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AntiGlobalists... I Seek Some Answers From You.

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posted on Dec, 21 2017 @ 08:17 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Admitted

There was a war fought back in the day over which level of governance should be more influential. It was called the Civil War.

There will be a war fought over whether or not it's proper to be governed by largely unelected and unaccountable bureaucrats off in some ivory tower dictating to you too. That's what the UN is and that's what it would remain. And any national government would fall by the wayside in power much like state governments do now.

There are far more dicatatorships and theocracies in this world than countries even pretending to have constitutional governance with strong protections for individual liberty, and even fewer of those actually do respect the individual favoring instead collectivism and collective rights.


OK. Fair enough. I want my government accountable too.

But where is this ivory tower? It doesn't exist. The U.N. is a retreat, a place for current elected officials to vacation. It's dead.

And you mention dictatorships and theocracies...but guess what? They are singular. They are one.

We've never been anything except divided.





posted on Dec, 21 2017 @ 08:20 PM
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a reply to: Hazardous1408

National Sovereignty Supercedes Greed to a True Patriot . Are you trying to be the Devil's Advocate here ? ......



posted on Dec, 21 2017 @ 08:23 PM
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I don't think we are capable of unification. I'm pessimistic. I mean imagine the happy unification of North Korea and the U.S.

Funny right?

That's why I say death. That's why i say it's so far off. But it is inevitable. We will get there or all die.



posted on Dec, 21 2017 @ 08:32 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Admitted

Bigger isn't new. It's just bigger.


This is going to sound mean but...

"Clever is stupid."

It's a one liner. Takes no thought and is likely parroted.

I would take no issue except I never said bigger. I said new.



posted on Dec, 21 2017 @ 09:00 PM
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a reply to: Admitted

Give Me Liberty , Or Give Me Your Death ! A Sentiment that Saved Today's Civilization IMO ......



posted on Dec, 21 2017 @ 09:04 PM
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originally posted by: Zanti Misfit
a reply to: Admitted

Give Me Liberty , Or Give Me Your Death ! A Sentiment that Saved Today's Civilization IMO ......


Again...man, it's a great sentiment...an awesome quote...but, saved what? Everyone is just complaining about how horrible things are.



posted on Dec, 21 2017 @ 09:07 PM
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a reply to: Hazardous1408

The problem is with Globalism is that it causes the layoff of many American workers without any concern for what happens afterwards by shutting manufacturing centers in the US and shipping them overseas.

Part of the reason why the LA riots happened in 1992 was because many of the factories in LA were shut down and transferred overseas laying off many African American and other minority workers.

Right now, some people in the Mid West and the South want to secede from the US. Many of them believed that the Union sold the country to Globalists after the lost their jobs as a result of the government disregarding the consequences.


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posted on Dec, 21 2017 @ 09:09 PM
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a reply to: Hazardous1408

national sovereignty protects national states from being monopolized by the globalists. Pretty simple concept to understand.



posted on Dec, 21 2017 @ 09:18 PM
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I'd start a new thread but I'm not so great at that...

I think the big question here is: Who could run a one-world government?

Could it be one person? I don't think so...I don't know how, but i think it's a great question and one that is certain in our future.



posted on Dec, 21 2017 @ 09:42 PM
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a reply to: Admitted

The only way a one world nation is acceptable is when Earth has colonies in other planets, that way if the government becomes totalitarian, people can have the option to flee and form a new government in the colonies.

Otherwise, it's a very bad idea.



posted on Dec, 21 2017 @ 09:46 PM
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originally posted by: starwarsisreal
a reply to: Admitted

The only way a one world nation is acceptable is when Earth has colonies in other planets, that way if the government becomes totalitarian, people can have the option to flee and form a new government in the colonies.

Otherwise, it's a very bad idea.


Yeah, it's a bad idea. People will die.

But think how far off we are from colonies on other planets. That's pie in the sky and we have some pretty horrible problems right now.

Too many people and we need a one unifying idea...also pie-in-the-sky i know...but, really, as we are it's just perpetual war.



posted on Dec, 21 2017 @ 10:40 PM
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originally posted by: Admitted

originally posted by: nwtrucker

originally posted by: Admitted
I've not been able to understand anti-globalism. We are a global, interconnected, planet. So many separated nations, different laws, beliefs, cultures...they are not sustainable.

A one-world government is inevitable.

A lot of people will die first though.

I'd like to see it happen. I'm tired of the squabbling.


A one-world govrenment is not inevitable.There will be fighting to prevent it. If a one-world government wins the fighting, the fighting wil change to full out terrorism/rebellion against a one-world government.

Likely neither you nor I would survive it anyways.

The squabbling will outlive both of us,


Sorry I missed this response earlier. Not ignoring you.

You're probably right in that the squabbling will outlive us. But if a one-world government does win out in the end...at least something will get done.

It's not ideal. I don't pretend it to be... but short of a large-scale annihilation of humanity - someone has to take control or we are all doomed.


I highly doubt it will happen in the foreseeable future, if at all. The problem isn't gov'ts or the number of them, it's people.

That is what makes up gov'ts. People. Until racial sanity is consistently reached, it won't happen, In fact, with that sanity gov't likely wouldn't been needed at all beyond getting together for infrastructure and the like.



posted on Dec, 22 2017 @ 01:08 AM
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a reply to: Hazardous1408
I am not an anti-globalist, as I honestly have not had an issue with globalism in a cultural sense. However, I believe we have every right to determine access to our markets on our terms. Its our damn borders and jurisdiction right? People will always do business here. The terms we set forth for that access will give us better flexibility in the types of money we allow into the country. This is referred as protectionist policies sometimes. However protectionist policies does not mean anti-globalist, and thusly I myself have never really claimed to be against it in principle.


But its our damn country right? So our 'effin terms
that benefit our peeps, ya dig?



posted on Dec, 22 2017 @ 02:07 AM
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So to my point...

So to my point... How do you anti-Globalists feel about foreign companies building businesses in America and creating a large amount of jobs for Americans? How do you feel about the Global influence America has, in regards to geopolitical affairs?

Two excellent questions.

Foreign companies building businesses in America or anywhere else, tend to get welfare off the local national governments in the form of tax exemptions, grants, subsidies etc.

Here is an example. In my country we gave the Packer family who own casinos all around the nation and some in other countries, a $4,000,000,000 gift in the form of a football stadium on their land. I read a few pages of the facilitating legislation and if there is an outgoing that is possible to pay on an asset, we taxpayers are going to pay it.

For as long as the football stadium is standing, according to the couple of pages of the lease agreement i read, we tax payers will even pay for the eventual deconstruction of the stadium and the remediation of the land.

Two issues emerge. One is the power of these corporations wield on national governments and the second is the corruption that results from the exercise of power. These two forms of power create political tyranny whereby the people of that country are rendered mere spectators to government actions and are not participants in the decision making process.

How do you anti-Globalists feel about foreign companies building businesses in America and creating a large amount of jobs for Americans

Yes they may set up business in our country for example and employ local labour.

If "The People" in country that claims to be democratic, own the government, then they face a critical question. This question is "Do we want to be a high skilled, high paid country or do we want to be a low skilled low paid country? It seems that many countries in the west in particular, are having the latter being forced on them.

Besides, the question about jobs is somewhat moot because when robots are built to the point they can exceed human ability to do particular actions, when they can exceed human capability, they will very quickly replace virtually all humans in "a large amount of jobs."

How do you feel about the Global influence America has

Firstly, if it was not America, it would be somebody else, that's the way of things.

Globalisation brings tyranny with it because globlisation inevitably means:

one universal milittree force
one set of global laws
one global justice (just us) system
one global heath (care for us) system
one global education system - for the masses that is.
one global currency
one global political system
one global religion
one global dress uniform, (note how all Muslims in Muslim only countries wear the same uniform.)
one global traffic management system
one global transport system
one global 'security' system
no limits on immigration and migration between continents
no individual countries. Countries will merge into one much larger regional places known as an economy only. eg the south asian economy.
no national boundaries
no national identity. All nations will end up being be bitz's, bitz's' this and bitzs' that (accept Israel as the have a very strong sense of national identity and national pride and will not be surrendering their sovereignty to anyone.

Perhaps yourself may be happy with this kind of arrangement but my concern is how do I and my family fit into such an arrangement"

Will I even exist at all as far the global government system is concerned. Will I and my family have any rights at all and if so how will my rights be recognised and enforced? Its hard enough to justice for ourselves now.

Will I and my family have a say in anything at all that affects me or will I simply be consigned to be a spectator to decison making by a dozen or people.

Will I cease to exist as an identifiable distinct individual human being whose personal sovereignty, individuality, identity and whose rights the state will recognise and respect?

Will I continue to be anyone at all in such a system?




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posted on Dec, 22 2017 @ 03:43 AM
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If you haven't noticed we are already globalized,Clinton took care of that with NAFTA,I see that the social engineering has taken effect,teaching the sheeple it's no use to fight,go ahead and turn yourself over and become a slave,your lazyiness is a result of your upbringing,what a self centered sissy attitude,I'll do anything you say just don't hurt me omg



posted on Dec, 22 2017 @ 06:17 AM
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originally posted by: Indigent
People don't want someone on the other side of the world that has never experienced their day to day reality dictating what is best for them, that's all.


The Federal Reserve does it all the time representing foreign interests.



posted on Dec, 22 2017 @ 06:18 AM
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a reply to: Oldtimer2

It really happened in 1913 with the Federal Reserve Act. You give Clinton way too much credit.



posted on Dec, 22 2017 @ 06:42 AM
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a reply to: Hazardous1408




I ask to understand if you are truly against Globalism, or are more influenced by a sense of Exceptionalism.



I'll take exceptionalism any day.

Besides, the world pretty much sucks now, how in hell is it gonna get better by making it the same suck all over?

Lowest common denominator. Globalists will never raise the level of every country.




posted on Dec, 22 2017 @ 10:09 AM
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a reply to: Perfectenemy


I just watched a few episodes of The Orville, lol

also from the show, the specie evolved fast and were able to co-exist with others because they left religion behind.



posted on Dec, 22 2017 @ 06:37 PM
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originally posted by: Admitted

originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Admitted

Bigger isn't new. It's just bigger.


This is going to sound mean but...

"Clever is stupid."

It's a one liner. Takes no thought and is likely parroted.

I would take no issue except I never said bigger. I said new.


Then define new because anything going global will likely only be a rehashing on one of the systems we already have in place. None of those is new, so all it would be is bigger.



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