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New York Times : "The Pentagon's Mysterious UFO Program" (plus DeLonge's new website/videos)

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posted on Dec, 18 2017 @ 05:46 PM
Oh wow UFO's on CBS National evening news.

"Should we worry about UFO's..', they said.. segment coming up now!

This is happening faster than I imagined.

posted on Dec, 18 2017 @ 05:54 PM

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: Jesushere

Why is the news media not asking Bigelow about the strange materials found?

I don't know. They really should do. He spent $22m of US taxes. Maybe we will get an answer from him in the future?

Bigelow is very vague about everything despite his background in this subject. A snapshot of which is below:

* In 1993, he started a paranormal radio show - 'Area 2000' with a Art Bell, George Knapp and Linda Moulton Howe.

* In 1995 he created NIDS with Jacques Vallee, Hal Puthoff, Melvin Morse and Edgar Mitchell on board. Looking into sightings, cattle mutilations, consciousness studies and crop circles.

* In 1996, he purchased Skinwalker Ranch. The supposed paranormal Disneyland.

*In 2004, NIDS was frozen due to a lack of worthwhile cases to investigate.

* In 2007 the US DoD handed Bigelow Aerospace (BAASS),$22 million for use in the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program.

So far he's stated he thinks there is an ET presence here on Earth. But despite all the projects he's funded he's never provided any evidence why he thinks so.

Meanwhile the Pentagon claim 'nothing of substance' was ever found (as posted just a page back) :

“After a while the consensus was we really couldn’t find anything of substance,” he recalled. “They produced reams of paperwork. After all of that there was really nothing there that we could find. It all pretty much dissolved from that reason alone—and the interest level was losing steam. We only did it a couple years....”


What are we to make of it all?

mm your right here, something is very, very weird about Bigelow and all of this. He sure does seem to bury things rather than bringing things out.

One might even speculate that that may be his job—to bury things, figuratively speaking.

To attach himself to these “mysteries” and then they get buried.

Then forgotten about

posted on Dec, 18 2017 @ 05:58 PM

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: The GUT

Hello again GUT.

I must say it's very rare to see both yourself and Isaac in a thread together these days.

This has certainly grabbed A LOT of attention. Some people think it's the real deal and a step towards 'disclosure'. Others like myself are viewing it a lot more cautiously and watching as things develop. But at least it's something happening in the present day. Whatever our views on this NY Times piece and DeLonge's TTS project it gives us something to dissect and debate. So I keep an open mind to it.

My own thoughts are that this will all be part of a greater plot that suits officialdom more than it will help ufology or the general public of the USA and beyond. I've given a rough theory on another thread here : link. But things are indeed way more complex in all of this.

Unfortunately there are at least 5 or 6 similar threads here on the forum now so it's hard to keep up!!

Oh and let me wish Isaac (thanks for the NYT podcast link), yourself and all the other members here, a Merry Christmas & Happy Holidays. Just in case the opportunity never arises again.

Greetings, MM! Glad to see you digging into this. It looks like the UFO Forum isn't dead after all. It was just on hiatus. Many of the actors are back for the season finale!

I'm thinking a specific kind of thread on the topic might become a "go to" for deeper discussion. We should chat.

In the meantime, I would suggest that at least a few of us should be digging around in the Academy and compiling names for cross-reference.

Maybe Jack Brewer at The UFO Trail will have some thoughts on this soon. I encourage all to check out Jack's well-researched articles at the apex of where Intelligence Spooks meet UFOs. Fascinating place.

Which brings me to another question: We know that the ubiquitous Scientologist/Scientist/NSA maven Hal Puthoff of Aviary infamy (not to mention the SERPO psyop) is involved...I wonder what Dr. Christopher "Kit" Green is up to these days? Is he still on the Science Board here at ATS? Is he still a part-owner of this site?

We can surely expect George Knapp to start showing up all over, and in, this.

As I'm writing this CBS evening news has jumped into the hype I just overheard in the background. Big concerted effort on this, eh? That speaks volumes...if we can just make out what they are really saying. This is getting good.

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posted on Dec, 18 2017 @ 06:12 PM
a reply to: Willtell

I don't want to speculate. But it has always seemed to me that there is always a contradictory information flow from the intel boys of the United States. One view supports the ET hypothesis for those who are perceptive to that line of thinking. Another one rejects that view implicitly and labels such thinking as bordering on mental illness.

Occasionally the mainstream media find a more moderate take on it all. This is one of those times. Perhaps a pivotal time in history due to the technological changes we've seen in just this century. Or maybe not?

posted on Dec, 18 2017 @ 06:13 PM

originally posted by: The GUT
It looks like the UFO Forum isn't dead after all. It was just on hiatus. Many of the actors are back for the season finale!

Nice to be out of the doldrums, if only for a little while. Hopefully it won't just evaporate like so many other UFO news events have in the past.

But I'm not counting on it.

posted on Dec, 18 2017 @ 06:14 PM
a reply to: The GUT

Yes my friend.

Things are brewing. I certainly hope Jack Brewer is making notes and he does pay attention to this forum as well.

There are things to scrutinize. But it's time for bed on our side of the Atlantic. So I'll catch up tomorrow GUT.

posted on Dec, 18 2017 @ 06:22 PM
So what’s the end goal of all of this...disclosure, but on the Military, intelligence agencies and MIC(Military-Industrial-complexes) terms and “evil” aliens to defend against and in turn get more power and control?

posted on Dec, 18 2017 @ 06:23 PM
Something weird about the footage released on national television (CBS) - If you wanted a partial disclosure, it is not the most impressive footage from some sort of viewer of a military jet. Then it sort of looks fake - the UFO is on lock in the crosshair of the viewer without any deviation from the crosshair whatsoever the entire time, while traveling at high speeds. The shape of the UFO is super-classic, and it does this rotational thing which is odd - it does not coincide with the direction of travel. Previous UFO's have already shown that no tilt or rotation is necessary to change the direction of travel.

posted on Dec, 18 2017 @ 06:28 PM
The fact the press is reframing from their usual disdain over UFO topics is interesting.

There likely is a reason for this and in light of what we do know: that the CIA controls the MSM on subjects like this…We may be able to deduce the reason for the medias new attitude

And it doesn’t take a Sherlock Holmes to see through some of this.

It seems that this story exists to help TDL’s group

This somewhat positive media equals a lot of potential buyers into TDL’s new group

One hand washes the other

posted on Dec, 18 2017 @ 06:54 PM
a reply to: Willtell

One thing that comes to immediate mind as we prepare to dissect the patient, Will: The IC learned a very long time ago how to make a profit off of certain front companies.

Essentially "Operations" that pay for themselves and even sometimes profit. So, I don't doubt there are aspects of this whole deal about money, but it's not about the money if that makes sense.

posted on Dec, 18 2017 @ 06:57 PM
I do not want to be negative, but we have seen all this before. It has come and gone, and come and gone, and I do not think this time is any different.

Hope I am wrong this time.

posted on Dec, 18 2017 @ 06:58 PM
a reply to: The GUT

Hey its the GUT. I never did catch that nordic alien blonde bombshell at the liqour store from all those years ago! I still go to the same store on Valentines hoping to see her again. You may not remember me, but you got more stars then me in my own thread. It was funny though, a fond memory of mine.

Goodnight MM, thanks for your responses to me in the other thread.

posted on Dec, 18 2017 @ 07:00 PM
a reply to: spleenika

Hey, I do remember you and your interesting adventure! Good to run across you here and thanks for the reminder, Splee!!

posted on Dec, 18 2017 @ 07:00 PM
a reply to: johnthejedi24

Sure it could be those things, but it could also be about informing the American public about stuff to. If it was revealed that we are not alone in the sea of blackness called space, then the public would be more interested in putting more money into NASA and other space exploration programs.

Right now when you talk to people about the benefits of space exploration, a common statement is' "why spend money out there, when it's needed down here". The problem is for every dollar spent on space exploration ventures, five dollars come back to us in new technologies, research science, and general public information services (ie, weather satellites, publically accessible GPS, Mapping tech, and so on and so forth). New technology markets get created, which in turn equals new jobs.

So this could be about that, but it could also be about holding people accountable for possible misuse of government funds. It looks like Bigelow was a receiver of this money, and I have to say if that's the case, then what and how is anything learned going to be coming down to the civilian markets? So sure it could be all smoke and mirrors, misuse of governmental fund, or (and hopefully) it could also be getting revealed in hopes of educating the public on the adventure of space exploration.

posted on Dec, 18 2017 @ 07:01 PM
a reply to: nOraKat

"I think this is a national security imperative," Elizondo said. "We have clear things that we do not understand how they work, operating in areas that we can't control."

That's a statement we'll remember for decades to come..


posted on Dec, 18 2017 @ 07:06 PM
a reply to: The GUT

TDL is a front that will make money on its own. I got that, its makes sense and they get a massive media boost to get started….

Sure its not about money….What their doing from him, or to him, or to us, of course, I don’t know at this time but there doing something!

posted on Dec, 18 2017 @ 07:12 PM
a reply to: nOraKat

The visual evidence heavily suggests that the GIMBAL blobject, it's halo, and it's apparent rotation, are the result of camera artifacts from the ATFLIR pod. I'd hoped more people on ATS would have clued into this by now, or at least discussed it, because the veracity of the video evidence is the real lynchpin in all of this ridiculous kerfluffle.

There's the startling implication that the "experts" at Delonges Academy seem to be unaware of a common contrast artifact, the halo (or as they speculate, "Possible energy field or resonance of unknown nature", and "a dark or opaque field the appears to surround or encapsulate the object"). And instead of considering the far more likely possibility that the rotation is a camera flare/distortion from the blown out, highly contrasted blobject, they rather leap to the inane supposition that it may be flying in a "vacuum environment". Not to mention their perception that the obviously distorted blob has a "distinct shape", despite evident Youtube FLIR vids of distant objects creating similar effects.

This all seems designed to quickly appeal to the non-critical mind and to reinforce the confirmation bias of the UFO faithful.

There's a thread over on Metabunk where these artifacts are examined, I'd suggest it to anyone interested in analyzing the footage.

posted on Dec, 18 2017 @ 07:21 PM
a reply to: Iridomyrmex

far more likely possibility that the rotation is a camera flare/distortion from the blown out, highly contrasted blobject,

So you are suggesting that those pilots were wrong and that the object never rotated?

Mick west suggests that it was some IRflare lol he's a funny guy to have more knowledge as those fighter pilots who are doing this every day professionally. .
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posted on Dec, 18 2017 @ 07:21 PM
a reply to: Iridomyrmex

That is silly. Didn't you hear, metabunk has been debunked. It turned out to be a mylar balloon.

posted on Dec, 18 2017 @ 07:28 PM
Did you all go here and see the reasoning happening?

Because I know most of you are not going to take OUR government's word for it..

are you?

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