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May loses Commons Brexit Vote

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posted on Dec, 13 2017 @ 03:35 PM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: justwokeup

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: justwokeup

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: justwokeup
A gigantic and resounding 'screw you' to every one of the 17 million that voted for Brexit. I bet those Brexit Labour voters feel pretty mugged right about now.

With every twist and turn of the reverse the result saga public faith in the system crashes a little lower, divisions deepen, anger rises.


This is parliament using it's soverign powers. It's exactly what the leave campaign claimed the vote was for.


To subvert the vote. There was no 'pass the matter to MPs to think about instead' option on the ballot. This is a clear attempt by those opposed to the ref result to subvert. Claims otherwise fool nobody.


This is a vote on how we leave the EU, not wether we do. It's parliamentary democracy in action. Unless you think May should have unlimited final say?


It's a deliberate attempt to weaken the UK's negotiating position with a view to watering Brexit down to effectively not Brexit. Which is why Verhofstad is now openly gloating on Twitter. Free hand to give a terrible deal knowing the pm will be stabbed in the front by labour and in the back by the likes of Soubrey. It's transparent shenanigans against the vote in the ref and again, nobody is fooled.


So do you think this should be Mays decision and not parliaments then ?


The decision was made in the ref. It is the job of the government to implement that decision. So yes. If the matter was not to be decided by direct public vote it should not have been put to one. It was.

Nobody would have expected a yes vote in the Scot indy ref to be subverted in UK parliament to a No vote if yes had won it. This is reckless. Giving the public the choice and then subverting it in thier face is dangerous.




posted on Dec, 13 2017 @ 03:39 PM
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originally posted by: justwokeup

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: justwokeup

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: justwokeup

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: justwokeup
A gigantic and resounding 'screw you' to every one of the 17 million that voted for Brexit. I bet those Brexit Labour voters feel pretty mugged right about now.

With every twist and turn of the reverse the result saga public faith in the system crashes a little lower, divisions deepen, anger rises.


This is parliament using it's soverign powers. It's exactly what the leave campaign claimed the vote was for.


To subvert the vote. There was no 'pass the matter to MPs to think about instead' option on the ballot. This is a clear attempt by those opposed to the ref result to subvert. Claims otherwise fool nobody.


This is a vote on how we leave the EU, not wether we do. It's parliamentary democracy in action. Unless you think May should have unlimited final say?


It's a deliberate attempt to weaken the UK's negotiating position with a view to watering Brexit down to effectively not Brexit. Which is why Verhofstad is now openly gloating on Twitter. Free hand to give a terrible deal knowing the pm will be stabbed in the front by labour and in the back by the likes of Soubrey. It's transparent shenanigans against the vote in the ref and again, nobody is fooled.


So do you think this should be Mays decision and not parliaments then ?


The decision was made in the ref. It is the job of the government to implement that decision. So yes. If the matter was not to be decided by direct public vote it should not have been put to one. It was.

Nobody would have expected a yes vote in the Scot indy ref to be subverted in UK parliament to a No vote if yes had won it. This is reckless. Giving the public the choice and then subverting it in thier face is dangerous.


.what part of this vote stops us leaving the EU?



posted on Dec, 13 2017 @ 03:42 PM
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Bye bye may. You won’t be missed.....



posted on Dec, 13 2017 @ 03:44 PM
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originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
Bye bye may. You won’t be missed.....


If we get Boris you might regret saying that..



posted on Dec, 13 2017 @ 03:46 PM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: justwokeup

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: justwokeup

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: justwokeup

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: justwokeup
A gigantic and resounding 'screw you' to every one of the 17 million that voted for Brexit. I bet those Brexit Labour voters feel pretty mugged right about now.

With every twist and turn of the reverse the result saga public faith in the system crashes a little lower, divisions deepen, anger rises.


This is parliament using it's soverign powers. It's exactly what the leave campaign claimed the vote was for.


To subvert the vote. There was no 'pass the matter to MPs to think about instead' option on the ballot. This is a clear attempt by those opposed to the ref result to subvert. Claims otherwise fool nobody.


This is a vote on how we leave the EU, not wether we do. It's parliamentary democracy in action. Unless you think May should have unlimited final say?


It's a deliberate attempt to weaken the UK's negotiating position with a view to watering Brexit down to effectively not Brexit. Which is why Verhofstad is now openly gloating on Twitter. Free hand to give a terrible deal knowing the pm will be stabbed in the front by labour and in the back by the likes of Soubrey. It's transparent shenanigans against the vote in the ref and again, nobody is fooled.


So do you think this should be Mays decision and not parliaments then ?


The decision was made in the ref. It is the job of the government to implement that decision. So yes. If the matter was not to be decided by direct public vote it should not have been put to one. It was.

Nobody would have expected a yes vote in the Scot indy ref to be subverted in UK parliament to a No vote if yes had won it. This is reckless. Giving the public the choice and then subverting it in thier face is dangerous.




.what part of this vote stops us leaving the EU?


Dealt with in a previous post. It's all about ensuring the worst possible deal. Then it'll be an extension to the negotiating period to allow further concessions on and on until it's a sham.

If we enter the realm as it appears where no referendum result need to respected in good faith it's a new one for us all.
edit on 13-12-2017 by justwokeup because: Format error.



posted on Dec, 13 2017 @ 03:50 PM
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originally posted by: justwokeup

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: justwokeup

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: justwokeup

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: justwokeup

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: justwokeup
A gigantic and resounding 'screw you' to every one of the 17 million that voted for Brexit. I bet those Brexit Labour voters feel pretty mugged right about now.

With every twist and turn of the reverse the result saga public faith in the system crashes a little lower, divisions deepen, anger rises.


This is parliament using it's soverign powers. It's exactly what the leave campaign claimed the vote was for.


To subvert the vote. There was no 'pass the matter to MPs to think about instead' option on the ballot. This is a clear attempt by those opposed to the ref result to subvert. Claims otherwise fool nobody.


This is a vote on how we leave the EU, not wether we do. It's parliamentary democracy in action. Unless you think May should have unlimited final say?


It's a deliberate attempt to weaken the UK's negotiating position with a view to watering Brexit down to effectively not Brexit. Which is why Verhofstad is now openly gloating on Twitter. Free hand to give a terrible deal knowing the pm will be stabbed in the front by labour and in the back by the likes of Soubrey. It's transparent shenanigans against the vote in the ref and again, nobody is fooled.


So do you think this should be Mays decision and not parliaments then ?


The decision was made in the ref. It is the job of the government to implement that decision. So yes. If the matter was not to be decided by direct public vote it should not have been put to one. It was.

Nobody would have expected a yes vote in the Scot indy ref to be subverted in UK parliament to a No vote if yes had won it. This is reckless. Giving the public the choice and then subverting it in thier face is dangerous.




.what part of this vote stops us leaving the EU?


Dealt with in a previous post. It's all about ensuring the worst possible deal. Then it'll be an extension to the negotiating period to allow further concessions on and on until it's a sham.

If we enter the realm as it appears where no referendum result need to respected in good faith it's a new one for us all.


No it's about parliament ( not the government) having final say on the most important change to the UK in decades.



posted on Dec, 13 2017 @ 03:53 PM
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So you agree then that UK parliament as a whole should always trump referendum results?



posted on Dec, 13 2017 @ 03:55 PM
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originally posted by: justwokeup
So you agree then that UK parliament as a whole should always trump referendum results?


Referendums have no legal or constitutional authority in the UK. However that is irrelevant as we are leaving the EU, this us just about how.



posted on Dec, 13 2017 @ 03:59 PM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
Bye bye may. You won’t be missed.....


If we get Boris you might regret saying that..


Rees Mogg must feel so close to Number Ten tonight that he can taste it.



posted on Dec, 13 2017 @ 04:02 PM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: justwokeup
So you agree then that UK parliament as a whole should always trump referendum results?


Referendums have no legal or constitutional authority in the UK. However that is irrelevant as we are leaving the EU, this us just about how.


Why did we have that funny ref thing a few years ago, has anybody told the scotnats they cant leave no matter how many refs they win as it's not binding. Lol. If they win maybe they'll get chucked some more Devo instead.

No it's about whether we leave as voted for or whether it's undone by degrees.

Previous referendum results were respected. That was the precedent. If this one isn't that's the new precedent. I don't think it's a good one.



posted on Dec, 13 2017 @ 04:02 PM
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originally posted by: CulturalResilience

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
Bye bye may. You won’t be missed.....


If we get Boris you might regret saying that..


Rees Mogg must feel so close to Number Ten tonight that he can taste it.


Thanks for that thought. Now I can wake up screaming in the middle of the night.



posted on Dec, 13 2017 @ 04:03 PM
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originally posted by: CulturalResilience
More bad news for the embattled P.M. This could be the end for her. A rebellion among her own back benchers and some on the front bench as well it seems. Her very shakey Premiership may not stand this blow. A leadership change may come very soon, she might not even last the week.



She's been on borrowed time since the results came in from the early General Election.

I won't be sad to see her go.

Roll on the next general election sp we can be rid of the Tories for a few years.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out love...



posted on Dec, 13 2017 @ 04:04 PM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: justwokeup
A gigantic and resounding 'screw you' to every one of the 17 million that voted for Brexit. I bet those Brexit Labour voters feel pretty mugged right about now.

With every twist and turn of the reverse the result saga public faith in the system crashes a little lower, divisions deepen, anger rises.


This is parliament using it's soverign powers. It's exactly what the leave campaign claimed the vote was for.


What powers are those?
The power to follow the lead of the EU from afar?
The power to not be leaders in the world?
The power of the sheep to let the wolves run the show?

Yeah, way to use those hard earned powers to do nothing but the will of the EU (still). Brexit was a farce from what I am seeing here. Merely a useless attempt to pacify the majority that voted out of the EU, while still retaining the same level of control and overbearing laws. I'll bet when the EU passing some new law, the UK will be right behind them to pass the SAME law.

Face it, you all were duped and are destined to be Europe's bitch.

HAHAHAHAA.........



posted on Dec, 13 2017 @ 04:04 PM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: CulturalResilience

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
Bye bye may. You won’t be missed.....


If we get Boris you might regret saying that..


Rees Mogg must feel so close to Number Ten tonight that he can taste it.


Thanks for that thought. Now I can wake up screaming in the middle of the night.


Yeah no kidding. Hope for the best, but be prepared for the worst.



posted on Dec, 13 2017 @ 04:08 PM
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originally posted by: CulturalResilience

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
Bye bye may. You won’t be missed.....


If we get Boris you might regret saying that..


Rees Mogg must feel so close to Number Ten tonight that he can taste it.


Words cannot express the loathing I feel for Rees-Mogg. The man is an inflexible lunatic.



posted on Dec, 13 2017 @ 04:09 PM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: CulturalResilience

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: OtherSideOfTheCoin
Bye bye may. You won’t be missed.....


If we get Boris you might regret saying that..


Rees Mogg must feel so close to Number Ten tonight that he can taste it.


Thanks for that thought. Now I can wake up screaming in the middle of the night.


Seconded with added nausea.



posted on Dec, 13 2017 @ 04:10 PM
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I find the Brexiteers position that this is an insult to them astonishing.

They tell us they voted for Brexit in order to bring back control over our country to Westminster.

This vote was about our parliament at Westminster demanding to have control over our country. Instead of being dictated to by a Prime Minister using Henry VIII clauses to rule by dictat.


This vote tonight is exactly what you said you wanted when you voted for Brexit.

Unless, maybe, the real reason you voted for Brexit is just because you're a racist and you want immigrants out.



posted on Dec, 13 2017 @ 04:10 PM
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originally posted by: yorkshirelad

Parliament will now get a say in whether the disaster favours the rich millionaire Brexiters (Farage, Gove, Johnson et al) or be tempered to protect ordinary UK folks



This is good news, well potentially anyway. Unfortunately Parliament is made up of rich elitists, surely they'll look after themselves instead of us?

I wish I shared your enthusiasm mate.

You and ScepticScot have been making a lot of sense thus far though...



posted on Dec, 13 2017 @ 04:11 PM
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originally posted by: Krakatoa

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: justwokeup
A gigantic and resounding 'screw you' to every one of the 17 million that voted for Brexit. I bet those Brexit Labour voters feel pretty mugged right about now.

With every twist and turn of the reverse the result saga public faith in the system crashes a little lower, divisions deepen, anger rises.


This is parliament using it's soverign powers. It's exactly what the leave campaign claimed the vote was for.


What powers are those?
The power to follow the lead of the EU from afar?
The power to not be leaders in the world?
The power of the sheep to let the wolves run the show?

Yeah, way to use those hard earned powers to do nothing but the will of the EU (still). Brexit was a farce from what I am seeing here. Merely a useless attempt to pacify the majority that voted out of the EU, while still retaining the same level of control and overbearing laws. I'll bet when the EU passing some new law, the UK will be right behind them to pass the SAME law.

Face it, you all were duped and are destined to be Europe's bitch.

HAHAHAHAA.........


The UK is leaving the EU ( for better or worse). This is about who gets to decide the terms of leaving, the government or parliament.


edit on 13-12-2017 by ScepticScot because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 13 2017 @ 04:12 PM
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originally posted by: Krakatoa

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: justwokeup
A gigantic and resounding 'screw you' to every one of the 17 million that voted for Brexit. I bet those Brexit Labour voters feel pretty mugged right about now.

With every twist and turn of the reverse the result saga public faith in the system crashes a little lower, divisions deepen, anger rises.


This is parliament using it's soverign powers. It's exactly what the leave campaign claimed the vote was for.


What powers are those?
The power to follow the lead of the EU from afar?
The power to not be leaders in the world?
The power of the sheep to let the wolves run the show?

Yeah, way to use those hard earned powers to do nothing but the will of the EU (still). Brexit was a farce from what I am seeing here. Merely a useless attempt to pacify the majority that voted out of the EU, while still retaining the same level of control and overbearing laws. I'll bet when the EU passing some new law, the UK will be right behind them to pass the SAME law.

Face it, you all were duped and are destined to be Europe's bitch.

HAHAHAHAA.........



Your finding that so very amusing potrays you as being as bad as the ones in the positions of power. I bet every contributor to this thread would be interested to hear what you think that says about the sort of person you are.
edit on 13-12-2017 by CulturalResilience because: (no reason given)



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