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Do Atheist Still Believe in God?

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posted on Dec, 24 2017 @ 05:43 PM
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a reply to: randyvs

Here's an atheist Christmas song for you, randy:



I wouldn't want theism to go away...I really like Christmas.

It's sentimental, I know, but I just really like it.





posted on Dec, 24 2017 @ 05:43 PM
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originally posted by: yorkshirelad
a reply to: StallionDuck
Given the definition of atheist then the answer is NO.

A bigger question :

What is it about atheists that so terrifies non atheists resulting in post after post similar to this ?

Come on StallionDuck answer the question what is it about atheists that so terrifies you that you feel the need to post an "atheists are not atheists" post along with all the others by so many different folks here on ATS?



Go back and read my OP. ALL OF IT



posted on Dec, 24 2017 @ 05:44 PM
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originally posted by: Krahzeef_Ukhar
a reply to: randyvs

Atheists are just as wrong as theists.

Anyone who claims to know the answer doesn't understand the question.

How do I know this?
I don't.


I maybe wrong for saying this, but I really like that.
But I do know that could never be the right thing to say.



posted on Dec, 24 2017 @ 05:46 PM
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a reply to: StallionDuck

FTR, I did not read your OP as indicating you're a theist or an atheist. Still don't know where you stand and I don't care either way.

Merry Christmas and/or Happy Holidays!



edit on 12/24/2017 by MotherMayEye because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 24 2017 @ 05:48 PM
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a reply to: randyvs

It's kinda weird when you think about it. I knew someone recently that referred to his mother in some minor form of anger... "I wish she would just hurry up and die". 2 days later....

I've known of similar stories but almost always things said in anger. Coincidence? Perhaps but I tend to fear it's not and that's terrifying for me to even think about tempting the hand of God.



posted on Dec, 24 2017 @ 05:55 PM
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originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: Woodcarver




Your stated beliefs are on the extreme side of belief.


I can demonstrate with all logic and with perfectly moral rationale
and by examples you have to deny everyday, why it is your
denial that is the absolute extremism. And that is the core
of atheism;.

Oh no I don't want to look at it so I'll just pretend it doesn't
exist. Please make it go away! I do still have questions but
why God calls us children will never be one of them.
I have been asking you for years to prove your claims. You have yet to do so, but go ahead please.



posted on Dec, 24 2017 @ 05:55 PM
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originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: StallionDuck

FTR, I did not read your OP as indicating you re a theist or an atheist. Still don't know where you stand and I don't care either way.

Merry Christmas and/or Happy Holidays!


Same to you!!!!

I believe in God, though my faith waxes and wanes on a daily basis... Lots of anger, regrets, loves, fears, and so forth. I'm just like anyone else trying to find the answer I've had a lifetime of questions for but feeling never one moment closer. I don't look down on anyone who wants to find it their own way. One of my bestest of friends is Atheist, another used to be but is more or less turning towards believing in a moderate way and the 3rd believes but doesn't practice or talk about it or lets it interfere in his life. I'm sort of the same way but inwardly it affects my thoughts and actions.

I never push my beliefs and often enough people never even know my beliefs unless asked. I genuinely believe wrong is a wrong and people have an innate ability to know it for themselves no matter what they believe. I love and hate everyone equally
For me, belief is a very personal thing and I would have to have a great amount of trust in someone to speak to it openly and only if they want to talk about it, while I never begin the conversation. For you guys... it's different... Behind the screen and all but I'm open to all sides. Best argument that makes sense in my mind wins. Yes I'm a lil biased but that's me and how I was made. *shrugs* Shouldn't matter though.

A very Merry Christmas to you and yours!!



posted on Dec, 24 2017 @ 06:02 PM
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originally posted by: Krahzeef_Ukhar
a reply to: randyvs

Atheists are just as wrong as theists.

Anyone who claims to know the answer doesn't understand the question.

How do I know this?
I don't.
Are people who believe in magical dragons just as wrong as those who don’t?

This position makes no sense.

We don’t believe in your claims that gods exist.

Saying that we don’t believe in gods is all fine and well but it’s really your claims that we don’t believe. I’ll keep stating this until it starts making sense to you. You try to frame the point in such a way so that there is plausible deniability, but you are wrong. It is not gods we don’t believe in, it is your claim that we don’t accept.
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posted on Dec, 24 2017 @ 06:02 PM
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a reply to: MotherMayEye




You're not suggesting I should acknowledge a belief in that, too, are you? My belief in a god is about the same as my belief in that giant floating tennis shoe on the other side of the universe. Happy?


Quite right according to a predetermined definition of the
word evidence. That you will likely hide behind until you're
dead. God knows you're intelligent enough to have figured
it out by now. And I only know that because even my dumb
ass can see that atheism doesn't need the evidence of a
God to fail.



posted on Dec, 24 2017 @ 06:04 PM
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originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: MotherMayEye




You're not suggesting I should acknowledge a belief in that, too, are you? My belief in a god is about the same as my belief in that giant floating tennis shoe on the other side of the universe. Happy?


Quite right according to a predetermined definition of the
word evidence. That you will likely hide behind until you're
dead. God knows you're intelligent enough to have figured
it out by now. And I only know that because even my dumb
ass can see that atheism doesn't need the evidence of a
God to fail.

Randy doesn’t know what evidence means and he doesn’t care.



posted on Dec, 24 2017 @ 06:06 PM
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originally posted by: StallionDuck

originally posted by: MotherMayEye
a reply to: StallionDuck

FTR, I did not read your OP as indicating you re a theist or an atheist. Still don't know where you stand and I don't care either way.

Merry Christmas and/or Happy Holidays!


Same to you!!!!

I believe in God, though my faith waxes and wanes on a daily basis... Lots of anger, regrets, loves, fears, and so forth. I'm just like anyone else trying to find the answer I've had a lifetime of questions for but feeling never one moment closer. I don't look down on anyone who wants to find it their own way. One of my bestest of friends is Atheist, another used to be but is more or less turning towards believing in a moderate way and the 3rd believes but doesn't practice or talk about it or lets it interfere in his life. I'm sort of the same way but inwardly it affects my thoughts and actions.

I never push my beliefs and often enough people never even know my beliefs unless asked. I genuinely believe wrong is a wrong and people have an innate ability to know it for themselves no matter what they believe. I love and hate everyone equally
For me, belief is a very personal thing and I would have to have a great amount of trust in someone to speak to it openly and only if they want to talk about it, while I never begin the conversation. For you guys... it's different... Behind the screen and all but I'm open to all sides. Best argument that makes sense in my mind wins. Yes I'm a lil biased but that's me and how I was made. *shrugs* Shouldn't matter though.

A very Merry Christmas to you and yours!!
Can you list some reasons to accept the claim that gods exist? I mean this in all seriousness. Like some good reasons to think these stories are real?



posted on Dec, 24 2017 @ 06:11 PM
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originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: Krahzeef_Ukhar
a reply to: randyvs

Atheists are just as wrong as theists.

Anyone who claims to know the answer doesn't understand the question.

How do I know this?
I don't.
Are people who believe in magical dragons just as wrong as those who don’t?

This position makes no sense.

We don’t believe in your claims that gods exist.


To claim absolute truth on the existence or non existence of magical dragons is silly.

There is no proof that magical dragons exist.
There's also no proof that magical dragons don't exist.

Also, I made no claims of a belief in god.



posted on Dec, 24 2017 @ 06:16 PM
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originally posted by: Krahzeef_Ukhar

originally posted by: Woodcarver

originally posted by: Krahzeef_Ukhar
a reply to: randyvs

Atheists are just as wrong as theists.

Anyone who claims to know the answer doesn't understand the question.

How do I know this?
I don't.
Are people who believe in magical dragons just as wrong as those who don’t?

This position makes no sense.

We don’t believe in your claims that gods exist.


To claim absolute truth on the existence or non existence of magical dragons is silly.

There is no proof that magical dragons exist.
There's also no proof that magical dragons don't exist.

Also, I made no claims of a belief in god.


I think it is quite fair to say that magical dragons and plenty of other things do not exist. It is surely fair to say that without reason to accept these things, it stands that they do not exist. I’m sure that wouldn’t fly in a hypothetical philosophical debate, but this is real life and magic isn’t real. To claim otherwise, you would necessarily need to bring proof. It is reasonable to dismiss unreasonable claims until they can be proved otherwise.

i have said many times that it is not the gods i don’t believe in, but the claims that god exists. Which are real. There is quite a difference. Claims can be judged by the evidence used to make them. Do you believe in gods?
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posted on Dec, 24 2017 @ 06:33 PM
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I could refuse to believe in gravity like in the cartoons but it'll still apply to me. It's healthy to hold some doubt in your beliefs.



posted on Dec, 24 2017 @ 06:42 PM
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a reply to: Woodcarver

I don't believe in god or gods.

My opinion is worthless however.

It's reasonable to believe something when it is proven.
It's reasonable to disbelieve something when it's disproven.

Magical dragons haven't been proven or disproven.
I'm happy to make a faith statement that magical dragons do not exist.

It is a faith statement however.



posted on Dec, 24 2017 @ 06:43 PM
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originally posted by: Krahzeef_Ukhar
a reply to: Woodcarver

I don't believe in god or gods.

My opinion is worthless however.

It's reasonable to believe something when it is proven.
It's reasonable to disbelieve something when it's disproven.

Magical dragons haven't been proven or disproven.
I'm happy to make a faith statement that magical dragons do not exist.

It is a faith statement however.
Do you think that magic has not been disproven by our knowledge of physics and our understanding of how reactions occur?
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posted on Dec, 24 2017 @ 06:50 PM
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originally posted by: randyvs
a reply to: MotherMayEye




You're not suggesting I should acknowledge a belief in that, too, are you? My belief in a god is about the same as my belief in that giant floating tennis shoe on the other side of the universe. Happy?


Quite right according to a predetermined definition of the
word evidence. That you will likely hide behind until you're
dead. God knows you're intelligent enough to have figured
it out by now. And I only know that because even my dumb
ass can see that atheism doesn't need the evidence of a
God to fail.



I could not care less if it fails. I don't have to be right. I just have to be me.



posted on Dec, 24 2017 @ 06:54 PM
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a reply to: Woodcarver

No, I don't believe magic has been disproven.

I actually don't think magic can be disproven.

I also don't believe in magic.



posted on Dec, 24 2017 @ 06:57 PM
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originally posted by: Woodcarver

We don’t believe they are real, because we have no reason to think they are real. We know for a fact that they originated with fictional and exagerated stories.




I always use Johnny Appleseed.

One reason is he is recent enough, that the facts of John Chapman are accurately documented in real time.

You can compare actual facts against the myth. Shows just how "wild" truth can be stretched and bent in myth.






edit on 24-12-2017 by Annee because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 24 2017 @ 06:59 PM
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I've known of similar stories but almost always things said in anger. Coincidence? Perhaps but I tend to fear it's not and that's terrifying for me to even think about tempting the hand of God.


This is one of the examples I could refer to in one of Woodcarvers replys.
With proof scientific even tho it will get no regarsd what so ever to
closed minds eyes and ears.

Sound vibrates and I learned thru construction (vibrating concrete)
that vibration, could be the key to the universe. If we can first agree that
there even is a key. Sound vibrates, scientifically and absolutely with
out any doubt proven.

Return to the Bible

God as a God is of anyones definition of what a God should be! Is right
there firstly and right off the bat. Confirming what took these fools
all the time in the world to just recently figure out.Speaking things
into existence. By the power in his voice he vibrated everything
into existence. As atheism stupifies itself by claiming there is no
evidence and with ZERO knowledge and no curiousity at all for
what life even is.

It really gets a lotta laughs out of me. How can people so smart
and logical become immune to those gifts when it comes to
the most ultimately important question before each and
everyone of us? But believers are the ones who are brain
washed
Where is the logic in believing you know it all by claimming
you know something you yourself know damn well you don't.
Not to mention everyone around you alive with a think functional
brain knows it too. Sorry but that's a big deduction in merits
in regards to, well everything.

Atheism is just people in denial. There happy with it and that's
fine with me. They should just avoid threads I show up in.
No brag, just fact.



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