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Five Reasons to Be Skeptical about that New York Times UFO Story

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posted on Dec, 21 2017 @ 02:31 AM
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In the current excitement about the recent events, I thought it could be good to show another point of view, coming from a totally external source, i-e non-UFO related.

This paper is written by Stephen Pope, Editor-in-Chief of Flying magazine (not related to Nick Pope
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Here are these five reasons, as expressed by the author:

1. The Pentagon didn’t release those UFO videos, an official connected to a Las Vegas company who resigned in October did.

2. The Pentagon UFO program’s prime contractor claims to possess mysterious metal alloys that exhibit mystical powers — but won’t show them to anyone.

3. One of the authors of the Times article wrote a book about UFOs and doesn’t even work for the paper.

4. In one of the videos, a Navy airman says “That's a [bleeping] drone.” Why are we doubting him?

5. There are plausible explanations for these videos and eyewitness accounts. Where is the rest of the evidence?

You can read the arguments for each chapter here.

It is my opinion, pending further developments, that one should be cautious about what's too spectacular, especially when there's absolutely no way to check by ourselves what's written other there.

In other words, the NY Times papers ask us to take their words for it. Where's the critical mind here? While I believe the eyewitness accounts to absolutely be genuine on one hand, there's currently no way to analyze the videos and to check the chain-of-custody of the events as we lack information on the other hand.

Also, just to be clear, we, in the IPACO team, do not reject any hypothesis, from the real unknown phenomenon to a hoax.

Therefore, the main words for our team is "wait and see".




posted on Dec, 21 2017 @ 03:00 AM
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After years of research I have concluded that their Is intelligent life out there and that it appears they are observing us .
So weather or not this particular video is authentic or just a Hoax it makes no difference to me .

Luis Elizondo seems to be genuine to me and when he said " we may not be alone " he just affirmed what I already knew and So many of us know .





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posted on Dec, 21 2017 @ 03:15 AM
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a reply to: elevenaugust

Great bit of research here. Well done.

I get highly irritated when so many people are so easily conned by manipulative MSM media. The UFO industry is probably a multi million dollar business by now; all the books, tv programmes, internet sites, subscriptions, advertising revenue demonstrate. ATS is a good example of this and so is the New York Times because they were able to rake in new punters from this silliness.

I don't like to see people duped and hood-winked so, especially not in our era where critical faculties are survival skills of a kind and there are so many important real life deficits in our world to sort out. Witnessing this zombie behavoir of blind acceptance just because people want to believe their fancies so much they will let anything buy them is very saddening for me. You see, it is very unhealthy socially all round. It does help nurture a society of gullible none discerning "yes" slaves because, as I pointed out in a thread a couple of days ago, if you let yourself be deceived by such deception UFO porn/spam then really anything can be fed to you as data on which to base your perception and thought processes. It is a dark head game they play on. I want to be shockingly blunt; you are being head-#ed.

I am not saying you must give up all theorising about UFOs and aliens, but you must use scientific methods of analysis of data. That way you will not let a lie and a deception into your psyches.

This is what TS Eliot says about the huan condition of needing to have these fanciful "distractions":

From his poems "The Four Quartets" - "The Dry Salvages"

"To communicate with Mars, converse with spirits,
To report the behaviour of the sea monster,
Describe the horoscope, haruspicate or scry,
Observe disease in signatures, evoke
Biography from the wrinkles of the palm
And tragedy from fingers; release omens
By sortilege, or tea leaves, riddle the inevitable
With playing cards, fiddle with pentagrams
Or barbituric acids, or dissect
The recurrent image into pre-conscious terrors-
To explore the womb, or tomb, or dreams; all these are usual
Pastimes and drugs, and features of the press:
And always will be, some of them especially
Whether on the shores of Asia, or in the Edgware Road,
Men's curiosity searches past and future
And clings to that dimension. But to apprehend
The point of intersection of the timeless
With time, is an occupation for the saint—
No occupation either, but something given
And taken, in a lifetime's death in love,
Ardour and selflessness and self-surrender.
For most of us, there is only the unattended
Moment, the moment in and out of time,
The distraction fit, lost in a shaft of sunlight,.."

I prescribe a thorough reading of the whole of "The Four Quartets". It will take many years to understand them, if ever fully. I have thirty plus years of TS Eliot and even reading them just now to ind that quote brought something new. He is not quite of this world, but in this world in terms of poetry.

Yes, those poems would armour you all with the power of discernment. It would be an upgrade to the next level,

from "Burnt Norton";

"My words echo
Thus, in your mind.
But to what purpose
Disturbing the dust on a bowl of rose-leaves
I do not know.
Other echoes
Inhabit the garden. Shall we follow?"

Skills of critical analysis must be your shield in this age. If you do not put on your armour you are going to be set adrigft in a world of delusion and illusion, pawn in any deceivers' games who wants to take something from you.

Think, therefore you will be!

I feel bad because I know a lot of ATS traffic is from UFO "business", but if we do not challenge then there will be nothing left that is any different to any "mad rag" spam site.

Quality is better than quantity. Advertisers and capitalists like it the other way round: Quantity is better than quality. That is the war I am fighting.


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posted on Dec, 21 2017 @ 03:21 AM
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So weather or not this particular video is authentic or just a Hoax it makes no difference to me .


See my point? For this poster reality and fancy make no difference to him. He does not care about such trifling matters as reality and illusion. He wants to believe and suspends all disbelief as it suits him. It is the new age dark age of information, without doubt post truth where logic, observable reality and science do not matter as long as one can maintain their all important illusion.

I actually believe it is a mdern psychiatric condition. There is a kind of denial attached to it. It is deception of the most basic form and a successful kind of programming by media into a belief system that does not require fact and evidence. If the mind can accept illusions like that then it is vulnerable to every other kind of illusion and delusion. Somebody somewhere knows this and they use it all the time on the masses as part of the wealth extraction process.

It is a sad thing to see humans so tricked, something I no longer can even find any amusement in, just a numb realization that primate humans in their masses have this manipulation friendly vulnerability. It is this combined with the manipulative nature of humans that has created the utter mess and carnage of our world through all of history.




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posted on Dec, 21 2017 @ 03:38 AM
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Here is the evidence worth analyzing

www.facebook.com...



posted on Dec, 21 2017 @ 03:42 AM
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a reply to: Revolution9

I'm trying to figure out who's accepting the reality we live in at this very moment reading your comments.

It sounds a bit desperate to me?

Although I agree that we need more classified video's and confirmed stories from governments as of the Rendlesham UFO case to get the feeling that for once the UFO research could be a real thing like other research as astronomy .
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posted on Dec, 21 2017 @ 04:24 AM
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a reply to: elevenaugust

Plausible explanation? Statements like this really irks me. I'm an air force brat and believe it's shameful, to discredit and doubt military pilots, on what they observed, on a perfect, "clear" day. I understand that we need to step back sometimes and take a deep breath, before concluding that a UFO sighting/footage is authentic. With all the hoaxes and CGI crap on YouTube, we need to be sceptical. But c'mon, these pilots are trained to think and react quickly in tense situations and possess acute situational awareness that increases their safety in flight. When one of them states, that the targeted object broke known laws of physics and that he thought it was not from this world, why wouldn't I believe him?

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posted on Dec, 21 2017 @ 04:28 AM
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This seems like a magician's misdirection. Let's keep our ears and eyes open to what TPTB are trying to distract us from

S+F



posted on Dec, 21 2017 @ 04:57 AM
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a reply to: Kalixi

I agree. Why is this material all of a sudden the holy grail of information? It has already been proven the report has been out there for awhile now. It was reported on ATS back in, what 2007.

I can think of many other compelling reports over the years that hold just as much if not more evidence of some type of phenomenon we don’t understand. Why is the media latching onto this one?



posted on Dec, 21 2017 @ 04:57 AM
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a reply to: elevenaugust

This story is a distraction. The MSM is controlled by the elite and shadow government. Why do you think they choose to bring up a ten year old video of ufo footage and air it.

Knew this was going to break and there is more distraction coming.

QAnon.



posted on Dec, 21 2017 @ 04:58 AM
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a reply to: shawmanfromny

Agreed they finally get chance to talk about it . And if you look at the expression on his face he barely believes that he gets the opportunity to talk about his experience.

We have to let to sink this one in it needs time to process this and it needs time to see how people in the world are dealing with this kind of phenomena.

I also know that there are people out there that have trouble believing that their religious background could be in jeopardy, and it's understandable from their point of view.

In time we start to get use to this phenomena and calm will come back if we can accept the possibility that there could be another form of life willing to contact us and maybe help to overcome things that happen or don't understand how it all works..

a reply to: purplemer

A distraction from what?

All I hear is that it's a distraction but nobody can really point out what kind of distraction?





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posted on Dec, 21 2017 @ 05:14 AM
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a reply to: 0bserver1

Well said.



posted on Dec, 21 2017 @ 05:39 AM
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Full disclosure 2018!



posted on Dec, 21 2017 @ 05:56 AM
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originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: elevenaugust
This story is a distraction. The MSM is controlled by the elite and shadow government. Why do you think they choose to bring up a ten year old video of ufo footage and air it.
Knew this was going to break and there is more distraction coming.


Distraction favors Trump. Isn't that a bit counter to the right wing narrative about the liberal media? It doesn't matter. Media bashing is just par for the course.

I think these stories are just being published because these companies that publish do so for one reason. And that reason is to make money. It is not about informing the public. It's only about making money. There is not elite shadow government controlling the media. Sometimes they crap they say gets good ratings from the left. Sometimes the crap they say gets good ratings from the right. It really doesn't matter what they say. It's all about making money.

So if you are on the right, the media appears to have a left wing bias because saying crap to get right wingers enraged gets good ratings. And if you are on the left, the media appears to be right wing. It's all BS.

Now, is the UFO stuff different in that it is real news and not fake news. That's an interesting question. Two huge stories in a few weeks. It makes you think. If you buy into the extraterrestrials are real then maybe they are the ones driving the stories leading up to full disclosure in 2018. The World needs a giant shift in consciousness to save us from ourselves. If the extraterrestrials want to save the 7.2 billion people crop they better get cracking.

"To serve man.....IT'S A COOKBOOK!!!"



posted on Dec, 21 2017 @ 06:17 AM
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I'll take the same view as Neil de Grasse Tyson, We don't know what the object is, he is clearly not impressed, however he did say we should investigate such phenomenon, NASA astronaut Mark Lee is of the same opinion.
However it's hard not to get excited.
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posted on Dec, 21 2017 @ 07:00 AM
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originally posted by: elevenaugust
4. In one of the videos, a Navy airman says “That's a [bleeping] drone.” Why are we doubting him?


If you believe in Occam's razor what is more plausible, extraterrestrials or an egg-shaped ducted-fan drone with no wings?

I think it was some kind of super high speed high G maneuverable done.

I did hear a very interesting theory on another ATS thread on this topic. Often the way power is consolidated in history is by using the Hegelian dialectic problem reaction solution tactic. You create a false flag attack, get the people scared out of their wits, and then consolidate power against all the people's best interests. So the theory posted in the other thread was the idea that the egg-shape drones would be used for a false flag extraterrestrial invasion attack. Then when the 7.2 billion people are scared out of their wits there would be a huge consolidation of power by a single world government. I think it's a cool theory.



posted on Dec, 21 2017 @ 07:06 AM
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a reply to: dfnj2015

Stop trying to define me by the left / right paradigm. Maybe its time you addressed this issue in yourself. Its not about left or right its about control and the same master controls both sides of that coin.

Wake up.



posted on Dec, 21 2017 @ 07:08 AM
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There is not elite shadow government controlling the media


You really need to do some research. Its not my job to teach you. As the adage goes you can bring a horse to water you cannot make it drink.

Its up to you if you want to challange your belief system.



posted on Dec, 21 2017 @ 07:20 AM
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a reply to: elevenaugust

Where's the critical mind when it comes to incidents involving credible military witnesses, inside military sources, multiple eyewitnesses, polygraph tests and yes, ground and material evidence? There will always be skeptics surrounding the UFO phenomenon, but our government has also denied the existence of Area 51, black flag projects and top secret programs that later were proven to be true.

You can't ignore the numerous documented credible cases surrounding UFO sightings in the U.S. and around the world. There are many credible military whistle blowers, pilots, and engineers who have come forth with first hand accounts of reverse engineering projects and UFO incidents. These all can't be hoaxes and misidentified objects. If you think military personnel couldn't identify parts of a weather balloon or mannequin from the Roswell Incident, then we're not giving much credit towards the intelligence of those officers who serve in our military.

The numerous abduction cases that have been witnessed and evidence of removed implants is another aspect that can't be ignored. If this was an earth based subject that had as many reports from witness sightings around the world, the credibility of witnesses wouldn't be questioned.



posted on Dec, 21 2017 @ 07:29 AM
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originally posted by: purplemer
a reply to: dfnj2015

Stop trying to define me by the left / right paradigm. Maybe its time you addressed this issue in yourself. Its not about left or right its about control and the same master controls both sides of that coin.

Wake up.


Uh, no. There is a big difference between laissez faire capitalism and Marx political theories. Left and right do have meaning just not in today's government which is ultra-right wing. If communism or socialism were really a problem in this country wealth inequality would not be at all-time highs.

It terms of "stop trying to define me" that would be you. I was just saying something about the news media and nothing to do with you. I can't help if you are that sensitive. People only take away from you what you let them.

The whole "wake up" metaphor is so over used it's practically meaningless. When I see someone use it I think what they are really saying is "you are foolish not to think the same way I do." The World is way too complicated to have only one point of view. I'm sure yours is very good.

I just don't believe in an elite shadow government controlling the media. My evidence is there are too many stories that run counter to the narrative. Unless the shadow government is insane, then you may be right. But as far as I can tell, the only heuristic that determines what gets shown to the public is based on ratings. The people running the media just want to make money and you are attaching meaning to their actions that is probably not there. But I am open for you to prove me wrong with evidence that is more substantial than just saying, "Wake up".



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