The Last Jedi the racial diversity and gender political empowered movie -spoilers.

I'm actually pretty indifferent about all this.

Whether or not they 'ruin Star Wars' is simply not my concern.

I'm focused on things happening right now in our galaxy.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

I think the leia stuff was just silly..

Cinamaticlly it looked ubber cheesy and cannon wise was left field as well.


And I really liked the rest of the movie..

I loved the unpredictability of it. I loved how all the fan theories were wrong..

I loved the POV between luke and Kylo concerning his initial turn..

I loved the Kylo had every advantage and rey is still better/equal dynamic..

a reply to: JoshuaCox

Agreed. I think the Leia scene is near unanimously being derided. I can only see how there is precedent for it in the Force; it was still done cheesy as #.

I loved how all the fan theories were wrong..

Hell yeah. Snoke being a jobber made my day!

The last Jedi wasn’t mainly about racial diversity, it was a Feminist Wet dream. Asian chick sacrifices herself at the beginning, the main protagonist is an overpowered Mary Sue, Princess Leia can fly through space like superman, the giant bullet proof star-trooper was female, the deputy war general was comically looking like she teaches gender studies. All respected leaders are women. And the whole point about Finn and Rose was to fill two things. 1.) Interracial relationship just for the sake of it and 2.) Girl saves boy, rather than boy saves girl. It was a complete gender role reversal and BOTH things were poorly executed. Every white male character is immature, narcissistic, irrational, or not to be trusted. And incredibly even Luke Skywalker isn’t spared. To be honest, neither is Finn...after-all he was supposed to be a coward.

Throw some animal rights abuses, Chewbacca becoming meat-eating conscious, war profiteering and rich people are evil and then it's easy to see why people call it out for it's SJW nonsense. And Rey having no identity? That just plays into the narrative that “Family does not matter”.

But that’s not why this movie is not a 7/8/9/10 etc. The execution of certain ideas was terrible, the pacing was off, character development was atrocious, and plot holes? There are about 15 or 20 plot holes that makes you wonder who exactly wrote this and who reviewed it before it went out. For what it’s worth I enjoyed it, despite it’s flaws. Probably because I'm not a big Star Wars fan and I didn't expect it to be great. It’s not as bad as what people say, but it’s definitely not as great as what the paid critics say.

The movie sucked...
More interested in appeasing people than telling the story.
Snoke had a back story.
Now he's just dead...
So now the Empire is run by an equivalent to a millennial with a temper problem?

Good job Disney!

originally posted by: Spacespider
So I have been to the cinema.. and I am still shaken.. and sad that so much potential have been tosted away.

So my favorite franchise have just be devoured by a great beast called Disney.

*Disney just wanted to kill off the rest of the "old gang" to make way for their new racial diversity and gender political correct teen group.

You thought hollywood existed to create entertainments for you.

But, hollywood exists to break down barriers of thought, and introduce new ideas to the masses, to get them to change and adopt new ways of thinking and living.

It's about "re-programming" the population for the coming future.

This film had so much potential.

The first scene with the bombing was great. The complaints about bombs "dropping in space," is nitpicky.

If they were in close enough orbit to a planet or if the ship had a considerable enough mass or perhaps a gravity field to give the crew gravity while on board was present than bombs dropping in space is no big deal.

*They had a great opportunity to write off Leia but chickened out in Mary Poppins fashion.

*The character assassination of Luke.

*Knights of Ren?

*Captain Phasma might as well have survived falling into a sarlac pit just to fall into another sarlac pit.

*No lightsaber duel. Lightsaber fight was ok but Star Wars was based on samurai, give me a duel.

*No Wilhelm scream. (It's the little things that count)

*Waste of an opportunity to see a droid vs. droid battle with BB-8 and his First Order counterpart. Seriously, BB-8 is the strongest character in this trilogy, just give him a lightsaber and be done with it.

*If Po, Finn nor Rose knew of Holdo's plan to evacuate the ship, how did DJ know and sell said plan for credits?

*Ackbar could've replaced Holdo and the sacrifice would've held more gravity for the series.

*Casino scene was pointless, unless giving a backstory to Rose, which was more than we got of Snoke.

*Waste of Snoke. Kylo Ren nor Hux can carry a film as the big bad. Two incompetent 20 something year old children.

*Put your shirt on senpai scene.

*If Luke had a plan to help the rebels escape, WHY DIDN'T HE TELL THEM?!

I'd rate the movies:
-ESB
-RotJ
-ANH
-RotS
-R1
-TFA
-TLJ
-AotC
-TPM

While Rogue One has the best Vader scene, I have it in the middle because I didn't care about any of the new characters other than K2SO. Hell, I don't even remember their names.

Let me write a Star Wars stand alone movie.
It'll be nothing but aliens and robots and therefore 100% subtitled, maximizing worldwide revenue and odds of fans editing it to their liking.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Me too

Now that I been watching it for the last hour.

Still haven't finished it.

Resistance.

It's been one long allegory of the last election.

The first order is Trump administration, and it takes a bunch of women(Clinton) to save the galaxy.




If I wasn't so GD bored I'd stop watching it.


Meh.

a reply to: Psilocyborg

Killing Snoke was to make Kylo the big bad.. that said you kinda need the villian to be stronger than the hero, and rey beat him twice, but he does have the whole empire behind him and rey has 30 people..

I also think ANH is over rated..

ESB made this franchise .. imho it’s the only truely great movie in the franchise. Everything else comes from just how cool the universe seems.

So Lukes dead and Rey is a nobody.

Reys parents were nobodies.

a reply to: neo96

I think rey being a nobody makes it WAY better..

If everyone is related to the same 8 people, it’s a pretty small friggin galaxy..

They need to separate from that one family.. maybe keep one around, but don’t make everyone from that family..

I love the dynamic of Rey being so bad @$$ That even with kylos bloodline, training and advantages of his family name.. some piece of gutter trash is still better..


I think rey being a force baby like anakin makes it all make sense.. anakin was unbelievably skilled in the prequels and Kylo is only 1/4 anakin..

a reply to: Spacespider

Jesus Christ...whatever happened to spoiler alerts?!

::shakes fist:: kids these days!

But yeah, what a changed world we live in, where Star Wars makes political statements.

(Which is the eyeroll emoji?)

While I'm sure its true to some degree, it reminds me of Neocons blasting episodes 1-3 because the fascists were clearly a jab at Neocons. It's a movie, enjoy the movie, don't snowflake out over the socio-political statements.

originally posted by: dogstar23
Jesus Christ...whatever happened to spoiler alerts?!

It's in the thread title.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

ITS FUNNY HOW WE ARE A FORUM FOR DISCUSSION AND HIDDEN TRUTH WHEN ALMOST EVERYONE IN THIS THREAD IS KNEE JERKING AND NOT SEEING THE BIGGER PICTURE. Snoke is still influencing kylo. luke is in part 9 and as a force ghost battle snoke.

This is why Star trek fans mock star wars fans. lack of thought. nothing in this film was accidental. LOOK DEEPER.

originally posted by: yuppa
ITS FUNNY HOW WE ARE A FORUM FOR DISCUSSION AND HIDDEN TRUTH WHEN ALMOST EVERYONE IN THIS THREAD IS KNEE JERKING AND NOT SEEING THE BIGGER PICTURE.

They're too busy inventing alleged social messages instead of watching and paying attention to the film.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: yuppa

ITS FUNNY HOW WE ARE A FORUM FOR DISCUSSION AND HIDDEN TRUTH WHEN ALMOST EVERYONE IN THIS THREAD IS KNEE JERKING AND NOT SEEING THE BIGGER PICTURE.

They're too busy inventing alleged social messages instead of watching and paying attention to the film.

DING DING DING!!! A WINRAR IS YOU.

originally posted by: AMPTAH

originally posted by: Spacespider
So I have been to the cinema.. and I am still shaken.. and sad that so much potential have been tosted away.

So my favorite franchise have just be devoured by a great beast called Disney.

*Disney just wanted to kill off the rest of the "old gang" to make way for their new racial diversity and gender political correct teen group.

You thought hollywood existed to create entertainments for you.

But, hollywood exists to break down barriers of thought, and introduce new ideas to the masses, to get them to change and adopt new ways of thinking and living.

It's about "re-programming" the population for the coming future.

Yes, Hollywood is a tool for the dark force to break down cultural mores longstanding and replace with whatever TPTB want to achieve their goal of a One World Order.... not surprisingly such terms are being thrown around.

a reply to: JoshuaCox

that was a red herring if i ever saw it.

a reply to: yuppa

Man.. that might be the only way to combat the modern eras fantheory speculation..

Throw out a red herring and let them focus on that instead of guessing where your really going..


The thing is ANY fiction writer with a big fan base, is haveing his end result compared to the fan theories of millions of people..


Obviously, some one somewhere is gonna do a better job.. it’s kinda math at that point imho.

1 head vs. millions..

What’s the mathematical probability the 1 head comes up with a better idea than the millions?!?!

0.000000005

Lol.

But if you can fake out the speculators to go down a path your not even on?!?!