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New York Times : "The Pentagon's Mysterious UFO Program" (plus DeLonge's new website/videos)

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posted on Dec, 28 2017 @ 08:08 PM
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It blows my mind that people are insinuating the pilot didn't see what he says he saw. Like hes mistaking some sort of glitch or lense flare for his sighting. I'm sorry but no way. Read his statements again. Call him a liar if you want, but people sitting behind a screen and saying he doesn't know the difference between a glitch or something natural, and something absolutly extraordinary is rediculous.

I know it's been posted plenty of times, but read his statement and think again. He's either a liar, or he saw a UFO. Period.



"Retired US Navy pilot David Fravor trusts what he saw with his own two eyes. And what he saw, in 2004, was a flying object that cannot be identified. Otherwise known as a UFO.

It was a "white object, oblong, pointing north, moving erratically," he told CNN's Jim Sciutto on Tuesday evening.

At the time of the sighting, Fravor was a naval commander, in the cockpit of a US aircraft, and the details of the encounter are still fresh in his mind.


"As I got close to it ... it rapidly accelerated to the south, and disappeared in less than two seconds," he said.

The object in question had no wings. As such, one might think it was a helicopter. Not so, said Fravor, who noted clear differences between a chopper and the aircraft he came across.

"When helicopters move side to side, they kinda slow, and then they pick up speed going the other way," Fravor explained. "This was extremely abrupt, like a ping pong ball, bouncing off a wall. It would hit and go the other way."


The movements of the flying object were unlike anything Fravor had ever seen, largely due to its agility and the way it handled.

Speaking live with Sciutto, the former naval pilot said the aircraft had "the ability to hover over the water, and then start a vertical climb, from basically zero up towards about 12,000 feet, and then accelerate in less than two seconds, and disappear."

As a believer in UFO's, Fravor knows there are skeptics.

"It's easy to doubt what we can't explain," he said. However, he reminded viewers that he was among other aviation experts, all of whom did their due diligence on that day.

"It was an actual object that we tracked ... for somewhere around five minutes, before it rapidly accelerated."




posted on Dec, 28 2017 @ 08:12 PM
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a reply to: Guyfriday

That is the crux of the matter here.

We have been seeing videos like this for decades and the gov makes little comment. Here they seem to be admitting to a program yet they aren’t commenting on the videos as far as I know.


This is a disclosure with a real little itty bitty d. So itty bitty it flattens out to this _



posted on Dec, 28 2017 @ 08:19 PM
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originally posted by: Willtell
a reply to: Guyfriday

That is the crux of the matter here.

We have been seeing videos like this for decades and the gov makes little comment. Here they seem to be admitting to a program yet they aren’t commenting on the videos as far as I know.


This is a disclosure with a real little itty bitty d. So itty bitty it flattens out to this _




A police Officer friend of mine would say;
"A bread crumb on the grounds means that someone had bread in the open. Now lets find the bread and the person holding it."

In other words, We have some of the bread (the video) and we have one person that was holding it (Reid) now what were they doing with it, and what did they see?

"What's in the sandwich?" I'll end it with a common quote of my friend.



posted on Dec, 28 2017 @ 08:23 PM
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We have had a whole generation of alien UFO propaganda and programming in this possibility of an alien UFO reality.

How much more do they need

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Star TreK

Star WARS


List of films featuring extraterrestrials
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This is a list of films that feature extraterrestrial life.
Title
10 Cloverfield Lane

20 Million Miles to Earth

2001: A Space Odyssey

2001: A Space Travesty

2010

The 5th Wave

6 Days on Earth

Abbott and Costello Go to Mars

Abraxas, Guardian of the Universe

The Abyss

The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai Across the 8th Dimension

Aelita

After Earth

Airplane II: The Sequel

Algol: Tragedy of Power

Alien

The Alien

Alien 2: On Earth

Alien3

Alien Abduction

Alien Abduction

Alien Abduction: Incident in Lake County

Alien Agent

Alien Apocalypse

Alien Arsenal

Alien: Covenant

The Alien Factor

Alien Hunter

Alien Intruder

Alien Invasion Arizona

Alien Nation

Alien Origin

Alien Raiders

Alien Resurrection

Aliens

Aliens in the Attic

Aliens vs. Avatars

Aliens vs. Predator: Requiem

Alien Trespass

Alien vs Ninja

Alien vs. Predator

Allegro Non Troppo

Almost Human

Altered

Amazon Women on the Moon

The Andromeda Strain

The Angry Red Planet

Angry Video Game Nerd: The Movie

Apollo 18

Area 51

Area Q

Arena

The Arrival

Arrival

Arrival II

Los astronautas

The Astronaut's Wife

Attack of the 50 Foot Woman

Attack of the 50 Ft. Woman

Attack the Block

Avatar

Avatar 2

Avatar 3

The Avengers

Avengers: Age of Ultron

Avengers: Infinity War

AVH: Alien vs Hunter

Bad Taste

Barbarella

Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice

Batteries Not Included

Battle Beyond the Stars

Battlefield Earth

Battle for Terra

Battle in Outer Space

Battle: Los Angeles

Battleship

Ben 10: Alien Swarm

Ben 10: Race Against Time

Ben 10: Destroy All Aliens

Beware! The Blob

Bill & Ted's Bogus Journey

The Blob

The Blob

Bloodbath at the House of Death

Body Snatchers

The Brain from Planet Arous

Breeders

The Brother from Another Planet

Buzz Lightyear of Star Command: The Adventure Begins

The Cape Canaveral Monsters

Captain Marvel

Can of Worms

Captive State

The Cat

The Cat from Outer Space

Cat-Women of the Moon

Ché OVNI

Chicken Little

Children of the Damned

Christmas on Mars

The Chronicles of Riddick

CJ7

Close Encounters of the Third Kind

Cocoon

Cocoon: The Return

Communion

Coneheads

Contact

Cowboys & Aliens

Creature
1985 [79]
The Creature Wasn't Nice
1983 [80]
The Creeping Terror
1964 [81]
Critters
1986 [10]
Critters 2: The Main Course
1988 [82]
Critters 3
1991 [82]
Critters 4
1992 [82]
Daleks – Invasion Earth: 2150 A.D.
1966 [83]
Dark City
1998 [32]
The Dark Crystal
1982 [84]
Darkening Sky
2010 [85]
The Darkest Hour
2011 [86]
Dark Skies
2013 [36]
Dark Star
1974 [87]
Dark Universe
1993 [88]
The Day Mars Invaded Earth
1963 [89]
The Day of the Triffids
1962 [9]
The Day the Earth Stood Still
1951 [66]
The Day the Earth Stood Still
2008 [90]
The Day the Earth Stopped
2008 [91]
The Deadly Spawn
1983 [92]
Decoys
2004 [93]
Decoys 2: Alien Seduction
2007 [94]
Destroy All Monsters
1968 [95]
Devil Girl from Mars
1954 [96]
District 9
2009 [50]
Doctor Strange
2016 [97]
Doctor Who
1996 [98]
Doom
2005 [99]
Dragonball Evolution
2009 [100]
Dr. Alien
1989 [101]
Dreamcatcher
2003 [10]
Dr. Who and the Daleks
1966 [102]
Dude, Where's My Car?
2000 [103]
Dune
1984 [10]
E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial
1982 [66]
Earth Girls Are Easy
1988 [10]
Earth to Echo
2014 [54]
Earth vs. the Flying Saucers
1956 [50]
Edge of Tomorrow
2014 [50]
Ender's Game
2013 [104]
Enemy Mine
1985 [32]
Escape to Witch Mountain
1975 [105]
Escape to Witch Mountain
1995 [106]
Europa Report
2013 [29]



posted on Dec, 28 2017 @ 08:25 PM
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More...


These aren't even the huge number of of documentaries

Evolution
2001 [107]
Ewoks: The Battle for Endor
1985 [108]
Excursion to the Moon
1908 [109]
Explorers
1985 [110]
Extraterrestrial
2011 [111]
Extraterrestrial
2014 [36]
The Eye Creatures
1965 [112]
The Faculty
1998 [32]
Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer
2007 [113]
Fantastic Planet
1973 [87]
Feeders
1996 [31]
The Fifth Element
1997 [29]
Fire in the Sky
1993 [114]
Fire Maidens from Outer Space
1956 [115]
First Men in the Moon
1964 [116]
First Spaceship on Venus
1962 [117]
Flash Gordon (serial)
1936 [118]
Flash Gordon
1980 [10]
Flash Gordon Conquers the Universe
1940 [119]
Flesh Gordon
1974 [9]
Flesh Gordon Meets the Cosmic Cheerleaders
1989 [120]
Flight of the Navigator
1986 [9]
Flight to Mars
1950 [121]
The Flintstones in Viva Rock Vegas
2000 [122]
Flying Disc Man from Mars
1950 [123]
Flying Saucer Rock'n'Roll
1997 [124]
Forbidden Planet
1956 [87]
Forbidden World
1982 [125]
The Forgotten
2004 [126]
The Fourth Kind
2009 [36]
Frankenstein Island
1981 [31]
Frankenstein Meets the Space Monster
1965 [127]
Freaks of Nature
2015 [128]
Futurama: Bender's Big Score
2007 [129]
Futurama: The Beast with a Billion Backs
2008 [130]
The Galaxy Invader
1985 [131]
Galaxy of Terror
1981 [9]
Galaxy Quest
1999 [29]
Gamera: Super Monster
1980 [132]
Gamera vs. Viras
1968 [133]
Gamera vs. Zigra
1971 [134]
Ghidorah, the Three-Headed Monster
1964 [135]
Ghosts of Mars
2001 [136]
The Giant Spider Invasion
1975 [137]
God Told Me To
1976 [138]
Godzilla 2000
1999 [139]
Godzilla: Final Wars
2004 [140]
Godzilla vs. Gigan
1972 [141]
Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla
1974 [142]
Godzilla vs. SpaceGodzilla
1994 [143]
Godzilla vs. Destoroyah
1995
Good Boy!
2003 [144]
Grabbers
2012 [145]
Green Lantern
2011 [146]
The Green Slime
1968 [147]
Guardians of the Galaxy
2014 [29]
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2
2017 [148]
Hangar 18
1980 [149]
Hardware Wars
1978 [150]
Have Rocket, Will Travel
1959 [151]
Heavy Metal
1981 [152]
Heavy Metal 2000
2000 [153]
H.G. Wells' The War of the Worlds
2005 [154]
H.G. Wells' War of the Worlds
2005 [155]
The Hidden
1987 [156]
The Hidden II
1993 [157]
Highlander II: The Quickening
1991 [158]
High Plains Invaders
2009 [159]
The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
2005 [10]
Hobgoblins
1988 [160]
Home
2015 [3]
Honeymoon
2014 [36]
The Host
2013 [161]
Howard the Duck
1986 [9]
I Am Number Four
2011 [162]
I Come in Peace
1990 [163]
Illegal Aliens
2007 [164]
I Married a Monster from Outer Space
1958 [1]
Impostor
2002 [32]
Independence Day
1996 [50]
Independence Day: Resurgence
2016 [165]
Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull
2008 [9]
Infected
2008 [166]
Inseminoid
1981 [167]
Interstella 5555: The 5tory of the 5ecret 5tar 5ystem
2003 [168]
Invaders from Mars
1953 [50]
Invaders from Mars
1986 [169]
Invasion
1966 [170]
The Invasion
2007 [32]
Invasion from Inner Earth
1974 [31]
Invasion of Astro-Monster
1965 [171]
Invasion of the Body Snatchers
1956 [50]
Invasion of the Body Snatchers
1978 [50]
Invasion of the Neptune Men
1961 [31]
Invasion of the Saucer Men
1957 [164]
Invasion of the Star Creatures
1962 [172]
Invisible Invaders
1959 [173]
The Iron Giant
1999 [66]
Iron Invader
2011 [174]
It Came from Outer Space
1953 [175]
It Conquered the World
1956 [176]
It! The Terror from Beyond Space
1958 [177]
I Was a Zombie for the F.B.I.
1982 [178]
Jetsons: The Movie
1990 [179]
Jimmy Neutron: Boy Genius
2001 [180]
John Carter
2012 [3]
Joker
2012 [181]
Journey to the Seventh Planet
1962 [182]
Jupiter Ascending
2015 [183]
Justice League
2017 [184]
Killer Klowns from Outer Space
1988 [10]
Killers from Space
1954 [185]
Knowing
2009 [186]
Koi... Mil Gaya



posted on Dec, 28 2017 @ 08:30 PM
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www.imdb.com...

I cant get a ready list of documentaries there's so many of them.
edit on 28-12-2017 by Willtell because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 28 2017 @ 08:35 PM
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The metabunk guys are not the enemy.



posted on Dec, 28 2017 @ 08:36 PM
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a reply to: 1ofthe9

I just know if someone is lying and working around info/bending it, to prove something as what they say, they are likely lying + likely have an alter motive they are not saying



posted on Dec, 28 2017 @ 08:42 PM
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a reply to: makalit

I know, but we have to be extremely cautious about this stuff. Not just because of the videos, but the lack of FOIA returns, the return of Doty... We just have two brief clips from ATFLIRs...we don't have radar data or flight records...

This whole thing is just strange.



posted on Dec, 28 2017 @ 08:46 PM
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a reply to: makalit

No, you don’t know that, it is your perception within your own life.
As far as a good proportion of us understand, there is no bending of information, so why not wait until more info comes. Strategically (in a lot of situations in life) it’s counterintuitive to throw everything out as immediate food to your brain. It’s taken 70+++ years to get this far, so hold your horses. In real terms it is actually speeding up a great deal, so lets all revel in that massive fact.



posted on Dec, 28 2017 @ 08:49 PM
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a reply to: Willtell

Alien's from movies:


Alien contactees drawings of what they saw for most reports:


From that list, you sorta added validity to alien encounters in real life. There's about 2000 completely different alien body/creature types, yet there's a solid 3 aliens being reported from people in reality, if movies influenced it there should be hundreds as well.



posted on Dec, 28 2017 @ 08:52 PM
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a reply to: 1ofthe9

You guys can be skeptical, however saying "The government findings was that this was a possible lens flare" when the previous poster meant "The government findings (AKA pentagon) held more truth (of what these are)"
Yet he says "the gov did find this to be a lense flare" when it's the gov itself who released all this info in the first place, so he's lying.

And to say the pilots story is not fully making the rounds of what is believable, yet it was fully believable, it's the video that isn't believable, so he's adding what should be kept to the vid, onto the pilot himself when that's not how you should intake info. The pilot is a sound source and solid mind, believe him, don't find a clue somewhere else to try to discredit him, it sounds like another lie on this guys part,
edit on 28-12-2017 by makalit because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 28 2017 @ 08:55 PM
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a reply to: makalit

Apologies makalit, I didn’t mean to fly off against you own thoughts there.

You bring a good point about the alien form, even though we’re not directly referencing ‘aliens’ overall, but if we do make that assumption then lets look at the ‘experiencer’ testimonies first.

I urger EVERYONE to get hold of John E Macks book ‘Abducted’ to see how the experiences, form of entities and their messages are thoroughly consistent, with a high degree of strangeness wrapping everything about the phenomenon.



posted on Dec, 28 2017 @ 09:39 PM
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originally posted by: Zadiel74
I know it's been posted plenty of times, but read his statement and think again. He's either a liar, or he saw a UFO. Period.
It's not that simple. Plenty of pilots have given bad us information about UFOs and they weren't lying. Jim Oberg has documented such cases.

Case Studies In Pilot Misperceptions Of "UFOs"

The resulting perceptions look like many other 'classic UFO encounters" reported by pilots, encounters that superficially have a high credibility because of the technical expertise of the witnesses. But both of these man-made events provide a rare opportunity to calibrate pilots' perceptions to what we know was actually being observed, and to raise a caution flag about accepting similar perceptions as gospel.


Anyway the statement you posted suggests that the object was unidentifiable to the pilot. He would have to be privy to all the top secret compartmentalized projects of skunk works etc to rule those out and he like most pilots are not privy to such information.



posted on Dec, 28 2017 @ 09:55 PM
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originally posted by: Arbitrageur

originally posted by: Zadiel74
I know it's been posted plenty of times, but read his statement and think again. He's either a liar, or he saw a UFO. Period.
It's not that simple. Plenty of pilots have given bad us information about UFOs and they weren't lying. Jim Oberg has documented such cases.

Case Studies In Pilot Misperceptions Of "UFOs"
There wasn't so much as inaccurate observations, just not knowing what they were looking at. I read about 10 minutes and they saw a broken satelite and thought it was 'beyond this world' and 'moving nearly super sonic'
So it shows their eyes saw what was really happening, they just weren't sure if it was UFO or not. and thought it was.



posted on Dec, 28 2017 @ 10:54 PM
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originally posted by: Zadiel74
It blows my mind that people are insinuating the pilot didn't see what he says he saw. Like hes mistaking some sort of glitch or lense flare for his sighting. I'm sorry but no way.


Do you know that military pilots do in fact make visual mistakes? Its true!
This is well established. Otherworldly craft are not.


originally posted by: Zadiel74
"Retired US Navy pilot David Fravor trusts what he saw with his own two eyes. And what he saw, in 2004, was a flying object that cannot be identified. Otherwise known as a UFO.

It was a "white object, oblong, pointing north, moving erratically," he told CNN's Jim Sciutto on Tuesday evening.

At the time of the sighting, Fravor was a naval commander, in the cockpit of a US aircraft, and the details of the encounter are still fresh in his mind.


"As I got close to it ... it rapidly accelerated to the south, and disappeared in less than two seconds," he said.

The object in question had no wings. As such, one might think it was a helicopter. Not so, said Fravor, who noted clear differences between a chopper and the aircraft he came across.

"When helicopters move side to side, they kinda slow, and then they pick up speed going the other way," Fravor explained. "This was extremely abrupt, like a ping pong ball, bouncing off a wall. It would hit and go the other way."


The movements of the flying object were unlike anything Fravor had ever seen, largely due to its agility and the way it handled.

Speaking live with Sciutto, the former naval pilot said the aircraft had "the ability to hover over the water, and then start a vertical climb, from basically zero up towards about 12,000 feet, and then accelerate in less than two seconds, and disappear."

As a believer in UFO's, Fravor knows there are skeptics.

"It's easy to doubt what we can't explain," he said. However, he reminded viewers that he was among other aviation experts, all of whom did their due diligence on that day.

"It was an actual object that we tracked ... for somewhere around five minutes, before it rapidly accelerated."


Unfortunately, the video accompaniment to the pilot's account does not display any "ping-pong" activity (besides obvious zoom/mode-switch glitches). Nor does it display any "erratic movement", nor any rapid ascending or descending.

Additionally, in the CNN Interview, @4:36, the pilot says, "Well, you can't really discern what it is until... there's a couple of shots, when it gets close there's a couple of objects coming out of the bottom." This claim of "a couple of objects coming out of the bottom" does not correlate with the video, nor with the analysis on the To The Stars Academy site, nor on the pilot's own report after the incident. It means the pilot didn't report everything he saw initially, or even later to TTS/AAS, and/or it means he's depending on this fuzzy video for details of the object that he couldn't see with his eyes during the incident.

Either way, it damages the reliability of his testimony, and suggests that the best view he got of the object is on this fuzzy video.
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posted on Dec, 28 2017 @ 11:00 PM
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originally posted by: Iridomyrmex
Either way, it damages the reliability of his testimony, and suggests that the best view he got of the object is on this fuzzy video.

No, he had to see the object in order to chase it with his jet as they were both simultaneously circling one another.



posted on Dec, 28 2017 @ 11:18 PM
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All right, here’s the positive prospective...

The hidden planners hired a millennium rock star to be the point man on disclosure so the millennium generation can be acclimated to the aliens and feel involved.

They hire all these security, biotech engineers, and intelligence agents so they can be technologically astute and looking forward to fantastic future events and discoveries. Nothing more soothing to the technically inclined having 4 bio engineers on the staff and 3 security intelligence agents and one CIA tech guy along with one skunk works expert.

A crack team of Alien hunters or capable receivers of the new technology to be disclosed.

And of course the entertainment Guru TDL. This is a good idea since we are in the age of entertainment basically, alive to begin to enjoy our existence and be entertained and educated at the same time.

A good ground plan which only requires for its success some extraordinary content



posted on Dec, 29 2017 @ 01:30 AM
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Iridomyrmex:

I think you're getting the two separate UFO events/videos confused.


Yes, you are correct, I thought it was the one same event depicted in two videos. I feel such an idiot! A lesson learned here for me I suppose. One really has to get into the detail of things and not allow one's excitement to overrule one's healthy intellectual caution, otherwise known as open-minded scepticism.

Yesterday, I watched a Youtube video on Skunkwork projects, which if true, really muddies the waters for me. We can no longer clearly discern between real none man-made technology in our skies (if it actually exists?), and that of advanced man-made technology being tested. Considering the amount of money that is unaccounted for in government audits of public money (a scandal in itself), it would not be a stretch of an assumption to suggest most of it is going into these skunkwork projects without any real oversight or accountability? They just do it as a matter of national security against a potential alien threat, which in reality is their own technology, and that ET visitation is nothing more than a rolling ruse?

I'm getting to the point now where I can no longer be confident in what I'd like to believe, and literally trust no claim at all.
edit on 29/12/17 by elysiumfire because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 29 2017 @ 01:48 AM
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originally posted by: makalit
There wasn't so much as inaccurate observations, just not knowing what they were looking at. I read about 10 minutes and they saw a broken satelite and thought it was 'beyond this world' and 'moving nearly super sonic'
So it shows their eyes saw what was really happening, they just weren't sure if it was UFO or not. and thought it was.
It's along the same lines as the pilot in this case saying it wasn't "from this world".

Case Studies In Pilot Misperceptions Of "UFOs"

D'Alton continued: "The craft was flying level, going much too fast to be a man-made aircraft. I've flown all over the world, and I know this thing wasn't a shooting star, space debris or the northern lights."
He said he knows it wasn't space debris, how is that not an inaccurate observation? He said he's seen space debris and satellite reentries before and this didn't look like those. So if you take what the pilot says at face value, your analysis is doomed, and there's no reason to think he's lying.


Said Bob Parkhouse, the flight's chief steward: "The UFO was moving from left to right across the horizon. It was a sight I'd never seen before!"

"The crew watched the craft for two minutes, said Capt. D'Alton. 'Then it took a lightning-fast right-angle turn and zoomed out of sight.' Other pilots, including a Lufthansa German Airlines captain, reported a UFO sighting around the same time. Capt D'Alton said. 'It had to be something from another planet -- because it was definitely not man-made!' "
The "from another planet" again sounds like the pilot in this case, David Fravor, jumping to unwarranted conclusions that it wasn't "from this world" just because he doesn't understand what he's looking at.


originally posted by: Iridomyrmex
Unfortunately, the video accompaniment to the pilot's account does not display any "ping-pong" activity (besides obvious zoom/mode-switch glitches). Nor does it display any "erratic movement", nor any rapid ascending or descending.
I noticed that too. Maybe we aren't being shown all the video that exists, but the video would certainly be more interesting if it did show what the pilot describes.


edit on 20171229 by Arbitrageur because: clarification




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