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Gravity - a constant force - or fast frequency like electric AC sine wave?

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posted on Dec, 24 2017 @ 04:29 PM
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So I was studying AC sine waves and somehow I started thinking about gravity and wondering. If you grab a live AC wire, you would think that it is a constant electrical flow but in fact it is not, it has about 50-60 cycles per second of on/off or up/down but since it is so fast, it seem constant. Similar to looking at a TV screen image on pause, you are seeing the same image displayed at 30 times per second, though it seems like a static image.

I'm also wondering if gravity is a mean average of the mass of an area of multiple dimensions or if the force is an average of a positive and negative force, where when we feel gravity, it is a positive balance (the positive being higher than the negative)

I'm wondering if gravity may be the same as this, either a pulse of energy at the same level, like the image, or if it is a varying "charge" or force peaking up and down, with the average being what we feel, like the sine wave.

In either case there may be ways to manipulate the force where taking action in the points where the "image" is off or being refreshed, or as the sine wave is falling. At these points, the strength of gravity is less and movement could be much easier (in opposition of the gravitational force). So there would need to be something like a gravity engine that works on the inverse of the pulse rate of gravity, where no force is produced at the peak of the gravity sine wave and highest power at the lowest point (or off/refresh point in the "image" scenario) of the gravity sine wave where the energy would be most effective in movement against the force of gravity.

We've seen images of "UFO's" that seem to move impossibly fast and I can understand how they could do this if what I say above is true. At points in time (speaking in ms or ns), there may be periods where there is actually a force opposite of gravity (but being that the positive force is greater, we feel the average "balance" as that of the gravity of earth - but there may be an opposite force always at work but weaker than the "positive" force we feel). If we could somehow activate a motive power during this "opposite" force period, then movement may be EXTREMELY fast and we may not experience and G forces during this movement. It would be almost like teleportation. This period would be incredibly short and fast but I believe that with the current transistor technology not out of the realm of working inside.

I think the reason we have seen these "UFO's" is because we finally came up with switches (transistors) that can work within the time frame of the gravity "switch" speed, which you can see a parallel of the development of the transistor and the appearance of UFO's.




posted on Dec, 24 2017 @ 05:52 PM
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originally posted by: DigginFoTroof
I'm wondering if gravity may be the same as this, either a pulse of energy at the same level, like the image, or if it is a varying "charge" or force peaking up and down, with the average being what we feel, like the sine wave.
The average voltage of an AC voltage is zero, so if gravity was an average of positive and negative like that the average would also be zero.

Because of the way electromagnetism works the average voltage of alternating current isn't the most important parameter; what matters is how the electromagnetic fields change over time. So in order for this varying gravity idea to get traction, gravitation would need to have electromagnetic-like properties, which have never been observed.

edit on 20171224 by Arbitrageur because: clarification



posted on Dec, 24 2017 @ 06:09 PM
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a reply to: DigginFoTroof

star and flag for you, super interesting subject for me and really looking forward to idea and discussion on this subject. I do beleive there is a lot more to find and research on the force of gravity.



posted on Dec, 24 2017 @ 06:17 PM
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As a man who was electrocuted and died, to be brought back by the force of my body hitting a door jam...according to the ER Drs. I say no.



posted on Dec, 24 2017 @ 06:34 PM
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a reply to: DigginFoTroof
The only thing I know is that all of existence is composed of layers and waves. Learn to travel between the layers, and you will see the waves. You must apply the appropriate filters to see them through human eyes. When you die you will receive all the memories of every life and experience you have ever had, because you exist as energy. When you return to matter, you start over due to capacity limits.
You have lived millions of times before, and will live millions of times again. Do not fear the unknown, it will become known to you when you return to the natural state.

kekekeke



posted on Dec, 24 2017 @ 06:49 PM
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According to the news they haven't found gravitons yet at CERN but its an interesting question.
What if understanding the details of quantum gravity would enable a terrorist organization to produce a weapon of mass destruction?
People that knew the answer wouldn't be able to talk about it in that scenario.
edit on 24-12-2017 by Cauliflower because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 24 2017 @ 07:45 PM
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In college, I once passed my Physics Professor and asked: "What are
you studying in your lab, Sir?". He replied: "Gravity.". One of many
doing so in schools across the world. Yet it is elusive, I cannot
give an equation except using the universal constant , G, to
determine the pull exerted on a mass by a large body, say
a planet, which has a large amount of gravity.

One thing is apparent: A large mass possesses a gravitational pull
proportional to the mass and distance from it. Beyond a certain
smaller size, the gravitational
pull is negligible.

CERN and black holes also may generate and/or possess gravity.

a reply to: Cauliflower


edit on 24-12-2017 by ThatHappened because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 24 2017 @ 07:53 PM
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a reply to: ThatHappened

There are many differences between classic systems and quantum systems for example ballistic growth in momentum, is possible at a quantum resonance.

So what is gravity at the quantum level?



posted on Dec, 24 2017 @ 08:44 PM
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originally posted by: DigginFoTroof
So I was studying AC sine waves and somehow I started thinking about gravity and wondering. If you grab a live AC wire, you would think that it is a constant electrical flow but in fact it is not, it has about 50-60 cycles per second of on/off or up/down but since it is so fast, it seem constant. Similar to looking at a TV screen image on pause, you are seeing the same image displayed at 30 times per second, though it seems like a static image.

I'm also wondering if gravity is a mean average of the mass of an area of multiple dimensions or if the force is an average of a positive and negative force, where when we feel gravity, it is a positive balance (the positive being higher than the negative)

I'm wondering if gravity may be the same as this, either a pulse of energy at the same level, like the image, or if it is a varying "charge" or force peaking up and down, with the average being what we feel, like the sine wave.

In either case there may be ways to manipulate the force where taking action in the points where the "image" is off or being refreshed, or as the sine wave is falling. At these points, the strength of gravity is less and movement could be much easier (in opposition of the gravitational force). So there would need to be something like a gravity engine that works on the inverse of the pulse rate of gravity, where no force is produced at the peak of the gravity sine wave and highest power at the lowest point (or off/refresh point in the "image" scenario) of the gravity sine wave where the energy would be most effective in movement against the force of gravity.

We've seen images of "UFO's" that seem to move impossibly fast and I can understand how they could do this if what I say above is true. At points in time (speaking in ms or ns), there may be periods where there is actually a force opposite of gravity (but being that the positive force is greater, we feel the average "balance" as that of the gravity of earth - but there may be an opposite force always at work but weaker than the "positive" force we feel). If we could somehow activate a motive power during this "opposite" force period, then movement may be EXTREMELY fast and we may not experience and G forces during this movement. It would be almost like teleportation. This period would be incredibly short and fast but I believe that with the current transistor technology not out of the realm of working inside.

I think the reason we have seen these "UFO's" is because we finally came up with switches (transistors) that can work within the time frame of the gravity "switch" speed, which you can see a parallel of the development of the transistor and the appearance of UFO's.


Gravity, as realized under Relativity, is the result of the curvature of space-time.

Imagine two objects that start traveling along in parallel paths and at the same speed.

An observer on one object would not know they are moving and so would believe that the other object is also not moving.

But the combined masses of the objects mean that space-time between them becomes more compressed than the rest of space-time. This means that the the paths that were parallel, will be shorter on the side closer to the other object and therefore the paths go from linear to curves that will cause the two objects to move closer together.

From the observational frame of either object, it appears that the other object is attracted towards them.

This is what gravity is.



posted on Dec, 24 2017 @ 09:04 PM
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originally posted by: Arbitrageur

originally posted by: DigginFoTroof
I'm wondering if gravity may be the same as this, either a pulse of energy at the same level, like the image, or if it is a varying "charge" or force peaking up and down, with the average being what we feel, like the sine wave.
The average voltage of an AC voltage is zero, so if gravity was an average of positive and negative like that the average would also be zero.

Because of the way electromagnetism works the average voltage of alternating current isn't the most important parameter; what matters is how the electromagnetic fields change over time. So in order for this varying gravity idea to get traction, gravitation would need to have electromagnetic-like properties, which have never been observed.


I'm glad you said this. If it has the same "alignment" as AC sine wave, then yes, it would be zero. What I am suggesting is that there may be forces the same as the 2 sides of the AC sine wave but what may change is where the zero point is located or if there are other factors that factor into the equation which generate a "positive" gravitational force. Maybe mass or magnetism has an effect on where this "zero point" is located and by changing either this can be manipulated. I'd suggest that electricity could also potentially effect this point.

From here I'll call wherever gravity is measurable, felt or experiences as being "positive". I'm not sure what would be the term for negative gravity except maybe explosion or repulsion.

There are also different type of waves, such as square waves and stepped waves and they all act somewhat differently in electronics.



posted on Dec, 24 2017 @ 09:08 PM
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originally posted by: theatreboy
As a man who was electrocuted and died, to be brought back by the force of my body hitting a door jam...according to the ER Drs. I say no.


Well, I have no idea what your experience has to do with the idea of gravity. Could you explain a little more why you think this?



posted on Dec, 24 2017 @ 09:15 PM
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originally posted by: Cauliflower
According to the news they haven't found gravitons yet at CERN but its an interesting question.
What if understanding the details of quantum gravity would enable a terrorist organization to produce a weapon of mass destruction?
People that knew the answer wouldn't be able to talk about it in that scenario.


Only 1% of the mass of the proton or neutron comes from the energy of the individual quarks. The other 99% comes from the interaction with the gluon field and virtual pairs of

www.newscientist.com...

physics.stackexchange.com...

The Quark model follows various mathematical models, SU(3) - The Eightfold way

The physicists were looking at ways of optimizing the calculations used to simulate these interactions, using methods like the amplitudehedron. The funny thing was that once they found the shortest path between two states, the final amount of energy/mass/momentum exchanged matched that of a graviton.



posted on Dec, 24 2017 @ 09:31 PM
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Underneath it all, it seems magnetism is a child of, or different manifestation of what gravity is.
They both obey the inverse square law as far a effect or perceived influence.
You can magnetize something, but the only way you "Gravitize" something is to add mass to it.
Or... perhaps that last statement will be how we achieve time travel.



posted on Dec, 24 2017 @ 09:47 PM
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a reply to: DigginFoTroof

You keep calling it a "force", but it pulls matter together, so add that to the misunderstanding.

Look at what they call 'surface tension' on board ISS. Skip ahead to 1:50...



posted on Dec, 24 2017 @ 09:48 PM
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originally posted by: Arbitrageur

originally posted by: DigginFoTroof
I'm wondering if gravity may be the same as this, either a pulse of energy at the same level, like the image, or if it is a varying "charge" or force peaking up and down, with the average being what we feel, like the sine wave.
The average voltage of an AC voltage is zero, so if gravity was an average of positive and negative like that the average would also be zero.

Because of the way electromagnetism works the average voltage of alternating current isn't the most important parameter; what matters is how the electromagnetic fields change over time. So in order for this varying gravity idea to get traction, gravitation would need to have electromagnetic-like properties, which have never been observed.


The average voltage of a sine wave is 0.637 of the peak value. It is the same relationship with amperage. As far as power (wattage), .707 is the magic number due to reluctance, reactance and resistance.



posted on Dec, 24 2017 @ 10:05 PM
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originally posted by: charlyv
Underneath it all, it seems magnetism is a child of, or different manifestation of what gravity is.
They both obey the inverse square law as far a effect or perceived influence.
You can magnetize something, but the only way you "Gravitize" something is to add mass to it.
Or... perhaps that last statement will be how we achieve time travel.


Magnetism follows the inverse cubed law, and has two poles, each which repels or attracts, depending on the polarity of the two poles. Gravity follows the inverse square law and is an attractive force. My own belief is that this is related to spherical harmonics.

You can "de-gravitize" atomic nucleii by using fusion. Then the combined mass of the new atomic nucleus is less that the two original atomic nucleii. The mass is converted into energy.



posted on Dec, 24 2017 @ 10:11 PM
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Good thoughts, OP!

However, not original.

www.americanantigravity.com...



posted on Dec, 24 2017 @ 10:11 PM
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Study a little harder. 60,000 Hz. Not 60.

We abide in a microwave oven, custom tailored via a sealed valve. It measures every electron stream, even the ones you don’t know about. Without this valve, it would get sloppy. How would the ones who deserve punishment get their due if effects were bleeding over from house to house.....

Just ask the assholes who earn a quarter mill per year for laying down the parameters.
They’ll tell y’all about it. Or ask Tommy D. He stayed in for WEEKS, and blew out his back playing his guitar, so he could relay these facts.

Some call it dirty electricity. It is much more than dirty. It must die.

# 922



posted on Dec, 24 2017 @ 10:21 PM
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a reply to: stormcell

Thanks, that is more accurate. They just seem intricately related as to their influence on physical matter. Imagine being able to efficiently convert gravity to electromagnetic energy.!



posted on Dec, 24 2017 @ 11:12 PM
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a reply to: intrptr

A long time ago, I had a Prof. who specified that Isaac Newton originally described gravity, "as a force which acts as if at a distance". Most books leave out that very big "if". So then, Newton and Einstein were a lot closer together than is commonly thought. Or at least, that's what he lectured us on.


edit on 24-12-2017 by carpooler because: Prof's lecturing



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