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An Su-57 Update From...the Russians

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posted on Dec, 18 2017 @ 11:08 AM
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The Russians placed out another press release on the Su-57. This article stated not a lot of new news, to be honest, but it did state the Su-57 would start "serial production" this next year in the far east. Likewise, it stated the 12 Su-57s to be delivered in 2019 are "preproduction."

I find both of these statements to be interesting. Serial production I presume to mean they are starting to actually build them on an assembly line. That would mean the current Su-57s are all handcrafted prototypes, none are examples of the final bird. It also means the quirks and kinks of the assembly line have yet to be seen or even possibly addressed.

That the next 12 Su-57s are going to be preproduction can be taken in two ways. Either these are LRIP birds: the most generous interpretation or these are still more craft-birds[1]. IF these are LRIP it means the assembly line kinks are being worked on. OTOH, if they are the craftbirds, then we still have a ways to go for the program and these are testing out the final kit for the Su-57 rather than really are the final production bird.

The location of the factory is also interesting. The Russians like to place their factories far away from what they think will be the conflict zones, historically. However, this is far and away further out than they normally do. Putin had been promising to develop the far east for some time. This might be his partial fulfillment of that. OTOH, it also means logistical headaches getting all the parts and planes to and fro. It might also mean they are trying to deal with the expense of placing the workers near major European Russian cities. All speculation here on this one.

www.ruaviation.com...

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posted on Dec, 18 2017 @ 11:18 AM
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a reply to: anzha

Or they could have a bunch of them, but let us think they are having troubles.

"Dude, look at that thing! Its 'Rotating'..."



posted on Dec, 18 2017 @ 11:21 AM
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a reply to: intrptr

It's possible, but not generally consistent with Russian public stances on high profile military projects that I have seen.



posted on Dec, 18 2017 @ 11:29 AM
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a reply to: anzha

Don't review the history of Russian conflict then. They always keep their stuff secret till the last minute...

Review WWII, when they launched a winter assault against the germans, or when they invaded afghanistan, or most recent, started bombing in syria.



posted on Dec, 18 2017 @ 11:37 AM
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a reply to: intrptr

Conflict is not the same as tech development.

And Syria was seen coming if you were listening to/reading the Russophonic internet.

Criminy, they even put up recruitment posters in the Donbas (Ukraine) for fighting in Syria.

The SU-57 is as much a national pride project as it is a weapon system.



posted on Dec, 18 2017 @ 11:48 AM
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a reply to: anzha

But still the US was cought of guard when it comes to the Russian build up in Syria. THe US never imagined that the Russians could build a force this fast and with out their knowing about it. THe US never did see how Russia massed their forces in Syria.



posted on Dec, 18 2017 @ 11:51 AM
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I know this aircraft has it's fair share of development issues, but god it's one pretty bird.
Even if it couldn't fly, I'd buy one and put it in my yard for decoration.

One thing about Russia. They sure know how to make one sexy airplane.

~Winter



posted on Dec, 18 2017 @ 11:52 AM
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a reply to: spy66

Yes and no.

We observed them doing it. However, there was a certain level of disbelief that Putin would get his hands dirty. Those people were very, very wrong on so many levels.



posted on Dec, 18 2017 @ 12:14 PM
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a reply to: anzha


No you dident. Not untill it was all in motion. They US dident even know how Russia flew in the SU 34.

I dont know if Turkey played a role or Iraq. But the US never knew.

edit on 27.06.08 by spy66 because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 18 2017 @ 12:22 PM
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a reply to: spy66

I'll be dropping this after this post, but I'm curious why you say I (and the US gov) had no idea it was underway or going to happen?

Their opsec for Russophonic social media is pretty awful in both Ukraine and in Syria and they had folks on the ground prior to the big move...



posted on Dec, 18 2017 @ 01:19 PM
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originally posted by: spy66
a reply to: anzha


No you dident. Not untill it was all in motion. They US dident even know how Russia flew in the SU 34.

I dont know if Turkey played a role or Iraq. But the US never knew.


Really? The accompanying Russian Air Force Tu-154 was flying with its transponder on while escorting the first Su-34s in. The Russians asked for overflight permission from Iran and Iraq.

Radio enthusiasts were monitoring the build up in Russia and also reporting on the build up and movements via social media. The build up wouldn't have gone unnoticed in US intelligence circles. Think of the intelligence jigsaw with imagery and SIGINT in combination with social media? The purpose of the build up might have not been known but the build up wouldn't have gone unnoticed.

theaviationist.com...


In this context Tsentr 2015, 14–20 September, placed strategic mobility high on its priority list. The exercise held in six regions focused on Central Military District and involved up to 95 000 personnel and 7 000 units of arms and equipment. Tsentr 2015 was preceded by a large MTO exercise in the Central Military District in late August and again in the snap inspection announced on 7 September in the same military district. While most elements of the MTO were tested ALOC support was prioritized with 40 Il-76 transporter aircraft, approximately one third of the military transport aviation inventory, rehearsing mass movements of troops, hardware and supplies. As these exercises unfolded it became evident that Moscow used this partly as cover to move military assets to Syria as its build-up continued.


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edit on 18/12/2017 by tommyjo because: Additional info added



posted on Dec, 18 2017 @ 01:46 PM
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I am sure the SU-57 will be a nice aircraft.

How it stacks up against other modern fighters is of course something we'll never know unless there's a war, but there is more to a modern aircraft than just clean lines and a good PR department. Engines, for example.



posted on Dec, 18 2017 @ 03:28 PM
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Conflict is not the same as tech development.

Secrets are secrets. I believe I proposed they might misinform us about SU 57 numbers and readiness.

I would.


And Syria was seen coming if you were listening to/reading the Russophonic internet.

I was here watching. They began running gunship support missions on their base perimeter in the north. Then went after the Insurgents locally before expanding into general operations aimed at nation wide eradication. We can look back now and say you 'seen that comin'...'



posted on Dec, 18 2017 @ 05:04 PM
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a reply to: intrptr

Actually, I called it (not on here because I was not here and only participate in the aviation forum) in August 2015. I passed that info on to people who might be able to use it. I was poo-pooed: why would Putin get involved in yet another insurgency. I kept rattling that cage for a month and then got an email from them telling me to shut the fsck up. The Russians announced their move shortly thereafter.

The russians have for some time used exercises as cover for their actions. They did in Ukraine. They did in Syria. They did it long before then: there's a reason why NATO used to heighten alert when the Soviets would do an exercise with the Warsaw Pact.

More on topic, there may be Russian black projects (I would be surprised if there were not!). However, the SU-57 is not one of them and its being used in a way inconsistent with being overly secretive. If they were, they'd be in even worse trouble with the Indians.



posted on Dec, 18 2017 @ 06:47 PM
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a reply to: anzha


Actually, I called it (not on here because I was not here and only participate in the aviation forum) in August 2015. I passed that info on to people who might be able to use it. I was poo-pooed: why would Putin get involved in yet another insurgency.

For the same reason they(Russia) got in involved in Vietnam, Cuba and a host of other defenseless nations.



posted on Dec, 18 2017 @ 07:40 PM
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a reply to: tommyjo

That is a recap. And it actually tells you that the US was cought of guard. Initially the US didnt know what happened. But then they put two and two together.

The US new about the drills but not the build up in Syria. It was only after they new what the drills were for. You can even read that from the text in the way it is worded. It is even written like a poor excuse for being cought with your pants down.

edit on 27.06.08 by spy66 because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 19 2017 @ 01:08 PM
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a reply to: spy66


They US dident even know how Russia flew in the SU 34.


I was responding to your claim that you made above. Of course the US knew that Iran/Iraq was the route flown.







 
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