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FCC votes to repeal net neutrality rules, a milestone for Republican deregulation push

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posted on Dec, 15 2017 @ 03:41 PM
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originally posted by: CajunMetal
No one who grew up with commercial breaks is not going to let Congress keep their seat next year.


Yeah, those dreaded commercials that paid for the production and operating costs while providing profit to the owners/shareholders. It's too bad the government didn't step in and subsidize TV for us so we didn't have to endure those engines of the economy. We would've gladly paid more taxes and been ignorant about what products stocked the shelves at the local grocers in exchange for break-free program binging.




posted on Dec, 15 2017 @ 04:03 PM
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a reply to: primus2012

The commercials worked until Netflix came up with a better business model, one that somehow cost only $10 a month, without commercials, and allowed people to stream whatever they wanted, whenever they wanted. How were they so successful? My bet is by not screwing the customer over.

I don't know much about cable companies since I have never had cable, but it looks like they offer tiered packages that require anywhere from $14 for basic cable to $120 for the top tier package, and this is in addition to having to watch ads.

The cable companies should get with the times instead of trying to manipulate the market. How will they try to manipulate the market without net neutrality? Well, since some cable companies also own the internet pipelines, they can throttle or even shut down their competition instead of evolving with the times.



posted on Dec, 15 2017 @ 04:20 PM
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Wow... I can't believe the shallow retardation some of you show in support of internet socialism. Net Neutrality was a BLOCKER, you idiots, it was never designed for you, the consumer. It was designed to CAP your information processing speed... don't you realize this? The definition is so simple, I can see why it's almost unimaginable to see it any other way.

Some of you have the absolute most horribly stupid comments, especially since 99% of you don't even know WTF it is you're talking about. Net Neutrality was #ing internet SOCIALISM, in a way. You don't get it and most of you are probably so enraged (but confused, because your left-wing, low-IQ, brain process-inhibiting, democratic party cheerleading, bought and paid for media wants you to remain ignorant to the FACTS) that you probably won't even bother trying to process what the possibilities are now WITHOUT Net Neutrality blocking your way.

Do you know how illegal it is to pay a business to prevent traffic going to another business? Do you know how many laws protect your consumer rights to go to any business you please? This is the same on the internet, "Business A" cannot pay "Business B" to prevent access to "Business C" ... That is 100% illegal.

The ONLY thing, and this is the beauty of Capitalism, is IF "Business A" is willing to pay "Business B" for a better flow, a nicer street, a nice sidewalk, a more streamlined expericence to "Business A" ... so that "Business C" needs to KEEP UP if they can!

Read it this way... it also applies to information flow on the internet. Sidewalks and streets and all.



posted on Dec, 15 2017 @ 04:29 PM
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originally posted by: darkbake
a reply to: primus2012

The commercials worked until Netflix came up with a better business model, one that somehow cost only $10 a month, without commercials, and allowed people to stream whatever they wanted, whenever they wanted. How were they so successful? My bet is by not screwing the customer over.

I don't know much about cable companies since I have never had cable, but it looks like they offer tiered packages that require anywhere from $14 for basic cable to $120 for the top tier package, and this is in addition to having to watch ads.

The cable companies should get with the times instead of trying to manipulate the market. How will they try to manipulate the market without net neutrality? Well, since some cable companies also own the internet pipelines, they can throttle or even shut down their competition instead of evolving with the times.



Netflix was consumer driven capitalism that gave the customers what they want.
Comcast and so on are lobbyists and monopoly driven crony capitalism that tell customers what they get.



posted on Dec, 15 2017 @ 04:32 PM
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a reply to: jacobe001

Good point, I agree.



posted on Dec, 15 2017 @ 04:32 PM
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originally posted by: primus2012

originally posted by: CajunMetal
No one who grew up with commercial breaks is not going to let Congress keep their seat next year.


Yeah, those dreaded commercials that paid for the production and operating costs while providing profit to the owners/shareholders. It's too bad the government didn't step in and subsidize TV for us so we didn't have to endure those engines of the economy. We would've gladly paid more taxes and been ignorant about what products stocked the shelves at the local grocers in exchange for break-free program binging.



Did capitalism ever exist before shareholders came onto the scene?
Our country was built on family based capitalism where they expanded based on savings and did not owe anything to the banks or wall street.



posted on Dec, 15 2017 @ 04:33 PM
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a reply to: trollz

ATS will get a revised bill from it's ISP in the next few months.

Pay-up or meet our slow lane.

Us posters will get an apologetic thread from SO explaining that heavy advertising and pop-ups are now for everyone, not just unregistered visitors.



posted on Dec, 15 2017 @ 04:38 PM
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originally posted by: soberbacchus
a reply to: trollz

ATS will get a revised bill from it's ISP in the next few months.

Pay-up or meet our slow lane.

Us posters will get an apologetic thread from SO explaining that heavy advertising and pop-ups are now for everyone, not just unregistered visitors.



And your bill to your ISP will remain the same if you do not upgrade.
I have never seen the savings passed onto the customer and prices dropped.

Business exist to make a profit and will charge what the rigged "market" will bare.



posted on Dec, 15 2017 @ 04:41 PM
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a reply to: jacobe001




And your bill to your ISP will remain the same if you do not upgrade.
And ATS will still be slow for you. If it's there at all.



posted on Dec, 15 2017 @ 04:58 PM
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Well here's a thought.

Since everyone hates ISP providers spend more time reading books, or doing other things that don't require spending hundreds of hours on your smart phone,tablet,computer, and television.

Internet is a utility!

That's a special kind of SNOWFLAKE.


edit on 15-12-2017 by neo96 because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 15 2017 @ 05:17 PM
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originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: jacobe001




And your bill to your ISP will remain the same if you do not upgrade.
And ATS will still be slow for you. If it's there at all.


That is where the new and improved flashy package comes into place where you can access more!
It will be great. The marketing geniuses will tell you how great it is with the "options" the ISP companies have prepared for you. For just 20 dollars more, you can access your old favorite sites and for 40 dollars more, we offer the premium package where you can stream to your hearts content.



posted on Dec, 15 2017 @ 05:21 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
Well here's a thought.

Since everyone hates ISP providers spend more time reading books, or doing other things that don't require spending hundreds of hours on your smart phone,tablet,computer, and television.

Internet is a utility!

That's a special kind of SNOWFLAKE.




Does this mean we get to bring back Bank Tellers for people that do not want to pay the extra cost for banking online?
Does this mean we get to bring back thousands of paper pushers in exchange for data centers across the country?

Do you have stock in horse and buggy companies by chance?



posted on Dec, 15 2017 @ 06:17 PM
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This is a nightmare!
edit on 15-12-2017 by Staroth because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 15 2017 @ 06:22 PM
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a reply to: jacobe001

How do you feel about google? and its massiveness and what they do?



posted on Dec, 15 2017 @ 07:16 PM
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You do realize we have been living with Obama's net neutrality since 2015 right?

So before 2015, you are saying that the internet was horrible. Were you this upset before 2015? I doubt it.

The point is by getting rid of this so called net neutrality, we are going back to before 2015. Before government wanted full control. You do realize that net neutrality is government internet socialism right? What good has the government done once it takes over an industry? Answer....nothing. All the major advances in the internet and all the websites you use today like Netflix, Amazon and eBay all came into existence and flourished BEFORE 2015.

Bottom line: It's a good thing "net neutrality" is gone. Don't let the government near anything unless you want it destroyed.



posted on Dec, 15 2017 @ 08:20 PM
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originally posted by: JDmOKI
a reply to: Jiggly

I agree as an independent voter who voted for Obama twice net neutrality was one of the few things I actually supported fully.

Republicans are gonna piss off a whole Lotta people if they allow this to stand


It's probably to lead to a lot of legal tussling between lawyers as they fight it out. If ISP's get pushy and start trying to charge media companies for carrying data, they might just find themselves cut off altogether (like the Virgin Media vs. Sky dispute). Users are also cutting the cable cord.

At the same time now, residents are getting fed up of the cable company monopolies and are building their own mesh networks:

motherboard.vice.com...



posted on Dec, 15 2017 @ 08:29 PM
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a reply to: WhatTheory
JFC,Do you realize why that it was implemented in 2015?It was because the ISP'S i.e verizon in 2014 were starting to throttle their customers..www.extremetech.com...Get educated...



posted on Dec, 15 2017 @ 08:36 PM
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a reply to: greydaze

Right, because there is no throttling now. Wow!
That was a lame attempt to change the argument. If this "net neutrality" had been given more time for the government to take over, everybody would have slow throttled service. Stop being naive.
edit on 12/15/2017 by WhatTheory because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 15 2017 @ 09:38 PM
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originally posted by: trollz
Well, freedom has been nice and all while it lasted...
But we've just entered the age where companies get to decide what you can and can't see. Have a favorite website? Not anymore, your ISP gets paid more by its competitors to block it from you. Government doesn't want you getting your news from non-approved sources? No more news for you, now it's blocked. Like watching videos on your favorite streaming site? Nope. Sure, the website might not be blocked, but it'll take you 30 minutes to load 2 minutes of that video in 360p resolution since it's not part of your paid package.

Enjoy ATS while you can.
First off, the new rule just got the government out of the internet business...The idea is less government control, not more...This net neutrality thing has been in business for only two years...The avalanche of problems you predict are going to happen didn't exist two years ago before Obama's net neutrality...What makes you think they are going to start now???



posted on Dec, 15 2017 @ 09:40 PM
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originally posted by: WhatTheory
a reply to: greydaze

Right, because there is no throttling now. Wow!
That was a lame attempt to change the argument. If this "net neutrality" had been given more time for the government to take over, everybody would have slow throttled service. Stop being naive.
Exactly...And with Obama giving control of the 'neutral net' to the UN, can anyone imagine the throttling that would have been done in the future???



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