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Exceptionally hot temperatures detected by NASA Juno craft 200 miles below JUPITER Great Red Spot.

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posted on Dec, 15 2017 @ 06:56 AM
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Read up on Boyle's law. Temperature changes with pressure within a closed system and is inversely proportional to the volume it occupies.
a reply to: Ophiuchus 13




posted on Dec, 15 2017 @ 07:02 AM
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In one of the latest findings of NASA, Jupiter's Great Red Spot descends at least 200 miles beneath the clouds and possibly much deeper.


Do we really need NASA to tell us this... considering the Great Red Spot is approximately the size of earth , 200 miles would be relatively nothing and anything is possible.



posted on Dec, 15 2017 @ 07:13 AM
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a reply to: carewemust

Actually, no, it has not remained rooted to the spot.

Its latitude does not change, that is accurate, but its longitude does, by degrees here and there. The reason it remains stationary from a latitude perspective, is that the power of the twenty or so jet streams on Jupiter, more precisely the ones either above or below its location, are EXTREMELY powerful. The Coriolis forces on that planet, with its ten hour rotation, and MASSIVE atmospheric density, produce some of the strongest atmospheric forces in our Solar System, in the Jovian atmosphere. This is the only thing which confines its north-south movement, not marriage to some utterly unfounded and as far as we can tell, non-existent object or point of issuance.

Those bands hold the spot still, in terms of north and southward movement. But it does move around on the east-west line, as animated images, and timelapsed videos of it will clearly demonstrate.



posted on Dec, 15 2017 @ 08:01 AM
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originally posted by: SecretsoftheBlueApples
Read up on Boyle's law. Temperature changes with pressure within a closed system and is inversely proportional to the volume it occupies.
a reply to: Ophiuchus 13



Planets are not quite closed systems but do have some property's of one. So the Dynamics are going to be real tricky to make solid predictions or to be sure of what we are observing, just yet.



posted on Dec, 15 2017 @ 08:06 AM
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a reply to: Ophiuchus 13

To paraphrase Homer Simpson ' Jupiter, in this house we obey the laws of thermodynamics!

My only 'rational' explanation, the perfect storm in the solar system is huge and dense so friction between the molecules is creating friction and therefore generates heat but that doesn't makes much sense.

However my 'fantasy' explanation sounds better-Jupiter is evolving into a brown dwarf, I can't remember the source but I recall someone saying gas giants are pretty much aborted stars.



posted on Dec, 15 2017 @ 08:22 AM
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This does actually tell us something interesting.

You see, we have known that the spot has appeared, from the outside, as being various sizes since its first observations, with some observations from the eighteen hundreds placing it at around 25,500 milles across, all the way till now, when the storm appears to be about 1.3 times the diameter of Earth. It is also becoming more circular than it used to be, and its rate of shrinkage has been recorded as accelerating over the last few years.

But the nature of the gas giant of which it is a part, makes assuming things about its depth, based on the sheer scale of the apparent feature from the outside perspective, absolutely stupid. The only planet about which we have PROPERLY detailed weather information, is our own, a planet which has an atmosphere which is so thin when compared, that the dynamism inherent in it, is not really comparable with that of the Jovian atmosphere, in any but the shallowest of ways. For example, we have no idea whether the individual layers of the Jovian atmosphere, as you go down and down through the gas, behave in the same manner as the layers in our own atmosphere, or, whether they behave rather more robustly, each possessed of clear lines of demarcation between different depths, which could mean that surface features like the Great Red Spot, are just part of the story, rather than features which extend through several layers of the Jovian atmosphere. The circumstances of pressure and the strength of the Coriolis forces at play on Jupiter, are mind boggling to consider, especially since our only experience of weather is the frankly pathetic toing and froing that our own atmosphere produces. Things may be going on inside the gas giant that make a nonsense of the laypersons understanding of how gases behave, for example. It may be that Jupiter has no solid surface, or it may be that gases which have NO business EVER becoming liquid, may be liquid or even solid right at the core of Jupiter, but because we do not know, it makes assuming things about the depth of a storm like the Great Red Spot, amongst other things, utterly impractical.



posted on Dec, 15 2017 @ 08:33 AM
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a reply to: TrueBrit

Hasn't it been said that Jupiter's core may be diamond due to atmospheric pressure?



posted on Dec, 15 2017 @ 08:37 AM
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a reply to: Justoneman

Thank you Justoneman



posted on Dec, 15 2017 @ 08:45 AM
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a reply to: lostbook

Lots of things have been said, lostbook, but the point of the matter is, that it is ALWAYS interesting to get actual data from Jupiter, especially data which probes at the depths of its gaseous hide, giving us insight into that which is otherwise invisible to us. The reason I say that, is because while we can speculate as much as we like, the only thing which actually matters a damn is making firm observations and learning from them, because all the theory in the world does not quite have the same value as actual empirical data.



posted on Dec, 15 2017 @ 08:50 AM
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originally posted by: carewemust

originally posted by: ManFromEurope

originally posted by: carewemust
a reply to: MindBodySpiritComplex


That storm (aka Red Spot) has been stationary in the same position for as long as man has know about it. It's "rooted" to something.



That is not correct. It moves. You can get the position for example from this site: JUPOS - Database for Object Positions on Jupiter.
In fact, the Great Red Spot stays in the same band to the north/south bordered by two high-pressure areas, but does wander around to the west, if I read this diagram correctly. The graph below shows the drift of the Great Red Spot in recent time.


WOW...what I was taught in school was 100% bunk! I guess we can discard the theory that the Red Spot is connected to some surface eruption.


You may have been taught "It has been there for centuries" like all of us were taught -- probably with words very similar to that -- but you may have misinterpreted those words to mean "it hasn't moved for centuries".



posted on Dec, 15 2017 @ 08:52 AM
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Sounds like a job for Al Gore. Excelcior!!!




posted on Dec, 15 2017 @ 09:11 AM
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a reply to: Ophiuchus 13

Perhaps we are witnessing the birth of a star? Kind a scary thought, isn't it? If that ball of gas ignites we may become a 2 star solar system



posted on Dec, 15 2017 @ 09:16 AM
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Where's Al Gore?

We need to send him on a rocket ship over there to get all the Aliens to stop burning up all the fossil fuels.



posted on Dec, 15 2017 @ 10:08 AM
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The reason this is unlikely to occur, is the same reason that this is not a binary star system in the first place. Jupiter lacked the mass necessary to become a star when it formed, and that status still applies to it.

It simply is not large enough in terms of mass, to cause the helium, hydrogen reaction necessary for fusion to occur. Unless it absorbed a significant mass by some means, this status is not going to change. Its not as if time is a factor, or as if it is building up to the thing. Its simple. The thing has not got the mass required, and it will not have tomorrow, or the day after that, or the month, year, decade or century after that. Its a gas giant, and so it shall remain, unless something delivers a significant mass, one we would know about the arrival of in system, WELL before it ever started having an effect on Jupiter.



posted on Dec, 15 2017 @ 10:27 AM
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originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: lostbook

Lots of things have been said, lostbook, but the point of the matter is, that it is ALWAYS interesting to get actual data from Jupiter, especially data which probes at the depths of its gaseous hide, giving us insight into that which is otherwise invisible to us. The reason I say that, is because while we can speculate as much as we like, the only thing which actually matters a damn is making firm observations and learning from them, because all the theory in the world does not quite have the same value as actual empirical data.


Well said. I think now we need a mission to Jupiter, pronto. Oh, wait a minute.... isn't Juno on its way there now?



posted on Dec, 15 2017 @ 10:43 AM
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I am pretty sure that Juno is already in orbit.

Yeah, its due to do a swan dive at the end of February next year.



posted on Dec, 15 2017 @ 12:15 PM
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a reply to: carewemust

no. just no
this is like saying the earth is flat



posted on Dec, 15 2017 @ 12:17 PM
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this is very odd indeed
we have solved the mistery of the red spot, however we have opened another mistery
if they dont find any other heat point, is it safe to say aliens?



posted on Dec, 15 2017 @ 12:24 PM
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around 25,500 milles across, all the way till now, when the storm appears to be about 1.3 times the diameter of Earth


The diameter of Earth is 12,742 km, just saying....




posted on Dec, 15 2017 @ 12:35 PM
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a reply to: Ophiuchus 13

Maybe it's a giant smoke stack.

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