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The 20 TRILLION Dollar Secret

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posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 12:03 PM
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originally posted by: khnum
a reply to: MotherMayEye

20 trillion is the current us debt in $100 bills its shown on this video just how much that is




Thank you for sharing that video. Very cool visualization and mind blowing!




posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 09:17 PM
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a reply to: muzzleflash





So 1998 to 2016 is "8 years" ?
By my count it's 18 years.

No what I said was 21 trillion was every penny the government took in for the previous 8 years.
You can't build air craft carriers with IOU's.

You can't seriously believe that kind of money could be diverted and no one would talk.
POTUS can't get a BJ in secret.
The head of the CIA can't have an affair in secret.
But somehow 21 trillion spread over many administrations can disappear and no one talked.
Absurd.



posted on Dec, 27 2017 @ 11:03 PM
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originally posted by: samkent
You can't seriously believe that kind of money could be diverted and no one would talk.
POTUS can't get a BJ in secret.
The head of the CIA can't have an affair in secret.
But somehow 21 trillion spread over many administrations can disappear and no one talked.
Absurd.


It's not absurd. Your arguments are absurd.

Take, for example, the stimulus act in 2009. It was written so that whistleblowers to corrupt spending were not protected if they reported it.

If contractors overbilled or double-billed and a whistleblower reported it to their supervisor (or beyond)...they were vulnerable to firing. Only whistleblowers savvy enough to report to the IG or Congress were protected.

So, if a contractor charged the government $45 for a can of soda and someone in the contracted company reported it to their supervisor...they had zero protections and the contractor had no accountability and no compelling reason to report the overbilling.

Absurdity is the idea that trillions of our tax dollars could never be stolen.

They could and our government makes it easy.

Account for the money spent or spend no more.

Receipts and invoices for everything...this is not too much to ask. People working in the private sector have to account for spending or be held accountable.



posted on Dec, 28 2017 @ 06:37 AM
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a reply to: MotherMayEye

It's impossible to steal 21 trillion in secret.
It's impossible to spend 21 trillion in secret.
You are delusional.



posted on Dec, 28 2017 @ 07:50 AM
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originally posted by: samkent
a reply to: MotherMayEye

It's impossible to steal 21 trillion in secret.
It's impossible to spend 21 trillion in secret.
You are delusional.


You are making a claim that this $$$ is accounted for.

Please link us to the documents that show this accounting.

Thanks in advance for backing up your claim with evidence, if you ever find any.

And please refrain from insulting other members of the forum who you disagree with.



posted on Dec, 28 2017 @ 08:00 AM
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a reply to: samkent

Are all of these people (in this video) delusional too? I guess Rumsfeld is the most delusional of all because he thinks the task of keeping track of spending is so monumental it'll take outside help and Congressional assistance.



You do realize that you're essentially screaming that the emperor is wearing cloths when everyone else is shocked by his nakedness?



posted on Dec, 28 2017 @ 08:15 AM
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a reply to: muzzleflash the

So what if it is missing, stolen, lost.
What are you going to do about it now?
Just throw it in the deficit recycle bin.
Give rich political donors more money. Congress says that's the answer to all our problems.



posted on Dec, 28 2017 @ 08:46 AM
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a reply to: MOMof3

Well I do admit I like MotherMayEye's idea of "No taxation without proper accounting".

It will also serve as a great talking point to put our current ATS political drivel into an interesting context.



posted on Dec, 28 2017 @ 12:01 PM
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The entire national debt went missing? You can't seriously believe this do you? That would be almost a decade of taxes gone. And since I know we have never had a year with zero budget this is BS.

But I've seen these before and they are all ways wrong. Every department in the govt has a budget based off spending the previous year. Do you believe trillions just vanished?



posted on Dec, 28 2017 @ 12:56 PM
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a reply to: dragonridr




Do you believe trillions just vanished?

No These people believe some one stole it.
They believe someone could spend it without leaving a trail.
They believe some bank has it on deposit. (I hope they got a free toaster)



posted on Dec, 28 2017 @ 02:05 PM
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originally posted by: samkent
a reply to: dragonridr




Do you believe trillions just vanished?

No These people believe some one stole it.
They believe someone could spend it without leaving a trail.
They believe some bank has it on deposit. (I hope they got a free toaster)


Stop with your straw men arguments please.

I actually already reminded you in my OP that I listed various possibilities here (waste, black ops, fraud/theft). I even explicitly said "Such a high quantity of unaccountable transactions typically represents excessive waste and often even fraud, but are these agencies really just burning our money?".

'Typically represents' is an important part of that statement.
I even posed a question rather than making an absolutist claim.

Again one more time I'll ask you to SHOW US THAT "TRAIL" you claim exists.

No one mentioned any 'bank has it on deposit', and I'm not sure what you even mean by that.



posted on Dec, 28 2017 @ 04:32 PM
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I listed various possibilities here (waste, black ops, fraud/theft). I even explicitly said "Such a high quantity of unaccountable transactions typically represents excessive waste and often even fraud

And I said it's nothing more than accounting inconsistencies.
You keep suggesting it's something nefarious.



posted on Dec, 28 2017 @ 04:40 PM
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originally posted by: samkent
a reply to: muzzleflash




I listed various possibilities here (waste, black ops, fraud/theft). I even explicitly said "Such a high quantity of unaccountable transactions typically represents excessive waste and often even fraud

And I said it's nothing more than accounting inconsistencies.
You keep suggesting it's something nefarious.


First you said it was impossible, then you said there's a huge trail, now you're saying it's just an inconsistency.

My how your song changes. Hehe



posted on Dec, 28 2017 @ 04:40 PM
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'Typically represents' is an important part of that statement.
I even posed a question rather than making an absolutist claim.


But in your OP


Or is it all being funneled into the pockets of robber barons via the biggest money laundering scheme of all time? Maybe a mixture of all of these? This very well could be the Biggest Robbery of All Time! Think about that! And we're the suckers!

You are claiming something nefarious is going on.



posted on Dec, 28 2017 @ 04:47 PM
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originally posted by: samkent
And I said it's nothing more than accounting inconsistencies.
You keep suggesting it's something nefarious.


Why not account for innocent expenditures?

That's what government is mandated by law, regulation, and policy to do. So, it's "nefarious" if it has not been done according to the law, regulation, and policy.

If you expect me to believe that every unaccounted cent was spent wisely and as appropriated (without any investigation into where the money was spent)...dream on. Embezzlement of Government Funds is a crime because it happens.



posted on Dec, 28 2017 @ 07:03 PM
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a reply to: MotherMayEye




Why not account for innocent expenditures?

I agree when it's public money it would be nice to see where every penny goes.
But that's not realistic given the size of the different departments.
We do have the GAO. But it's not their job to account for each nail and screw.
Each department has their own accounting system.
Just like you have pocket money so do businesses.

The one think that irks me is cost over runs.
Somehow that seems to be acceptable to the government.



posted on Dec, 28 2017 @ 08:06 PM
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a reply to: muzzleflash

This is an excellent thread, very depressing but excellent. I like you have always been patriotic, but in the last few years this has been dieing at an alarming rate.. Honestly what can a hard working, tax raped, American slave do about any of it? They have their tentacles in every aspect of our/my life.

I know it's been said to death here but people will never care until their lives are directly affected. One day I would love to wake up and see a movement about holding government officials accountable about where my tax dollars actually go, I would def jump on that train.

Until that happens? Have a good new year I wish you all the best.



posted on Dec, 28 2017 @ 09:51 PM
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One day I would love to wake up and see a movement about holding government officials accountable about where my tax dollars actually go, I would def jump on that train.

Most of the money goes to Granny and Gramps.
Budget Pie Chart



posted on Dec, 30 2017 @ 07:23 AM
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originally posted by: samkent
a reply to: MotherMayEye

It's impossible to steal 21 trillion in secret.
It's impossible to spend 21 trillion in secret.
You are delusional.


You are extremely naïve. Smoke & Mirrors in accounting exercises is an ancient dark art, and it is not limited only to government. People have been using such tactics as long as there have been books to cook.



posted on Dec, 30 2017 @ 07:44 AM
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You mean something like this?


At the 1:00 mark, "cannot track 2.3 trillion dollars"

And then 9/11, and.......
edit on 30-12-2017 by Jusvistn because: (no reason given)




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