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There is literally mountains of evidence that the top earners pay a majority of the taxes in the USA.
originally posted by: burgerbuddy
originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: seasonal
The problem is we need spending cuts.
And no one wants to be the one that bites that bullet.
Look at how many dems are saying a tax cut will be the end of the world.
Can you imagine the hysterics if someone actually tried to restructure Medicare or social security?
But until then, our future generations will c9ntinue to be saddled for our over spending.
Yep, you are right, spending is out of control. Tax and spend dems, ever since I knew about govt.
There is more than enough money generated through taxes, to take care of just about everything everyone needs.
The govt should not be in the biz of wealth redistribution or be an unlimited charity.
People used to want to go to the USA to Make money.
originally posted by: StallionDuck
New tax plan... Awesome... I'll get just a little more back from my tax returns. Not so awesome when I realized what actually took place.
Here are the facts:
Current 2016 Taxes (Paid this year):
This is what happened when the HOUSE made THEIR changes:
Annnnd finally, this is what happened when the SENATE got their grubby little hands on it.
Lets compare them side by side so you can see what has me a bit pissed:
So you see... Trump threw some numbers out there that had me excited. Then the HOUSE made a few changes and I thought "hmm.. ok, not bad". Then those bas-tards in the SENATE got a hold of it and, well... You can see for yourself.
Look... I'm happy that I have to pay less taxes this year coming but it just tans my butt to no end on how this was done. This is the way "EYE" see it.
Trump throws us a bone. The House takes that bone and adds a little meat to it. Then the Senate takes it all away and gives us leftovers. Table scraps!!
And now the conspiracy side of me says.... It was all a sham and it was done exactly THIS way to make sure we would only get our scraps. It was done at the last minute to fool the regular folk into thinking we were getting more than what we had... much more. But, they bickered back and forth and waited till the last days of December where they KNEW something had to pass, so they passed CRAP!
I tallied some of the numbers for single payer tax deductions. This is how much extra you're going to save:
9525 @ 10% = 0
38700 @ 12% = 1161
82500 @ 22% = 2475
157500 @ 24% = 6300
200000 @ 32% = 2000
500000 @ 35% = 0?
1000000 @ 37% = 24000
- So why is it that the little guy (zero to 9.5K) gets nadda? So the guy on food stamps get's squat.
- The lower middle class get 1k.
- The middle class (myself) get's 2.4k.
- The upper middle gets OVER DOUBLE!!! Who the hell... why the hell?!?
- Then the lower upper gets 2k. Who cares. Like they need 2k?
- Then the upper gets squat. See previous statement.
- But..... the millionares get 24000 back! Ok, so they earned it but I SURE IN HELL can make better use of that money than they can. I can stimulate the economy far greater than they can/will with the same amount. Why? Because I'LL actually SPEND IT and I'll do it locally.
Fair is fair. I'll show the same numbers with the actual % changes. The numbers will make more sense.
9525 @ 10% = +0% change
38700 @ 12% = +3% change
82500 @ 22% = +3% change
157500 @ 24% = +4% change (WTF!! Why are these guys so important???)
200000 @ 32% = 1% change (They must have taken the extra 1% from this guy and tossed it to the guys below them)
500000 @ 35% = 0% ? (This lil piggy didn't get none?)
1000000 @ 37% = 2.4% change (This lil piggy cried we we we we we... all the way to the bank!)
So yeah... we've been duped. Looks like someone in the Senate (all of them) can't count and have no idea how to divy up the cookies. I know the US isn't known for the greatest mathematicians but CMON MAN!
originally posted by: ChrisM101
a reply to: StallionDuck
If the Guy on a food stamp income doesnt even pay in $1200, how can you give him money back.
This isnt a Charity, Its our own damn Money we've paid in, you shouldnt ever get more than you paid in.
No matter how many kids, deductions, etc.
Why is it that people cannot understand this?