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May loses Commons Brexit Vote

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posted on Dec, 13 2017 @ 02:09 PM
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More bad news for the embattled P.M. This could be the end for her. A rebellion among her own back benchers and some on the front bench as well it seems. Her very shakey Premiership may not stand this blow. A leadership change may come very soon, she might not even last the week.

I'll go out on a limb and predict an imminent resignation/Leadership Challenge.

www.bbc.co.uk...
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posted on Dec, 13 2017 @ 02:14 PM
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Well, democracy at work.

The people who voted for, and against were a mix of all parties, with the exception of the Scottish Nationalists where their MPs don't get to debate outside of their narrow worldview.

This means that the Government will need to consider a wider opinion, that's all. Running with May's resignation is rather dramatic.



posted on Dec, 13 2017 @ 02:18 PM
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a reply to: paraphi

I disagree with your last line. I think a Leadership Challenge is all but unavoidable in light of this, but Ill concede if I am proved incorrect.
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posted on Dec, 13 2017 @ 02:26 PM
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originally posted by: paraphi
Well, democracy at work.

The people who voted for, and against were a mix of all parties, with the exception of the Scottish Nationalists where their MPs don't get to debate outside of their narrow worldview.

This means that the Government will need to consider a wider opinion, that's all. Running with May's resignation is rather dramatic.


Only two labour MPs voted with the Tory/ DUP.

Otherwise every party and all the independents voted for the amendment.



posted on Dec, 13 2017 @ 02:31 PM
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a reply to: CulturalResilience


Its effects include ending the supremacy of EU law and copying existing EU law into UK law, so that the same rules and regulations apply on Brexit day.


From your source, so in other words May is a globalist shill willing to pretend to uphold the vote to leave the EU yet signed on to still lose your sovereignty to the EU? Did I get that right?

If so kick her to the curb! Regain your freedom from the EU!


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posted on Dec, 13 2017 @ 02:34 PM
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a reply to: seeker1963

The whole thing is one big clusterf€¥k.



posted on Dec, 13 2017 @ 02:34 PM
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A gigantic and resounding 'screw you' to every one of the 17 million that voted for Brexit. I bet those Brexit Labour voters feel pretty mugged right about now.

With every twist and turn of the reverse the result saga public faith in the system crashes a little lower, divisions deepen, anger rises.



posted on Dec, 13 2017 @ 02:44 PM
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originally posted by: seeker1963
a reply to: CulturalResilience


Its effects include ending the supremacy of EU law and copying existing EU law into UK law, so that the same rules and regulations apply on Brexit day.


From your source, so in other words May is a globalist shill willing to pretend to uphold the vote to leave the EU yet signed on to still lose your sovereignty to the EU? Did I get that right?

If so kick her to the curb! Regain your freedom from the EU!



EU law is intertwined in a huge amount of UK law over the last 40 years.

It would be impossible to rewrite or write new laws in the time frame so the bill simply existing EU law UK law.

No globalist conspiracy required.



posted on Dec, 13 2017 @ 02:47 PM
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originally posted by: justwokeup
A gigantic and resounding 'screw you' to every one of the 17 million that voted for Brexit. I bet those Brexit Labour voters feel pretty mugged right about now.

With every twist and turn of the reverse the result saga public faith in the system crashes a little lower, divisions deepen, anger rises.


This is parliament using it's soverign powers. It's exactly what the leave campaign claimed the vote was for.



posted on Dec, 13 2017 @ 02:48 PM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: justwokeup
A gigantic and resounding 'screw you' to every one of the 17 million that voted for Brexit. I bet those Brexit Labour voters feel pretty mugged right about now.

With every twist and turn of the reverse the result saga public faith in the system crashes a little lower, divisions deepen, anger rises.


This is parliament using it's soverign powers. It's exactly what the leave campaign claimed the vote was for.


Interesting Point.



posted on Dec, 13 2017 @ 02:52 PM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: justwokeup
A gigantic and resounding 'screw you' to every one of the 17 million that voted for Brexit. I bet those Brexit Labour voters feel pretty mugged right about now.

With every twist and turn of the reverse the result saga public faith in the system crashes a little lower, divisions deepen, anger rises.


This is parliament using it's soverign powers. It's exactly what the leave campaign claimed the vote was for.


To subvert the vote. There was no 'pass the matter to MPs to think about instead' option on the ballot. This is a clear attempt by those opposed to the ref result to subvert. Claims otherwise fool nobody.



posted on Dec, 13 2017 @ 02:53 PM
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Ah, the Maybot's bad luck, poor planning and non-existent leadership skills on full display again.
Seriously, this is yet more proof that May can't lead her way out of a wet paper bag again.



posted on Dec, 13 2017 @ 02:57 PM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: seeker1963
a reply to: CulturalResilience


Its effects include ending the supremacy of EU law and copying existing EU law into UK law, so that the same rules and regulations apply on Brexit day.


From your source, so in other words May is a globalist shill willing to pretend to uphold the vote to leave the EU yet signed on to still lose your sovereignty to the EU? Did I get that right?

If so kick her to the curb! Regain your freedom from the EU!



EU law is intertwined in a huge amount of UK law over the last 40 years.

It would be impossible to rewrite or write new laws in the time frame so the bill simply existing EU law UK law.

No globalist conspiracy required.


So no sovereignty then? Sounds pretty insane to me to be ruled by people you can't vote for.
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posted on Dec, 13 2017 @ 03:00 PM
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originally posted by: justwokeup

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: justwokeup
A gigantic and resounding 'screw you' to every one of the 17 million that voted for Brexit. I bet those Brexit Labour voters feel pretty mugged right about now.

With every twist and turn of the reverse the result saga public faith in the system crashes a little lower, divisions deepen, anger rises.


This is parliament using it's soverign powers. It's exactly what the leave campaign claimed the vote was for.


To subvert the vote. There was no 'pass the matter to MPs to think about instead' option on the ballot. This is a clear attempt by those opposed to the ref result to subvert. Claims otherwise fool nobody.


This is a vote on how we leave the EU, not wether we do. It's parliamentary democracy in action. Unless you think May should have unlimited final say?



posted on Dec, 13 2017 @ 03:01 PM
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originally posted by: seeker1963

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: seeker1963
a reply to: CulturalResilience


Its effects include ending the supremacy of EU law and copying existing EU law into UK law, so that the same rules and regulations apply on Brexit day.


From your source, so in other words May is a globalist shill willing to pretend to uphold the vote to leave the EU yet signed on to still lose your sovereignty to the EU? Did I get that right?

If so kick her to the curb! Regain your freedom from the EU!



EU law is intertwined in a huge amount of UK law over the last 40 years.

It would be impossible to rewrite or write new laws in the time frame so the bill simply existing EU law UK law.

No globalist conspiracy required.


So no sovereignty then? Sounds pretty insane to me to be ruled by people you can't vote for.


Nope not what it means at all. Read the section you quoted again.



posted on Dec, 13 2017 @ 03:18 PM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: justwokeup

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: justwokeup
A gigantic and resounding 'screw you' to every one of the 17 million that voted for Brexit. I bet those Brexit Labour voters feel pretty mugged right about now.

With every twist and turn of the reverse the result saga public faith in the system crashes a little lower, divisions deepen, anger rises.


This is parliament using it's soverign powers. It's exactly what the leave campaign claimed the vote was for.


To subvert the vote. There was no 'pass the matter to MPs to think about instead' option on the ballot. This is a clear attempt by those opposed to the ref result to subvert. Claims otherwise fool nobody.


This is a vote on how we leave the EU, not wether we do. It's parliamentary democracy in action. Unless you think May should have unlimited final say?


It's a deliberate attempt to weaken the UK's negotiating position with a view to watering Brexit down to effectively not Brexit. Which is why Verhofstad is now openly gloating on Twitter. Free hand to give a terrible deal knowing the pm will be stabbed in the front by labour and in the back by the likes of Soubrey. It's transparent shenanigans against the vote in the ref and again, nobody is fooled.



posted on Dec, 13 2017 @ 03:21 PM
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originally posted by: justwokeup

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: justwokeup

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: justwokeup
A gigantic and resounding 'screw you' to every one of the 17 million that voted for Brexit. I bet those Brexit Labour voters feel pretty mugged right about now.

With every twist and turn of the reverse the result saga public faith in the system crashes a little lower, divisions deepen, anger rises.


This is parliament using it's soverign powers. It's exactly what the leave campaign claimed the vote was for.


To subvert the vote. There was no 'pass the matter to MPs to think about instead' option on the ballot. This is a clear attempt by those opposed to the ref result to subvert. Claims otherwise fool nobody.


This is a vote on how we leave the EU, not wether we do. It's parliamentary democracy in action. Unless you think May should have unlimited final say?


It's a deliberate attempt to weaken the UK's negotiating position with a view to watering Brexit down to effectively not Brexit. Which is why Verhofstad is now openly gloating on Twitter. Free hand to give a terrible deal knowing the pm will be stabbed in the front by labour and in the back by the likes of Soubrey. It's transparent shenanigans against the vote in the ref and again, nobody is fooled.


So do you think this should be Mays decision and not parliaments then ?



posted on Dec, 13 2017 @ 03:22 PM
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originally posted by: seeker1963
a reply to: CulturalResilience


Its effects include ending the supremacy of EU law and copying existing EU law into UK law, so that the same rules and regulations apply on Brexit day.


From your source, so in other words May is a globalist shill willing to pretend to uphold the vote to leave the EU yet signed on to still lose your sovereignty to the EU? Did I get that right?

If so kick her to the curb! Regain your freedom from the EU!


That's utter BS, good god if your understanding of this vote in any way reflects your understanding of the EU before the referendum then you cleafly voted out of ignorance (and that's me being kind).

This vote today is about the Parliament having the final vote on legislation that covers the withdrawel from EU and the terms of that withdrawel. Quite how you brexiteers can be upset about our own parliament having a vote on our legislation as opposed to dictated by a handful of Tory MP's is totally hypocritical.



posted on Dec, 13 2017 @ 03:25 PM
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originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: justwokeup
A gigantic and resounding 'screw you' to every one of the 17 million that voted for Brexit. I bet those Brexit Labour voters feel pretty mugged right about now.

With every twist and turn of the reverse the result saga public faith in the system crashes a little lower, divisions deepen, anger rises.


This is parliament using it's soverign powers. It's exactly what the leave campaign claimed the vote was for.

Exactly. Well said.



posted on Dec, 13 2017 @ 03:30 PM
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originally posted by: justwokeup

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: justwokeup

originally posted by: ScepticScot

originally posted by: justwokeup
A gigantic and resounding 'screw you' to every one of the 17 million that voted for Brexit. I bet those Brexit Labour voters feel pretty mugged right about now.

With every twist and turn of the reverse the result saga public faith in the system crashes a little lower, divisions deepen, anger rises.


This is parliament using it's soverign powers. It's exactly what the leave campaign claimed the vote was for.


To subvert the vote. There was no 'pass the matter to MPs to think about instead' option on the ballot. This is a clear attempt by those opposed to the ref result to subvert. Claims otherwise fool nobody.


This is a vote on how we leave the EU, not wether we do. It's parliamentary democracy in action. Unless you think May should have unlimited final say?


It's a deliberate attempt to weaken the UK's negotiating position with a view to watering Brexit down to effectively not Brexit. Which is why Verhofstad is now openly gloating on Twitter. Free hand to give a terrible deal knowing the pm will be stabbed in the front by labour and in the back by the likes of Soubrey. It's transparent shenanigans against the vote in the ref and again, nobody is fooled.

BS. We are leaving the EU (unfortunately) but Parliament will now get a say in whether the disaster favours the rich millionaire Brexiters (Farage, Gove, Johnson et al) or be tempered to protect ordinary UK folks from the proverbial which we can all see is heading towards the fan.



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