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originally posted by: VigiliaProcuratio
originally posted by: AgarthaSeed
For example, every time Jesus refers to his "father" he's simply talking about his higher self.
No man is greater than the Lord whom came before him, and God Almighty is greater than them all.
originally posted by: ChesterJohn
We are caugth up 1 Thess 4 (a partial ressurection of saved church only), also called our gathering unto him in 2thess 2, and that happens when the son of perdition is revealed and then a 7 year wrath starts and not just against the world but to finish his chastisement if Israel.
1 Thessalonians tells us that the time of being "caught up" is when the Lord comes (ch4 v15).
originally posted by: Seede
Now in verse 16 Paul then says these dead souls will rise first. Does that mean that Abraham and all the justified souls have already risen first and are in heaven and that the living will follow either as a group or one by one in due time?
I've applied these comments to deceased Christians because that seems to have been the pastoral issue Paul was addressing. But there is no reason why they should not also be applicable to people like Abraham who knew God before Jesus was born. Text
Thank you DISRAELI for your thread. I have other questions but my main concern now is that of understanding the spirits of the dead.
The Jews believed that all spirits of the dead were contained in Sheol and they believed that those spirits were conscious spirits. Jesus taught the very same thing in Luke 16:19-31. Many Christian teachers do teach that Luke 16:19-31 was parabolic and not to be understood as factual. To me this is the key to my understanding Paul in 1st Thessalonians.
My question is -- Are all spirits of the dead souls conscious and aware of their surroundings after death of this body? That is as of today?
edit on 20-12-2017 by Seede because: My post was not showing ---?
a reply to: Seede I read your question by clicking on "quote". I don't know the answer, but if the spirits of the dead are already "in the presence of God", outside our time, that might be their state of consciousness. P.S. You had one [ quote ] followed by another, without an intervening [ /quote ]. That's why it was cut short.
originally posted by: JerryMH
...who erected and wrote their own supposedly divinely penned book
hey look everyone!! Another christian has figured it all out!! If you want to know what the bible really meant, here’s your chance. This here human ATS poster is beyond reproach and obviously has special insight into the mind of god. Do not question his claims, as he is the only one who has read the bible with his special brain. All of those other christians are obviously working for the devil, but this one is special. He knows things, just ask him. He writes about it all the time, so everyone better start believing in jesus and disraeli because they are practically the same thing.
originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: JerryMH
You say this to me, who have written the definitive ATS account of Revelation?
Revelation- Project complete