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Abbas rules out US peace plan after Jerusalem decision

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posted on Dec, 24 2017 @ 05:49 PM
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a reply to: yuppa

That is like the Chinese immigrants conquering New York and then saying “ but they had a Chinatown?!?! “




posted on Dec, 24 2017 @ 05:53 PM
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a reply to: UKTruth

Considering all but 1 and 5 are TOTALLY subjective variables , I don’t see how...


Also the Jews were not a nation when they declared war I don’t think .

The ruler of the area agreed on allowing a Jewish community.. not a new soverign nation state within their boarders..



posted on Dec, 24 2017 @ 06:02 PM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: UKTruth

Considering all but 1 and 5 are TOTALLY subjective variables , I don’t see how...


Also the Jews were not a nation when they declared war I don’t think .

The ruler of the area agreed on allowing a Jewish community.. not a new soverign nation state within their boarders..





Don't disagree that they are subjective. But international law only provides broad strokes. Like most law you can argue your case.

The fact remains that Israel could make a great case for war against Palestine.
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posted on Dec, 24 2017 @ 06:05 PM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: Grambler

Umm isn’t that the justification for isreal existing in the first place?!!!

That SUPPOSEDLY their relatives were evicted a thousand years ago??



Completely unproductive. The fact remains it does exist and within it are millions of families, many of which were not even born in 1948. Just like you were not born when the US took hundreds of thousands of square acres from Mexico because they beat them in a war.

Having a discussion about whether Israel should even exist is completely pointless. It does.
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posted on Dec, 24 2017 @ 06:07 PM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: Grambler

Umm isn’t that the justification for isreal existing in the first place?!!!

That SUPPOSEDLY their relatives were evicted a thousand years ago??



The point is the creation of israel was almost 70 years ago.

That means the overwhelming amount of people alive in Israel and Palestine were not alive at its creation.

Are we now 70 years later to tell Israel it has no right to exist?

And given the history of the world and how almost every culture has attacked and taken land from others, how far back should we go with insisting land is given back?


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posted on Dec, 24 2017 @ 06:12 PM
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a reply to: JoshuaCox

No it would be more like this.

The British say they want the U.S. back because the U.S. took it from them by force.

But then native Americans say actually the British took the land from them, so they want it back.

But then ancestors from tribes of native Americans that were wiped out by the natives complaining about the British say that actually they were killed by those natives, and so they are the real ones entitled to the land..

And guess what? Once this second group of natives makes that claim, another group will come forward saying actually they had their land stolen by this second group of natives.

And so on.

Now this exact same discussion could occur in every country in the world.

So why should we only go back 70 years in Israel?
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posted on Dec, 24 2017 @ 07:00 PM
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a reply to: Grambler

exactly grambler. it boggles my mind they are going apecrap over something THAT HAPPENED ALMOST 40 YEARS AGO!
Israel did not move capitol this week nor last week they MADE IT THEIR CAPITOL IN 1980 THEIR LEGESLATION ,JUDICIAL AND PM ALL HAVE THEIR OFFICES AND BUILDINGS THERE.



posted on Dec, 24 2017 @ 07:55 PM
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originally posted by: proteus33
a reply to: Grambler

exactly grambler. it boggles my mind they are going apecrap over something THAT HAPPENED ALMOST 40 YEARS AGO!
Israel did not move capitol this week nor last week they MADE IT THEIR CAPITOL IN 1980 THEIR LEGESLATION ,JUDICIAL AND PM ALL HAVE THEIR OFFICES AND BUILDINGS THERE.


It's not hard to work out that their angst is aimed at Trump - I doubt any of them have ever given a second thought to Palestinians.



posted on Dec, 24 2017 @ 07:59 PM
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a reply to: UKTruth

It's all baed in cultural Marxism.

They view the world as oppressors vs oppressed.

The U.S. is an oppressor. Israel is an oppressor.

Therefore they are always wrong, and should give back land, etc.

Notice they never discuss other countries having to have increased diversity, or giving back land.

That's because those countries are all oppressed, and so their lack of diversity and conquering of nations was ok.



posted on Dec, 24 2017 @ 09:28 PM
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a reply to: UKTruth


Is that right - so the Mexico-American war was not a war?

You were there? Or just parroting some official record written by the victors?

lemee guess...



posted on Dec, 24 2017 @ 09:29 PM
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originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Grambler


I have criticized U.S. wars of aggression for years.

I wanted Ron Paul elected.


Or your kidding as usual.


My posting history backs this up.

Merry christmas, I sincerely hope you have a great holidays.

No, you don't.

More proof you say the opposite of what you mean.



posted on Dec, 24 2017 @ 09:41 PM
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originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Grambler


I have criticized U.S. wars of aggression for years.

I wanted Ron Paul elected.


Or your kidding as usual.


My posting history backs this up.

Merry christmas, I sincerely hope you have a great holidays.

No, you don't.

More proof you say the opposite of what you mean.


I in fact do.

We may have differences in opinions, but why would I wish you ill?

I hope you have a great holiday and enjoy family and friends.

I mean that with the up most sincerity.

Some of my best friends are far more anti Israeli than you, and although we vehemntly disagree on many things, I still love them.



posted on Dec, 24 2017 @ 10:09 PM
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originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Grambler


I have criticized U.S. wars of aggression for years.

I wanted Ron Paul elected.


Or your kidding as usual.


My posting history backs this up.

Merry christmas, I sincerely hope you have a great holidays.

No, you don't.

More proof you say the opposite of what you mean.


You need to think about your views just because people Donny think like you doesn't mean they are an enemy. We see this to often in politics.



posted on Dec, 24 2017 @ 11:34 PM
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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
a reply to: yuppa

That is like the Chinese immigrants conquering New York and then saying “ but they had a Chinatown?!?! “



if a people live there long enough their offspring become natives to that area. So toss out natives right?



posted on Dec, 24 2017 @ 11:41 PM
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originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: UKTruth

Victors call it war afterwards, hiding behind Genocide and crimes against humanity.


The north did it to the south as well but i seem to recall you thinking that was ok.

and its only a crime if its proven in court.



posted on Dec, 25 2017 @ 12:09 AM
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a reply to: pavil

Why would the French president give this any greadince and helping this guy voice such a anti American remark...

# the French, # the EU.

Its time for war



posted on Dec, 25 2017 @ 03:16 AM
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originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: UKTruth


Is that right - so the Mexico-American war was not a war?

You were there? Or just parroting some official record written by the victors?

lemee guess...


What? Good lord, your argument is so beaten down you have to resort to pretending the Mexican-American war never happened???
Incredible how far you Trump haters will go to stay in your entrenched positions.



posted on Dec, 25 2017 @ 07:26 AM
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originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: Grambler

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: Grambler


I have criticized U.S. wars of aggression for years.

I wanted Ron Paul elected.


Or your kidding as usual.


My posting history backs this up.

Merry christmas, I sincerely hope you have a great holidays.

No, you don't.

More proof you say the opposite of what you mean.


You need to think about your views just because people Donny think like you doesn't mean they are an enemy. We see this to often in politics.


What "People" ? Oh, the ones you agree with.



posted on Dec, 25 2017 @ 07:28 AM
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originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: UKTruth


Is that right - so the Mexico-American war was not a war?

You were there? Or just parroting some official record written by the victors?

lemee guess...


What? Good lord, your argument is so beaten down you have to resort to pretending the Mexican-American war never happened???
Incredible how far you Trump haters will go to stay in your entrenched positions.

Where did I say "Manifest Destiny" (what you call "war") never happened?



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