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You know statist isn't a real thing don't you? It's just a made up snarl word used by zealot libertarians.
Yes some people can set up be utility companies. They are people with access to millions in capital.
Utilities are natural monopolies. The only way to have any real competition is via regulation.
I may have to change my preconceived notions about British men. I would have bet that at least 3 in 10 would have taken his shoes off and said, "Arrest me when I get out of the water, ya wanker."
Only with better vocabulary and a British accent.
I guess there were no rugby players in the crowd.
Could you direct me towards the statist party? Or politicians who describe themselves as statist? It maybe even a member of this site who calls themselves statist?
In fact where outside mises.org and other extreme libertarian sites does it even get used?
It's a snarl term used against any non absolute libertarian view.
originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: JoshuaCox
I don't believe that is the only two choices.
For one, you assume that business has no control over the government, which is incorrect.
Let's look at the banking sector.
Again, I am for meccessary regulations of business.
But thanks to trust in the government, banks were able to lobby government to nail them out after immoral risky gambles that should have caused them to go bankrupt.
This was only possible to over Reliance on trusting government.
With a limited government that properly enforced rules, these banks would have gone bankrupt, people may have been jailed, and new banks ran more responsibly would have taken their place.
Despite your claims, regulations and government Reliance has been rapidly increasing.
originally posted by: JoshuaCox
originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: JoshuaCox
I don't believe that is the only two choices.
For one, you assume that business has no control over the government, which is incorrect.
Let's look at the banking sector.
Again, I am for meccessary regulations of business.
But thanks to trust in the government, banks were able to lobby government to nail them out after immoral risky gambles that should have caused them to go bankrupt.
This was only possible to over Reliance on trusting government.
With a limited government that properly enforced rules, these banks would have gone bankrupt, people may have been jailed, and new banks ran more responsibly would have taken their place.
Despite your claims, regulations and government Reliance has been rapidly increasing.
That is my point..
Almost to a man, every time government has gone off the rails , has been because they were paid to by some big buisness intrest..
So deregulation is the last thing we usually need.. that is literally the antitisis of what is needed..
By not trusting the government. You are just cutting my out the middle man of corruption and giving the bad actors the keys..
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
The Statist Quo
Every policy debate nowadays lays bare a chilling tendency afflicting westerners. A vast subsection of citizens applaud, with increasing regularity, the intervention of the state into their public affairs, only to scream in horror whenever that power is given back to them. Whether it is healthcare, environment, economy, or welfare, more and more are people looking to their governments for protection, support and moral authority, where their families, communities and personal initiative once stood.
And that’s fine, at least for a little while. But when they dress up their statism as self-righteousness or compassion, when in fact they are simply delegating their own civic duties to someone else (and perpetuating a growing reliance on state forces while doing so) we are witness to a statist sleight of hand. While they continually advocate for state action against this or that issue, they have also learned to continually absolve themselves of any responsibility in taking any initiative themselves.
17-year old Jack Susianta broke his bedroom window and escaped amidst the fever of a drug-induced psychosis. His parents, fearing for his life, called the police. Once the police found him, Jack decided to run instead of comply. Desperate to escape and running from god-knows-what, the young man jumped into the river Lea in east London in a last attempt to elude capture. The murky water, a little over 6ft deep and and barely a current, would prove to be too much for the disturbed boy. The psychosis negated whatever swimming abilities he had and so began to struggle.
There were dozens of officers and members of the public around to help him, but the police, citing “health and safety”, refused to get in the water and pull the struggling man to safety. They resorted to throwing ropes and buoys to no avail—the boy was trapped in psychosis. Members of the public, who were at the time gathered to watch the commotion, were of no help. The police deterred them from entering the water, once again citing health and safety. As a result the bystanders chose to stand there, powerless, and watched as the boy took his last breath before finally drowning. He had been under the water for four minutes before police decided it was safe enough to get wet and pull him out.
State rules, regulations, protocols, prohibited the police from saving Jack. “Health and safety” would be the mantra they used to help them sleep at night. But what about the public? What led them to retreat into their self-imposed stasis, a view from which they could stand idly by and watch a young man die? Having delegated their duties as citizens and community members to the state, there was nothing, not even gasps of a drowning man, that would compel them into action.
If Jack’s tale reminds you of Weena in HG Wells’ The Time Machine, and the bystanders as the dissolute Eloi, you would hope that somewhere among them was a rugged Victorian time traveller who would spring into action to save him. But no. Whereas standing around to watch a man drown in relatively shallow water would have been unthinkable to a gentleman of Wells’ era, it is current fashion in our own day.
Observe the Net Neutrality debate in the United States as an example. The repeal of a piece of government regulation has sent entire populations into fits of despair, fearing every slippery slope from racism to censorship. But you never hear any of these vociferous protesters taking the initiative, starting their own ISP and offering everyone else what he himself demands from others. That would be too difficult. That would involve effort. He would rather take than provide. He would rather stifle than to innovate. At the same time he demands the state take initiative, he excuses himself from having to do so, all while shackling the following generations to more and more bureaucracy.
The state is the new father, the new church, the arbiter of law, ethics, and epistemology. Crimes aren’t illegal because they are wrong; crimes are wrong because they are illegal. We protect the environment through state regulation, not by our own actions and initiatives. We solve problems by demanding the state take care of it. We cannot nor will not protect ourselves; we’d rather wait for the state to arrive in order to do it for us. And this is the default position throughout the western world.
The statist quo is thus: to advocate for statism as a lobotomy, so that we may continue to live aloof of the world’s problems, infantilized and child-like.
LesMis
originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: LesMisanthrope
We don't have enough wealth inequality in this country. We should just listen to you.
originally posted by: dfnj2015
a reply to: LesMisanthrope
We don't have enough wealth inequality in this country. We should just listen to you.
originally posted by: LesMisanthrope
a reply to: ScepticScot
Could you direct me towards the statist party? Or politicians who describe themselves as statist? It maybe even a member of this site who calls themselves statist?
In fact where outside mises.org and other extreme libertarian sites does it even get used?
It's a snarl term used against any non absolute libertarian view.
I think the place I heard it was Ayn Rand.
Do you have a better word for someone who who advocates and believes that the state should have substantial centralized control over social and economic affairs? It sounds pretty accurate to me.
"Snarl word". You guys say that a lot, as if you all read the same rationalwiki page.