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originally posted by: nwtrucker
originally posted by: kelbtalfenek
a reply to: nwtrucker
Well I'm not sure why you're saying the wedge got wider...If it had swung the other way, with all of this divisiveness you think the wedge wouldn't have gotten wider?
From what I have read, the Republicans were planning on impeaching Moore if he got elected anyways.
I would think anyone, regardless of political affiliation would be happy to keep Moore out of office until the allegations are settled. Luckily he didn't make it to a national level, in which he would have just used the slush fund already in place to make the allegations "quietly subside."
But in this day an age, a person's political leanings mean more than their character? I don't think so. I'd rather have a man in office with whom I totally disagree than have a man in office whom I cannot respect or look square in the eye.
But maybe that's just me.
Unfortunately, slime politics is the order of the day. From mainstream media on down. Well over 46 million was spent by various groups supporting Jones and under 10 million by the RNC.
Many have suspected the RNC didn't want Moore to win even before these 'timely' accusations appeared.
You can comfortably sit on the high road of character all you want. Without proof it is nothing but slander. Your moral high ground is relegated to swampland in my opinion.
originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: nwtrucker
Lol. Sure if you use fuzzy math it increased.
In reality they left deficits. The increase in revenue sanders tried to mumble were totally taken out of context during the period of recession recovery when interest rates were lowered.
Reagan literally started the big deficit trend by ignoring the imploding s n l scandal.
Maybe you are too young to remember. He also had to raise taxes during this time to increase revenue for ssi.
originally posted by: luthier
a reply to: nwtrucker
Every tax cut since Nixon has created a deficit and large ones.
Congress hasnt balanced a budget in decades. They aren't going to now.
I get it you bought in. The independent analysis of the cuts that have been shown to the public show massive deficits. It's a ponzi scheme.
originally posted by: kelbtalfenek
originally posted by: nwtrucker
originally posted by: kelbtalfenek
a reply to: nwtrucker
Well I'm not sure why you're saying the wedge got wider...If it had swung the other way, with all of this divisiveness you think the wedge wouldn't have gotten wider?
From what I have read, the Republicans were planning on impeaching Moore if he got elected anyways.
I would think anyone, regardless of political affiliation would be happy to keep Moore out of office until the allegations are settled. Luckily he didn't make it to a national level, in which he would have just used the slush fund already in place to make the allegations "quietly subside."
But in this day an age, a person's political leanings mean more than their character? I don't think so. I'd rather have a man in office with whom I totally disagree than have a man in office whom I cannot respect or look square in the eye.
But maybe that's just me.
Unfortunately, slime politics is the order of the day. From mainstream media on down. Well over 46 million was spent by various groups supporting Jones and under 10 million by the RNC.
Many have suspected the RNC didn't want Moore to win even before these 'timely' accusations appeared.
You can comfortably sit on the high road of character all you want. Without proof it is nothing but slander. Your moral high ground is relegated to swampland in my opinion.
Hold your horses mr trucker sir...
Just because slime politics is the order of the day doesn't mean you or I have to go there.
Secondly did I say Moore was guilty? No sir I did not. I mentioned allegations.
But Moore's conduct and preachy BS after the election is proof enough that I don't trust him and I'm happy he didn't win. His moral high ground is relegated to swampland and the lowest horse manure, in my opinion.
originally posted by: nwtrucker
originally posted by: kelbtalfenek
originally posted by: nwtrucker
originally posted by: kelbtalfenek
a reply to: nwtrucker
Well I'm not sure why you're saying the wedge got wider...If it had swung the other way, with all of this divisiveness you think the wedge wouldn't have gotten wider?
From what I have read, the Republicans were planning on impeaching Moore if he got elected anyways.
I would think anyone, regardless of political affiliation would be happy to keep Moore out of office until the allegations are settled. Luckily he didn't make it to a national level, in which he would have just used the slush fund already in place to make the allegations "quietly subside."
But in this day an age, a person's political leanings mean more than their character? I don't think so. I'd rather have a man in office with whom I totally disagree than have a man in office whom I cannot respect or look square in the eye.
But maybe that's just me.
Unfortunately, slime politics is the order of the day. From mainstream media on down. Well over 46 million was spent by various groups supporting Jones and under 10 million by the RNC.
Many have suspected the RNC didn't want Moore to win even before these 'timely' accusations appeared.
You can comfortably sit on the high road of character all you want. Without proof it is nothing but slander. Your moral high ground is relegated to swampland in my opinion.
Hold your horses mr trucker sir...
Just because slime politics is the order of the day doesn't mean you or I have to go there.
Secondly did I say Moore was guilty? No sir I did not. I mentioned allegations.
But Moore's conduct and preachy BS after the election is proof enough that I don't trust him and I'm happy he didn't win. His moral high ground is relegated to swampland and the lowest horse manure, in my opinion.
So you don't the have belief or even suspicion that the timing of this 46(?) million dollar effort- the Alabama Dems sure don't have that kind of money- isn't intended to knock out a critical seat in the control of the Senate?
We have a litany of wack jobs in our Senate. Right across the political spectrum. From McCain right through to the left's representatives. Both parties. Yes?
This is a hatchet job. Pure and simple. I don't know the man and don't presume to judge him....other than his apparent support for issues that I agree with.
Do NOT insult me with 'character'. We have virtually none in D.C. to begin with. To post on this man's character at this juncture, is disingenuous. [/quote
What does Moore have that you like?
The fact he oposes liberty and describes creating a theocracy?
originally posted by: Justoneman
originally posted by: nwtrucker
originally posted by: Justoneman
originally posted by: nwtrucker
originally posted by: Justoneman
originally posted by: olaru12
originally posted by: Spacespider
originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: Spacespider
but, but, Clinton....but, but Obama
Clinton lost and Obama's gone. This obsession with those people isn't helping the Right wing cause even a little bit.
but, but... there where simple no other alternative
There are plenty of other parties in America, thus plenty of alternatives. I'm a proud libertarian. You aren't required to be a sheep and only vote for Dems or Republicans.
There were plenty of candidates with honor and human decency. Trump and Clinton didn't qualify.
But they keep voting D or R and not the others. I don't understand why they keep acting insane "doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome"..
If you think Trump's election is doing the same, then I'd suggest it's not us who doing the same over and over, it's you seeing them the same....over and over....
Trump fits the pattern to break up the R's and the D's by exposing them for the exact fool each of them are. Very few are not selfish fools either working actively or as tools to destroy society and create that NWO. A wild card like Trump is too late I am afraid. He already ran as an R and not as something else so I look for a Libertarian.......
If Trump, as a wild card is already 'too late', then how is it not 'too late' for a Libertarian Party that garners no traction???
Right, too late is too late. What is left is hope that MAYBE, just maybe, someone like a Trump and a wholesale removal of all the idiots in DC based on evidence of their malfeasance will stick. As several on ATS point out the left-right paradigm is a lie and I keep calling the RINO's which are most of the R's out as D's. The two parties vote lockstep and play games to make the citizens think they are different. Rand Paul is different in the Senate and I think Ted Cruz is too but he has flaws for some people on ATS.
originally posted by: nwtrucker
originally posted by: Justoneman
originally posted by: nwtrucker
originally posted by: Justoneman
originally posted by: nwtrucker
originally posted by: Justoneman
originally posted by: olaru12
originally posted by: Spacespider
originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: Spacespider
but, but, Clinton....but, but Obama
Clinton lost and Obama's gone. This obsession with those people isn't helping the Right wing cause even a little bit.
but, but... there where simple no other alternative
There are plenty of other parties in America, thus plenty of alternatives. I'm a proud libertarian. You aren't required to be a sheep and only vote for Dems or Republicans.
There were plenty of candidates with honor and human decency. Trump and Clinton didn't qualify.
But they keep voting D or R and not the others. I don't understand why they keep acting insane "doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome"..
If you think Trump's election is doing the same, then I'd suggest it's not us who doing the same over and over, it's you seeing them the same....over and over....
Trump fits the pattern to break up the R's and the D's by exposing them for the exact fool each of them are. Very few are not selfish fools either working actively or as tools to destroy society and create that NWO. A wild card like Trump is too late I am afraid. He already ran as an R and not as something else so I look for a Libertarian.......
If Trump, as a wild card is already 'too late', then how is it not 'too late' for a Libertarian Party that garners no traction???
Right, too late is too late. What is left is hope that MAYBE, just maybe, someone like a Trump and a wholesale removal of all the idiots in DC based on evidence of their malfeasance will stick. As several on ATS point out the left-right paradigm is a lie and I keep calling the RINO's which are most of the R's out as D's. The two parties vote lockstep and play games to make the citizens think they are different. Rand Paul is different in the Senate and I think Ted Cruz is too but he has flaws for some people on ATS.
In general, I agree. I've seen too much from both that suggests they are both well entrenched into the 'system'. Cruz especially.
I believe both are designed 'safety valves' for those frustrated with the system and parties. They make great speeches on specific issues....those that they know won't change anything based on their speeches...that keeps them as favorites of those that are dissatisfied.
When a real outsider shows up?? Truth revealed. JMO, though.
originally posted by: luthier
originally posted by: nwtrucker
originally posted by: Justoneman
originally posted by: nwtrucker
originally posted by: Justoneman
originally posted by: nwtrucker
originally posted by: Justoneman
originally posted by: olaru12
originally posted by: Spacespider
originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: Spacespider
but, but, Clinton....but, but Obama
Clinton lost and Obama's gone. This obsession with those people isn't helping the Right wing cause even a little bit.
but, but... there where simple no other alternative
There are plenty of other parties in America, thus plenty of alternatives. I'm a proud libertarian. You aren't required to be a sheep and only vote for Dems or Republicans.
There were plenty of candidates with honor and human decency. Trump and Clinton didn't qualify.
But they keep voting D or R and not the others. I don't understand why they keep acting insane "doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome"..
If you think Trump's election is doing the same, then I'd suggest it's not us who doing the same over and over, it's you seeing them the same....over and over....
Trump fits the pattern to break up the R's and the D's by exposing them for the exact fool each of them are. Very few are not selfish fools either working actively or as tools to destroy society and create that NWO. A wild card like Trump is too late I am afraid. He already ran as an R and not as something else so I look for a Libertarian.......
If Trump, as a wild card is already 'too late', then how is it not 'too late' for a Libertarian Party that garners no traction???
Right, too late is too late. What is left is hope that MAYBE, just maybe, someone like a Trump and a wholesale removal of all the idiots in DC based on evidence of their malfeasance will stick. As several on ATS point out the left-right paradigm is a lie and I keep calling the RINO's which are most of the R's out as D's. The two parties vote lockstep and play games to make the citizens think they are different. Rand Paul is different in the Senate and I think Ted Cruz is too but he has flaws for some people on ATS.
In general, I agree. I've seen too much from both that suggests they are both well entrenched into the 'system'. Cruz especially.
I believe both are designed 'safety valves' for those frustrated with the system and parties. They make great speeches on specific issues....those that they know won't change anything based on their speeches...that keeps them as favorites of those that are dissatisfied.
When a real outsider shows up?? Truth revealed. JMO, though.
Perhaps you should examine both of the Pauls voting records and what bills they work on.
originally posted by: nwtrucker
originally posted by: luthier
originally posted by: nwtrucker
originally posted by: Justoneman
originally posted by: nwtrucker
originally posted by: Justoneman
originally posted by: nwtrucker
originally posted by: Justoneman
originally posted by: olaru12
originally posted by: Spacespider
originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: Spacespider
but, but, Clinton....but, but Obama
Clinton lost and Obama's gone. This obsession with those people isn't helping the Right wing cause even a little bit.
but, but... there where simple no other alternative
There are plenty of other parties in America, thus plenty of alternatives. I'm a proud libertarian. You aren't required to be a sheep and only vote for Dems or Republicans.
There were plenty of candidates with honor and human decency. Trump and Clinton didn't qualify.
But they keep voting D or R and not the others. I don't understand why they keep acting insane "doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome"..
If you think Trump's election is doing the same, then I'd suggest it's not us who doing the same over and over, it's you seeing them the same....over and over....
Trump fits the pattern to break up the R's and the D's by exposing them for the exact fool each of them are. Very few are not selfish fools either working actively or as tools to destroy society and create that NWO. A wild card like Trump is too late I am afraid. He already ran as an R and not as something else so I look for a Libertarian.......
If Trump, as a wild card is already 'too late', then how is it not 'too late' for a Libertarian Party that garners no traction???
Right, too late is too late. What is left is hope that MAYBE, just maybe, someone like a Trump and a wholesale removal of all the idiots in DC based on evidence of their malfeasance will stick. As several on ATS point out the left-right paradigm is a lie and I keep calling the RINO's which are most of the R's out as D's. The two parties vote lockstep and play games to make the citizens think they are different. Rand Paul is different in the Senate and I think Ted Cruz is too but he has flaws for some people on ATS.
In general, I agree. I've seen too much from both that suggests they are both well entrenched into the 'system'. Cruz especially.
I believe both are designed 'safety valves' for those frustrated with the system and parties. They make great speeches on specific issues....those that they know won't change anything based on their speeches...that keeps them as favorites of those that are dissatisfied.
When a real outsider shows up?? Truth revealed. JMO, though.
Perhaps you should examine both of the Pauls voting records and what bills they work on.
Yes, voting record. Sigh. Easy to vote on an issue that one knows won't pass. Paul is slightly better than Cruz, I admit.
But push comes to shove, I see little or no support from him for Trump, draining the swamp, cutting cumbersome regulations, so on. I believe he is fairly sincere, but is well entrenched in the comfort zone that is D.C. politics.
I will go as far as to say the jury is still out on Paul, for me at least. By no means do I give him a pass. He may prove me wrong, and I hope he does. JMO.
originally posted by: luthier
originally posted by: nwtrucker
originally posted by: luthier
originally posted by: nwtrucker
originally posted by: Justoneman
originally posted by: nwtrucker
originally posted by: Justoneman
originally posted by: nwtrucker
originally posted by: Justoneman
originally posted by: olaru12
originally posted by: Spacespider
originally posted by: olaru12
a reply to: Spacespider
but, but, Clinton....but, but Obama
Clinton lost and Obama's gone. This obsession with those people isn't helping the Right wing cause even a little bit.
but, but... there where simple no other alternative
There are plenty of other parties in America, thus plenty of alternatives. I'm a proud libertarian. You aren't required to be a sheep and only vote for Dems or Republicans.
There were plenty of candidates with honor and human decency. Trump and Clinton didn't qualify.
But they keep voting D or R and not the others. I don't understand why they keep acting insane "doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome"..
If you think Trump's election is doing the same, then I'd suggest it's not us who doing the same over and over, it's you seeing them the same....over and over....
Trump fits the pattern to break up the R's and the D's by exposing them for the exact fool each of them are. Very few are not selfish fools either working actively or as tools to destroy society and create that NWO. A wild card like Trump is too late I am afraid. He already ran as an R and not as something else so I look for a Libertarian.......
If Trump, as a wild card is already 'too late', then how is it not 'too late' for a Libertarian Party that garners no traction???
Right, too late is too late. What is left is hope that MAYBE, just maybe, someone like a Trump and a wholesale removal of all the idiots in DC based on evidence of their malfeasance will stick. As several on ATS point out the left-right paradigm is a lie and I keep calling the RINO's which are most of the R's out as D's. The two parties vote lockstep and play games to make the citizens think they are different. Rand Paul is different in the Senate and I think Ted Cruz is too but he has flaws for some people on ATS.
In general, I agree. I've seen too much from both that suggests they are both well entrenched into the 'system'. Cruz especially.
I believe both are designed 'safety valves' for those frustrated with the system and parties. They make great speeches on specific issues....those that they know won't change anything based on their speeches...that keeps them as favorites of those that are dissatisfied.
When a real outsider shows up?? Truth revealed. JMO, though.
Perhaps you should examine both of the Pauls voting records and what bills they work on.
Yes, voting record. Sigh. Easy to vote on an issue that one knows won't pass. Paul is slightly better than Cruz, I admit.
But push comes to shove, I see little or no support from him for Trump, draining the swamp, cutting cumbersome regulations, so on. I believe he is fairly sincere, but is well entrenched in the comfort zone that is D.C. politics.
I will go as far as to say the jury is still out on Paul, for me at least. By no means do I give him a pass. He may prove me wrong, and I hope he does. JMO.
You didn't see Paul the only guy working on the health care bill through town hall discussions and medical professionals symposiumso trying to make a real market based system and meeting with trump regularly.....ok
originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: kelbtalfenek
Do I see as a conspiracy? More or less, yes. Although gambit or tactic is equally accurate.
As far as your information goes on fellow republican support, I question your sources objectivity. Even local media is biased, picks the candidate it endorses and covers the opposition accordingly. Most of the media is biased towards the left.
As I don't know the sources you cite nor their political history and leanings. Context is a factor. If you trust your sources and the quality of their positions, sobeit.
originally posted by: kelbtalfenek
originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: kelbtalfenek
Do I see as a conspiracy? More or less, yes. Although gambit or tactic is equally accurate.
That's what I thought. No further explanation needed.
As far as your information goes on fellow republican support, I question your sources objectivity. Even local media is biased, picks the candidate it endorses and covers the opposition accordingly. Most of the media is biased towards the left.
As I don't know the sources you cite nor their political history and leanings. Context is a factor. If you trust your sources and the quality of their positions, sobeit.
All you need to do is google "Roy Moore Support" and tons will come up... I'm not the one that has to trust the sources because I believe the guy needs to be investigated. It's those that support Roy Moore without hesitation that need to have their sources checked. I could include sources but, as you stated, you believe there is a conspiracy or gambit...so you would possibly decry "fake news."
originally posted by: nwtrucker
I am suspicious, yes. Am I sure that it's bogus? NO.
If you think the left is incapable of such a move then I question your objectivity. I've seen a similar move up here in Washington St. in a sheriff's election and I'm convinced it was hyperbole, without question.
I have personal experience with false accusations be females as well.
Again, based on personal experience, both political and gender-wise, In a doubt situation as this one was for me, I'd give him the benefit of the doubt.
You wouldn't. Fair enough.
Suffice it likely won't work twice, at least if promoted on a national basis, if it was, in fact, bogus.
Either way, it's a win for the left. I'm not so sure it was a win for everyone, or merely one more step of a PC motivated character assassination.
I don't know. Perhaps the truth will out. Enjoy your day.
originally posted by: Spacespider
Funny how that "left" group of america is so eager to destroy what left of USA and prob start ww3 against Russia.
If you want to want to get a taste of how it is.. come to any EU country and see how left thinking pans out.
the divisiveness has never been more vitriol. this isn't a contest.. peoples lives are at stake
originally posted by: andrewh7
originally posted by: Spacespider
Funny how that "left" group of america is so eager to destroy what left of USA and prob start ww3 against Russia.
If you want to want to get a taste of how it is.. come to any EU country and see how left thinking pans out.
That's funny I could have sworn Trump was a republican and has made it his mission to repeatedly threaten to vaporize a crazy Korean dictator with long-range nuclear missiles. If calling Russia out for interfering in our election is sufficient to start WW3, then it would have happened 50 times over by now. How does pandering the Russians help the US?