethnic cuisine dishes, and share with whom they know all the time.

It lives up to the karma grade you speak of, while still pissing off the PC Police.

a reply to: Soylent Green Is People

But you include your upbringing when recognizing others rights to have a commercial christmas. Thats what the Corporations depend on, thats why they conjoined the two in our early upbringing.

Its not just Christmas, all of us are conditioned to ambition and success. We are goal oriented, getting educated to get a job to have a career, to earn a lot of money, to buy a house with a two car garage, and two cars...

a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Plenty of opportunity to be nice all year, instead of saving it up.

I never understood it. What about all that s** I did for you all year? None of that matters as much as one pretty ribbon, brightly wrapped box under a 'tree'?

a reply to: dfnj2015

christmas is not about the kids. thats just how the greedy corporate america has you fooled. it was about 1 kid, the birth of Jesus. i highly doubt he would like all the commercialization happening on his birthday celebration.

AMERICA CIRCA 2017

originally posted by: Soylent Green Is People
Hence the reason for me feeling it is cultural/religious appropriation. Some people have appropriated parts of the religious holiday and turned it into a 100% secular thing -- a thing that they many of those people do not want associated with Christianity in any way. They want to exchange gifts like Christians, but want the Christian culture part of that gift giving eliminated from the process...

...i.e., cultural appropriation.

well here's the thing... it's a federal holiday, thus it's one of the few times of years when nearly everyone in a family is off work at the same time and able to come together and celebrate.

if christians wanted it preserved as solely their own cultural celebration, it shouldn't be a federal holiday.

it's 100% a secular holiday for me. i can recognize that part of it has christian origins, and part of it is is appropriated itself from other winter holidays of the past. and there are christian sects that don't exchange gifts, as well.

we all need holidays to get us through the winter...

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Soylent Green Is People

But you include your upbringing when recognizing others rights to have a commercial christmas. Thats what the Corporations depend on, thats why they conjoined the two in our early upbringing.

I didn't say I recognize their right to have a commercial Christmas. The idea of "cultural appropriation" is almost always considered a negative, and I'm saying that borrowing the gift-giving portion of the holiday from Christians, and then taking the Christian meaning out of that holiday gift-giving, could be considered cultural appropriation.

originally posted by: Abysha
a reply to: dfnj2015

I wasn't able to say Merry Christmas before. Thank the good lord that Trump was victorious in the war on Christmas.

Last year, before Trump took office, I ran into a friend in a restaurant, and mouthed "Merry Christmas" to her.
Before I knew what hit me, men in Black Suits were everywhere! I was taken outside to a limousine and told in very certain terms "This is your first and final warning. DON'T say it again".

It was terrifying.

a reply to: Soylent Green Is People

Not necessarily, as Santa is also often referred to as Saint Nicholas, in reference to Saint Nicholas of Myra and Bari. Thus you would have a highly religious figure, who is revered in 2 major denominations of faith, one being Catholics and the other being the Orthodox church's.