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originally posted by: Hazardous1408
originally posted by: thesaneone
a reply to: Hazardous1408
Seriously though, logically, according to you, what would I do that for? What is there to gain, exactly?
Simple, attention.
Huh?
I could get “attention” with a thread that isn’t to “start crap to make it look like I care”.
So that would be unnecessary if I wanted what you claim.
& even so, what would I gain from baiting people for attention?
Is there some sort of power or reward received from that?
Honestly, I’d have thought that we’ve interacted enough times for a long enough duration for you to already know that is not what I do, or why I’m here on ATS.
I may spend a large part of my day here but I haven’t got to the point where I’m that invested in it. Yet anyways.
You usually bring up good points in your threads even if I don't agree you still give me reason to think about those questions...
originally posted by: Hazardous1408
a reply to: amazing
We don't need 24 alphabet agencies or secret spy agencies. We don't need 750 military bases around the world.
That’s debatable in my opinion.
It’s easy to complain about the MIC & IntelCom...
I just think it’s a bit naive as well, because my view of Earth without them at this particular point in history paints a much scarier picture for our planet, than a world with them.
That doesn’t mean there’s isn’t some problems or dangerous rogue elements...
But those dangerous rogue elements would be a much bigger problem if we didn’t have the abundance of good guys who make up the military and IC.
So in the case of taxes for those programmes, I’d argue spend better, not less.
originally posted by: Hazardous1408
I could list a myriad of examples as to why I ask this question, ranging from healthcare, to education, to basically any other issue revolving around a beneficial use towards a more prosperous society, or even beneficial use in assistance towards individuals for whatever reason.
But the example I’m going to use is one I’d never have thought I’d hear...
The case of the refugee rape victims who were refused an abortion because it was “for the best”...
I mean, I get it folks, I think there is tonnes of things taxes could be used more frugally, or even shouldn’t be used for at all...
That’s applicable to everyone I think, we don’t always find common ground on our limits, but our common ground is that we do all have limits overall.
So back to the example...
I’m pretty shocked that people would REEEE about their tax money being spent to help rape victims... refugee or not...
It’s not like it’s going to become an epidemic.
Also I’m not quite sure of the figures involved, but I don’t think abortions even cost that much money... you may correct me on that if you have seen data saying different.
So what would possess someone to be so, I want to say selfish, but there is probably a better adjective eluding me, with their “precious tax money”?
Many, will probably fall back on their religious ideals, and explain they oppose all abortion no matter what...
While I find this to be a bit of a cop out, at least in regards to rape victims...
I am also confident that God wouldn’t hold it against you to help a rape victim in desperate need.
Some may disagree with that. However as someone who believes in a merciful God, it’ll be hard for you to convince me otherwise.
So... back to my original point...
Is there anything you put above your precious tax money?
I’m currently disheartened & a little sad at the idea of ruling a rape victim unworthy of the benefit of taxes.
Because if they can be ruled unworthy, pretty much everyone and anything can be.
To me, that’s a pretty miserable path for humanity to take.
Don’t write to be understood. Write in a way that you can’t be misunderstood.
Either way, I don’t think I misunderstood you. We’re selfish. I get it.
originally posted by: neo96
I could list a myriad of examples as to why I ask this question, ranging from healthcare, to education, to basically any other issue revolving around a beneficial use towards a more prosperous society, or even beneficial use in assistance towards individuals for whatever reason.
Yeah my money is important to me.
I didn't take the whole world to raise.
...theoretically everyone want's to wipe out terrorists with the exception of several countries.
Remember also that in the past we mainly had the CIA for external threats and the FBI for internal threats. More agencies means more cost, when two is all we really need.
That digression aside, some people see abortion as a moral quandry and don't want tax dollars spent on what they deem murder.
Thanks for the advice, never heard that phrase before. I’ll definitely work on that from now on.
Sorry you think I feel that way about you.
I’ve tried my best to describe who I was vexed at.
I’ll take this as a learning experience.
originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Hazardous1408
There are plenty of charities that help refugees.
originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: Hazardous1408
If you believe it is a human life then it must be treated as such. For example, it has a right to justice. And murdering for its provenance isnt justice
originally posted by: dug88
Personally I'd prefer my taxes going towards helping rape victims get abortions than towards, funding wars, paying politicians exorbitant salaries, black ops, paying for prisons, and a whole bunch of other #ty things my taxes actually go towards.
originally posted by: shooterbrody
originally posted by: Hazardous1408
I could list a myriad of examples as to why I ask this question, ranging from healthcare, to education, to basically any other issue revolving around a beneficial use towards a more prosperous society, or even beneficial use in assistance towards individuals for whatever reason.
But the example I’m going to use is one I’d never have thought I’d hear...
The case of the refugee rape victims who were refused an abortion because it was “for the best”...
I mean, I get it folks, I think there is tonnes of things taxes could be used more frugally, or even shouldn’t be used for at all...
That’s applicable to everyone I think, we don’t always find common ground on our limits, but our common ground is that we do all have limits overall.
So back to the example...
I’m pretty shocked that people would REEEE about their tax money being spent to help rape victims... refugee or not...
It’s not like it’s going to become an epidemic.
Also I’m not quite sure of the figures involved, but I don’t think abortions even cost that much money... you may correct me on that if you have seen data saying different.
So what would possess someone to be so, I want to say selfish, but there is probably a better adjective eluding me, with their “precious tax money”?
Many, will probably fall back on their religious ideals, and explain they oppose all abortion no matter what...
While I find this to be a bit of a cop out, at least in regards to rape victims...
I am also confident that God wouldn’t hold it against you to help a rape victim in desperate need.
Some may disagree with that. However as someone who believes in a merciful God, it’ll be hard for you to convince me otherwise.
So... back to my original point...
Is there anything you put above your precious tax money?
I’m currently disheartened & a little sad at the idea of ruling a rape victim unworthy of the benefit of taxes.
Because if they can be ruled unworthy, pretty much everyone and anything can be.
To me, that’s a pretty miserable path for humanity to take.
shouldnt one of those athiest churches have services for this?
or surely one of tnose satanist churches does right?
kind of like catholic services does?
oh they dont do that kind of work?
hmmm...thats interesting one would think they would put their money where their mouth is...