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The Last Jedi the racial diversity and gender political empowered movie -spoilers.

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posted on Dec, 22 2017 @ 07:04 AM
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originally posted by: Spacespider
a reply to: Indigent

I disagree...
My dog could have made a better Star Wars movie
Why ??
Because its not political driven and takes that political goo and mix it into one of the most popular sci fi franchises, sprinkle it in there like it was the best thing ever..


This complaint confuses me. Star Wars has ALWAYS been political. Have you not seen the other movies? It's beyond obvious in the prequel trilogy with the barely hidden metaphors to Bush' Presidency, but even the original trilogy is obviously making political statements. Anti-fascism was the statement of those movies.

And regardless why is it that when movies add non-white characters suddenly it's "making things political"? Can't you just add diversity because that is a reflection of how reality actually looks like? Or do you prefer white washed reality? Frankly, I think that whining about diversity in movies is one of the DUMBEST things you can whine about.

ETA: Just found this link online:
Sorry Ted Cruz, Star Wars has always been political — and liberal

George Lucas has been pretty open about certain political influences on his space opera.

In an interview for the Chicago Tribune in 2015, Lucas stated explicitly that the movie "was really about the Vietnam War, and that was the period where Nixon was trying to run for a term, which got me to thinking historically about how do democracies get turned into dictatorships? Because the democracies aren’t overthrown; they’re given away.”

There it is. Black and white. Clear as crystal. Star Wars was about Nixon. Good day, sir.

Did you think that was too subtle? How about when, during an interview in "The Making of Star Wars: Return of the Jedi," Lucas, when asked if Palpatine had ever been a Jedi, replied, "No, he was a politician. Richard M. Nixon was his name. He subverted the senate and finally took over and became an imperial guy and he was really evil. But he pretended to be a really nice guy."

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posted on Dec, 22 2017 @ 07:19 AM
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originally posted by: Theprodicalson

originally posted by: Abysha
a reply to: Spacespider


Maybe the movie was just what it was, with people doing space things?


Yeah # and full of plot holes.

Full of plot holes? Sounds like a typical Star Wars movie to me, or would you care to explain to me how Luke managed to be near completely trained in the ways of a Jedi to the point he could proficiently wield a laser sword (something that should take YEARS at a minimum) at the same time it took Han and co to escape Hoth then get captured by Vader at Bespin?



posted on Dec, 22 2017 @ 07:21 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t


Luke blew up the most powerful weapon in the galaxy with the grand total of a few hours training by Ben.




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posted on Dec, 22 2017 @ 07:25 AM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Yeah and this can go on and on.

Why did Han and the rebels have to sneak onto that force field base in RotJ? Couldn't the rebel fleet have just bombed it from orbit while the Empire's fleet was on the other side of the planet?

Or how about explosions in space?

Parsecs as a unit of time?

Airplane styled fighters like the X-wing making airplane maneuvers in no atmosphere.


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posted on Dec, 22 2017 @ 07:28 AM
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originally posted by: 0bserver1
...the diversity of droids...


Diversity is bad.



posted on Dec, 22 2017 @ 07:32 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

Here's one for the people bitching about Snoke's death:


Kylo Ren: “I know what I have to do”

Snoke: “You think you can turn him. Pathetic Child. I cannot be betrayed. I cannot be beaten. I see his mind. I see his every intent. Yes. I see him turning the lightsaber to strike true. And now, foolish child, he ignites it and kills his true enemy.”


Snoke is not gone and he saw that moved telegraphed, it's all part of his plan. People were too blinded by their diversity rage to follow this super obvious piece of expository dialogue.





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posted on Dec, 22 2017 @ 07:32 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t

True let's say something positive about the last Jedi like ,at least they didn't call it the last starfighter



posted on Dec, 22 2017 @ 07:44 AM
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a reply to: 0bserver1

I actually liked it. Well I didn't NOT like it. Granted the Leia flying through space thing was a little much, but I CAN see how there is precedent within the force to pull a stunt off like that. It just seemed too unlikely that an untrained person even if she is force sensitive being able to do that. They should have used that opportunity to kill her off...

Where everyone is disappointed in Finn and Rose' adventure, I felt like it was a good choice to show that reckless plans don't always get results. It was clear that Leia was trying to teach Poe that lesson throughout the movie. If Poe succeeded with his coop then he wouldn't have the dose of humility he needed to grow as a character. True, Finn and Rose's contribution to the story was probably more negative than positive (what with them hiring a man who sells out the rebellion without a second thought upon capture making their situation much worse) but that's how these things usually go. The First Order has them outgunned, there NEEDS to be some sort of tension to show that the rebellion is in dire straights, and if the rebels always win their battles where does that tension come from?

Snoke and Rey's parent's non-relevance to the greater canon as a whole is also a good thing in my eyes. Many people complained about how so many events in the Galaxy surround the Skywalker family. That is just too surreal. Well the big build up with Rey was that her parents are nobodies. Yet everyone is mad that they didn't repeat the VERY thing that was complained about with the prequels.

Snoke being a nobody is just a fun twist. Perhaps I like it because it is trolling the fans who take the series way too seriously.

And anyone who complains about the Porgs being a cheap merchandising stunt are watching the wrong series. For one, the Star Wars series literally INVENTED the modern day movie merchandising tie-in era (seriously. look it up). But then the Porgs weren't even created for that reason. At least not originally. They actually started out as a solution to the film crew not being able to relocate all the puffins on the island because they were filming on a protected habitat.
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posted on Dec, 22 2017 @ 07:49 AM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

That's an interesting theory and since Disney is changing directors YET again for Episode IX that may actually happen seeing as how Rian Johnson outright reversed or blew up all the story cliffhangers that J.J. Abrams left him in Episode VII.



posted on Dec, 22 2017 @ 07:52 AM
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Or he and Johnson could have planned to stretch out the reveals until the final episode. Remember that JJ and Kasdan did the treatment for all three films.




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posted on Dec, 22 2017 @ 08:03 AM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Still just a theory either way its a waste of a character. Dropping bombs in space?

I don't care about diversity of the characters but the agenda is for sure obvious. The entire casino scene was a waste and lasted forever while the theme was anti capitalism and why did they save the animals and not the kids?

How did Finn and rose get back to the gates? Why didn't they get blown up they just stare at them. Wth did rose stop Finn? How did kylo not notice the blue light Saber he just destroyed?

How did poe not know that 2nd In command purple haired lady and why couldn't she just tell him her plans? And so much more at least jj Abram pandered to the audience and gave us what we wanted this director just said FU and your set up JJ



posted on Dec, 22 2017 @ 08:17 AM
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originally posted by: JDmOKI
Still just a theory either way its a waste of a character.


It's only a waste if it isn't followed up on and that pretty obvious dialogue shows, in my opinion, that it isn't over.


...while the theme was anti capitalism...


It appeared to be more anti-arms dealers to me.



posted on Dec, 22 2017 @ 08:19 AM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

I won't rule it out, but I feel like Rian did what he did to break away from the nostalgia lens that JJ Abrams setup.



posted on Dec, 22 2017 @ 08:23 AM
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a reply to: Krazysh0t


I'm just hoping the next film has a cast entirely composed of female aboriginal peoples.



posted on Dec, 22 2017 @ 08:31 AM
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a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Even if it wasn't anti capitalism the entire sub plot was a major fail as a plot and a mission. And with snoke I'm over his identity since I have to wait two years to find out. I dunno I wanted to like it and I did like it when I walked out but after I processed it I realized the lazy writing.

Casual fans probably really enjoyed it but fan boys like myself are disappointed.

But yea that evil white emo man kylo needs to be stopped. Kidding..... I think



posted on Dec, 22 2017 @ 09:01 AM
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a reply to: JDmOKI

Good for you. Nice to know you speak for what a real fan is....

In other words if anyone disagrees with my amateur analysis and lack of literary device understanding they are just bandwagon idiots....




posted on Dec, 22 2017 @ 09:06 AM
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originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: Krazysh0t


I'm just hoping the next film has a cast entirely composed of female aboriginal peoples.

And transgendered.



posted on Dec, 22 2017 @ 09:18 AM
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a reply to: luthier

Don't take it so personally it's just a movie and star wars fans are very particular.



posted on Dec, 22 2017 @ 09:18 AM
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I caught myself rolling my eyes at the casting, but I mean the Star Wars setting is tens of thousands of years old of star travel and trading, etc.
There were less non-human races this time around, and as large as it is, why are we only seeing humans with a sprinkling of other races?

The Empire and the First Order are openly human-focused, but the rebellion was always diverse.



posted on Dec, 22 2017 @ 09:21 AM
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a reply to: JDmOKI

Yep, and diverse......not all starwars fans have to think like you.

You personally did not like it. Which is your valid opinon. You just don't speak for what star wars fans are...I personally know several people in their 40's who went to see it with their kids and loved it.

Maybe they don't dress up for comic con but they are real fans.



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