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Abbas rules out US peace plan after Jerusalem decision

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posted on Dec, 23 2017 @ 12:28 PM
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a reply to: pavil

What peace deal? There is no peace deal. Israel, namely Netanyhu, will not provide any peace deal. Meanwhile, Trump in his infinite stupidity decided Jerusalem will be Israel's capitol AND want to move the US embassy there. What do the Palestinians get? Nothing at all. Just Israel taking even more land that doesn't belong to them while occupying the Palestinians.

But yeah, it's Abbas fault....




posted on Dec, 23 2017 @ 12:31 PM
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a reply to: Grambler


Christians also view jersusalem as a holy city.

Were they too rioting and killing people because the U.S. is moving an embassy?


The only Christian organisation who ever held a firm stake in Jerusalem was the Roman Catholic Church...
The same people who all other Christian denominations declare as false Christians.

& they did a lot of killing while they were there.

“Oh but that’s ancient history.”...

Yeah, so was any claim to the land of Palestine by the Zionists, so what’s good for the goose is good for the gander, surely.



posted on Dec, 23 2017 @ 12:31 PM
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a reply to: Grambler


And also, if they are mad at Israel because they view Jerusalem as their capital, why do they only get enraged when the U.S. moves an embassy there?

(By moving an embassy there) defacto Official recognition of Jerusalem as the Jewish Capitol city, instead of divided into both, like Islam wants Israel and Palestine to be both officially recognized, as part of the long promised "two state solution".

People in the West don't even remember why Tel Aviv was made the Capitol of Israel, instead of Jerusalem.

All this time has elapsed, the two state solution is pretty much wiped from the publics memory, people forget what the peace process was even about, all they know about is someplace called Gaza and the West Bank, filled with Jihadi Terrorists...

Muslims haven't forgotten their land was invaded and occupied, or how they been slow squeezed out of their homeland ever since. Now that the uS drops the endless peace process and two state solution, all that officially remains is the Final Solution to the Palestinian Question.



posted on Dec, 23 2017 @ 12:33 PM
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a reply to: Hazardous1408

Killing people because an outside country is moving an embassy, or declaring that peace is now not possible, is ridiculous.

Any way you spin it.
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posted on Dec, 23 2017 @ 12:36 PM
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originally posted by: wdkirk
a reply to: intrptr

There are 1 billion Palestinians?

Or did you just make all Muslims in the world Palestinians?


LOL, Muslims hold Allah as the highest authority, not governments of men. When you discriminate against "Palestinians" you discriminate agains all of Islam, especially one of Islams Holy sites.



posted on Dec, 23 2017 @ 12:36 PM
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a reply to: pavil

I think every one should back off let the Palestinians and the Israelis fight it out. Let them decide once and for all whose it is.



posted on Dec, 23 2017 @ 12:37 PM
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a reply to: intrptr

Many charters of Islamic groups or countries call for the elimination of the state of israel.

These groups and countries do not want israel and Palestine to share jersusalem, they want Israel wiped out.

The U.S. bipartisanly voted to move the embassy there in the 90s and has bipartisanly renwed that decsision for years and recognised Jerusalem as Israel's capital.

The fact that the U.S. now moving the embassy is being used as an excuse to riot, kill, and declare peace is impossible shows that they were just looking for an excuse.



posted on Dec, 23 2017 @ 12:38 PM
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a reply to: JoshuaCox

Yep that decision. The one where previous cowards in office were not willing to follow through on what they wanted because they were too scared what people like Abbas would say. Meanwhile, whilst cowering under their wives skirts, Obama and Bush really really progressed the peace talks and the did such a super job of getting closer to a two state solution. All their great work has now been ruined. Shucks.



posted on Dec, 23 2017 @ 12:38 PM
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originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Grambler

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Muslims haven't forgotten their land was invaded and occupied, or how they been slow squeezed out of their homeland ever since.
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Hmmmm, like they didn't invade and occupy Jerusalem ? The final status of Jerusalem was explicitly left up to negotiations between the two parties involved.

We've had almost 60 years since Israel gained control for East Jerusalem. There has even been an Israeli offer of EJ back in a peace deal......still nothing.

I'm firmly convinced that even if Israel capitulated on EVER Palestinian demand, Abbas would still say no deal.

Israel should offer that just to see what the response is.




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posted on Dec, 23 2017 @ 12:40 PM
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originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: Hazardous1408

Killing people because an outside country is moving an embassy, or declaring that peace is now not possible, is ridiculous.

Any way you spin it.


The 'killing' is done on a mass scale by the IDF, with attack aircraft, bombs, artillery and tanks.

Comparing that to whatever 'piss and sugar bottle rockets' the Palestinians make is surely "Spin".
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posted on Dec, 23 2017 @ 12:40 PM
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originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: Hazardous1408

Killing people because an outside country is moving an embassy, or declaring that peace is now not possible, is ridiculous.

Any way you spin it.


It’s really telling when people make up scenarios to solidify their ignorance in the minds of others...

No one has been killed since the embassy decision was made.
Your strawman is a disgusting attempt at demonising opposition to the policy by linking it to murder, murder that hasn’t even occurred.

Oh, no sorry, people have been killed...
Gazan protestors.

Carry on.



posted on Dec, 23 2017 @ 12:42 PM
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originally posted by: luke1212
a reply to: pavil

I think every one should back off let the Palestinians and the Israelis fight it out. Let them decide once and for all whose it is.


I think Israel would like that too. Axes vs tanks. You'd have peace then. You would also no longer have Palestinians.



posted on Dec, 23 2017 @ 12:43 PM
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originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: pavil

What peace deal? There is no peace deal. Israel, namely Netanyhu, will not provide any peace deal. Meanwhile, Trump in his infinite stupidity decided Jerusalem will be Israel's capitol AND want to move the US embassy there. What do the Palestinians get? Nothing at all. Just Israel taking even more land that doesn't belong to them while occupying the Palestinians.

But yeah, it's Abbas fault....


The more you 'pro-Palestine' types post, the more ignorant those posts seem to become. It have been U.S. law since 1995 that Jerusalem was the capitol of Israel. Passed in Congress.

The fact that the three previous President all promised to enact that law and only Trump did should the signal that this unending gridlock is coming to an end.

Mess with Trump? He doubles down. Predictably, I might add, so the players now know this is coming to an end. One way or another.

It's about time, in my estimation.



posted on Dec, 23 2017 @ 12:43 PM
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a reply to: Hazardous1408

Rockets were launched as a result.

I suppose these were fun harmless rockets launched in the name of peace though.

And now it is being declared peace is impossible.

Not because Israel call Jerusalem it's capital.

Not because the U.S. has bombed many Islamic countries.

Nope that was all ok.

But the U.S. moving a building, now peace is impossible, riots must occur, and rockets must be fired.



posted on Dec, 23 2017 @ 12:45 PM
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a reply to: Grambler


Many charters of Islamic groups or countries call for the elimination of the state of israel.

Because "Israel" has been killing and oppressing their fellow "Muslims" since the Jews illegally occupied Palestine after WWII.



posted on Dec, 23 2017 @ 12:47 PM
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a reply to: pavil


Israel should offer that just to see what the response is.

They offer nothing but bulldozers and settlements.



posted on Dec, 23 2017 @ 12:49 PM
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originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: luke1212
a reply to: pavil

I think every one should back off let the Palestinians and the Israelis fight it out. Let them decide once and for all whose it is.


I think Israel would like that too. Axes vs tanks. You'd have peace then. You would also no longer have Palestinians.


That might be the only solution. Civilisations have died out in the past and will again. If Abbas wants to go down the route of no negotiation then the next step is war. A painful experience for the world, but nothing compared to what has happened in times past. In fact, a war and the end of Palestine would probably be less bloody than continuing this charade that Israel and Palestine are ever going to co-exist peacefully.
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posted on Dec, 23 2017 @ 12:49 PM
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a reply to: Grambler


Rockets were launched as a result.


Moving the goalposts, another fine Hasbara strategy.

Did you know that Hamas captured and tortured the people who fired those rockets?
You can find the information in Israeli media outlets.

What’s the next demonisation talking point?



posted on Dec, 23 2017 @ 12:50 PM
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originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: luke1212
a reply to: pavil

I think every one should back off let the Palestinians and the Israelis fight it out. Let them decide once and for all whose it is.


I think Israel would like that too. Axes vs tanks. You'd have peace then. You would also no longer have Palestinians.

How about the US just stop giving billions in aid to Israel every year? Or make it a fair fight, give that much to the "Gazans" too.
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posted on Dec, 23 2017 @ 01:28 PM
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a reply to: UKTruth

You know you're talking about the eradication of approx 3 million people, right? People.




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