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originally posted by: ShutUpU
originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
I keep seeing this and I am starting to find it both frustrating and hugely entertaining. In politics, it is inevitable that everyone is going to basically make stuff up, the right do it, the left do it, those who occupy the middle ground do it, nobody is above this, everyone lies a little bit. However, I think what we are seeing with Trump supporters is reaching a new level, it’s like they have created their own propaganda and are the only ones who ironically believe it.
The right, the Trump supporters have coined this new medical condition known as “Trump Derangement Syndrome” to describe the mental state of anyone who does not worship the ground their orange god walks on. I have honestly read some people online who seem to belief that this is a genuine mental health condition. There are other misconceptions that the right like to push that are just untrue, they have created this silly idea that those who oppose Trump think “you”; the Trump supporter must be racist because you’re a straight white male who supports Trump. Again, utter nonsense, it’s just a mechanism for them attempting to occupy the moral high-ground, “look at those leftists trying to call us all racists”. The only problem with that is that it’s simply not true and the only ones who seem to believe it are the Trump supporters. They do the same with Clinton, they seem to have bought into this fallacy that anti-Trump equals pro-Hillary. Again, that is just right-wing propaganda that only the right believes.
Now speaking of Hillary, this is again another area where the right belief their own propaganda, don’t get me wrong I don’t like Clinton. With that said however, I have recently read some nonsense that the Clintons had killed over 150 aids and where running around abusing kids and raping everyone they could. Honestly if your belief all of the crap that the right has pumped out about Clinton then she is the anti-Christ. There are plenty of reasons to hate Hillary Clinton without having to make up all this kind of crap, if anything it only undermines your position on her when you start to believe the lies that your side made up to turn people against her.
This can be seen time and time again, Trump supporters believe their own propaganda, they seem to be the only ones who belief the BS that they are shovelling. I keep reading them harp on about how must the economy has been boosted under Trump and unemployment is down. Yet they never seem to address the fact that this has happened on the back of the Obama administration and in an economy, that is still working under largely Obama era economic policies. It is a lie to claim that it has been Trump who is responsible for this boost in the economy, again however it’s a lie that only the Trump supporters seem to belief.
Speaking of Obama, I still see lots of Trump supporters who belief this myth that they created that Obama is not American.
This goes on, and on, it can be seen in just about every thread, the right seems to believe their own propaganda. Nobody else does, the rest of us see it for what it is; lies and propaganda. Like I said this can be massively entertaining, yet it can also be really frustrating. They seem to be believing their own propaganda because it validates their political views, even if it is built on lies.
I live in the United States an we were attacked by Russia, including North Korea some years ago (well, it still is happening). Are you a RUSSIAN TROLL (the ones on ABC News?). If you do not live in the US, then shut up You are damning us to hell if you do not support Trump on fighting Russia. Russia is laughing at us. I do not want to be controlled by some #ed up person like Putin. So suck you own.
originally posted by: Scrubdog
originally posted by: pavil
a reply to: Scrubdog
Unfortunately then SD, you don't sound like most Democrats, certainly not anything we were hearing from Congress from the opposition. I'm sure a more bipartisan tax plan we can have, the best it is for America. I would suggest, that for "big deals" like taxes, healthcare, immigration, we pressure both sides to work with each other better. It's in ALL our interests.
Actually, I blog a lot on Daily Kos, about the most liberal (and intellectually sound) Dem site out there and I think you'd find that a majority of democratic voters are like me, looking for pragmatic solutions to problems while respecting each person's perspective. The left knew/knows that - though American companies are posting record profits, unemployment is almost at maximum employment and the stock market is at record highs (all of which was true when Obama left office and continues to be true today), many were left out of the "recovery" and something needed to be done - we knew that. Corporate taxes could've been a gateway into some real solutions for that next stuff needing to be done.
Our corporate tax rate itself was too high and we knew it. But, given the complexity of what can be written off, everyone knows that the exact rate was near meaningless.
I'd have lowered the rate and made further write offs dependent upon things that specifically decrease public spending. Do you pay your employees enough such that a full time worker - all of them - make above the poverty line? Then a big tax credit for you. Do you offer medical benefits to your employees? Keep going down. Does the effluent of the water you put back into the system exceed the CWA limits? Down down. Offer maternity leave? And on it goes. Anything a company does that decreases the amount of money spent out of the treasury should be returned to that company, encouraged to do more.
The problem is, for all too many, the public good isn't the end goal. The end goal is to help the people that make gigantic corporate campaign contributions, and that's a very small class of people, it's also the class of people with the most money to give away. When that's your core constituency, it shouldn't surprise that the benefits accrue largely to that subset of people.
Trump got some very bad advice. He could have put Democratic politicians in a vice. Many Dem voters vowed that their politicians had to give the "McConnel treatment" to Trump - never compromise on anything, ever, as McConnell did with Obama. Trump should've tested their resolve and broken it by proposing an infrastructure bill, first thing. It was needed, both sides could horse trade and get "something" for their voters, it would've helped us maintain competitivness with the world and it would've stimulated the economy. He never pushed for it, Congress never wrote one, and instead we paid far more for this measely stimulus that we'll get in this tax bill, which will also add tremendously to the deficit.
I don't know who was advising him. I won't go there. But it was a golden opportunity to split the Dems between the ideologues versus those of us who just want to see people's lives improve and don't care who gets credit. He would've also gotten an idea which Republicans would be there for him when needed, and which wouldn't have.
Thank you for the nice reply. I do like to think that we're all Americans. If I saw your car ahead of me slide off the road, I'd stop. I suspect you would, too. We ought to treat each other like that when conversing, IMO.
originally posted by: Outlier13
a reply to: soberbacchus
Again you cannot answer a simple question. Explain to me how a corporate tax rate cut is going to personally hurt you.
originally posted by: Outlier13
a reply to: soberbacchus
You have flip flopped on your position and you've tried to back track your way out of it once I exposed your BS.
Whatever law you practice clearly is not in high demand. You sound like a disgruntled corporate law attorney in a cubicle who peruses vendor contracts on a daily basis red lining and making changes / insertions you tell yourself justifies your career path.