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Michigan Police Won't Explain Why They Arrested an 11-Year-Old Girl at Gunpoint

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posted on Dec, 13 2017 @ 06:00 AM
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I am unsure what threat an 11 year old is to the police, but they aren't helping clarify anything by their lack of explanation.

www.alternet.org...


It’s hard to imagine what threat an 11-year-old girl could possibly pose to a dozen armed police officers. One would have to ask the officers in Grand Rapids, Michigan, who last week handcuffed an elementary schooler at gunpoint, placed her under arrest and took her from her mother and home for seemingly no reason.

The arrest has sparked local outrage. Police were in the neighborhood looking for the girl's aunt, Carrie Manning, who allegedly stabbed her younger sister at a house nearby and was believed to be armed with a knife. As WOOD-TV reported, Manning is a 40-year-old white woman. Honestie Hodges is an 11-year-old black girl.


So the police are looking for a 40 year old white woman, and they arrest an 11 year old black girl.

According to Fox8, Honestie said;


“When my mom was walking past, I was putting my hands through the little bars, banging on the windows, screaming, ‘Please don’t let them take me,'”


Carry Manning was later found and arrested, but the damage to the girl has been done.


Honestie said the arrest has now changed her outlook on law enforcement and on her own future.

“I wanted to be a detective or police officer, but now I don’t want anything to do with those kind of things,” Honestie said.


What is wrong with these police?
edit on 13-12-2017 by bgerbger because: To add commas, hundreds of commas.




posted on Dec, 13 2017 @ 06:13 AM
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a reply to: bgerbger


"Carry Manning was later found and arrested, but the damage to the girl has been done."

What a silly statement you have added. Please come back with more details. A eleven year old child is capable of many crimes and pure mischief. So let's have some details before you want to hate all police.



posted on Dec, 13 2017 @ 06:15 AM
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a reply to: bgerbger

Over all it seems like they are being given an almost free reign to do what they want how they want. Rather then use their minds to solve 'issues' they are acting first and waiting to find out what the consequences are later, most times those consequences are nil.

How many times have we heard "The public only got to see 30 seconds of what happened"?

You know when they start killing white people over an impossible game of Simon Says, and get away with it, that they are doing what ever they want and it's not going to stop, it's only going to get worse.



posted on Dec, 13 2017 @ 06:17 AM
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a reply to: Aliensun

Firstly, who said anything about hating all police? Not I, so let's have some simple reading comprehension before you want to accuse me of something I never said.

Secondly, the damage is that previously the girl expressed a desire to work in law enforcement, now that is no longer the case.

What a silly comment you have made.
edit on 13-12-2017 by bgerbger because: Because some people can't read properly, so making words bigger might help them.



posted on Dec, 13 2017 @ 06:20 AM
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a reply to: Aliensun

He gave lots of details.

How is cuffing an eleven year old black girl going to help in the search and arrest of a older white woman? I mean yea maybe the officers all needed glasses that day, and could not tell who they were cuffing but that's not the case.

If the police came to my door searching for someone, I sure as hell would not expect to be cuffed and put in a patrol car simply because I walked out the door or answered the door! They knew full well who they were after, they had to have had pictures of the aunt before going to arrest her, one would assume. There was no need to do what they did to that kid!



posted on Dec, 13 2017 @ 06:22 AM
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I would the girl is 5'8" and over 200 lbs because there is lots of them around. Been to a school lately,



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posted on Dec, 13 2017 @ 06:38 AM
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She's lucky they didn't shoot her and then make her dog cut her head off.



posted on Dec, 13 2017 @ 08:38 AM
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a reply to: bgerbger

She's lucky she wasn't shot on the spot. Of course, if she's still in custody, that may still happen.

Avoid US cops at all costs. They're obviously totaly out of control. And my guess is that the reason is because, what with concealed carry and such, they now assume everyone is packing heat and ready to shoot them. And the more out of control they get, the worse that will become. Its a self fullfilling prophecy.



posted on Dec, 13 2017 @ 08:39 AM
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a reply to: bgerbger


It’s hard to imagine what threat an 11-year-old girl could possibly pose to a dozen armed police officers. One would have to ask the officers in Grand Rapids, Michigan, who last week handcuffed an elementary schooler at gunpoint, placed her under arrest and took her from her mother and home for seemingly no reason.

Thats pretty clear, the lesson to all standers by and anyone reading about this is, the threat is not a little girl, the threat comes from the police. They use coercion in the form of threats, intimidation and violence with impunity.



posted on Dec, 13 2017 @ 09:01 AM
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a reply to: bgerbger

Hold the phone...

Your post title says that Michigan police won't explain why they arrested an 11-year-old girl.

In the embedded police press release on the site to which you directly link in the OP (the Fox8 one, not the other one), it has the press release embedded and ready for everyone to read, which states:

As officers were setting up a perimeter, three females simultaneously exited the home, two adults and one 11 year old juvenile. Until it could be determined that the individuals were not the suspect, nor armed with a weapon, the three were ordered back to officers and detained. The homeowner gave consent to search the home, and it was deemed that none of the three individuals that exited the home were the suspect officers were searching for nor was the suspect in the home. The females were subsequently released.

So, no one was arrested, they were detained in order to ensure that neither of the adults was the suspect and to ascertain if any of them had a weapon, since they were investigating an attempted murder where a knife was used.

Sadly, in modern times, you can't just assume that young children do not have weapons on them. Here in the Cincinnati area, young teens (and even younger children) are consistently arrested with weapons on them for assaulting people. We just recently had a 13-year-old arrested at gun point because he was openly carrying a revolver pistol down the street and someone called the police on him. He ran up to a covered and walled-in porch of a stranger's home as police showed up, but was smart enough to lie down on the ground and listen to commands. Unfortunately, during the approach of the officers, he was dumb enough to reach for the pistol and threw it away from him, and that action could have gotten him killed.

There used to be a 10-year-old in a neighborhood that I used to live in who stashed knives and even a machete around the neighborhood--a few kids that I knew found some of them. This kid also used to vandalize property and pick fights with other kids, even teenagers. He pulled a knife on a child once and spent some time in juvenile hall over the incident.

He was 10.

The age of an individual cannot create an assumption of safety, sadly enough. In this instance, she was apparently detained until it could be determined that she didn't have a weapon, and after the homeowner consented to a search of the house, all three were released when no weapons or suspect was found.

No harm, no foul, just overly emotional people wanting to scream, "What's wrong with these police?," at every event of something you don't like, simply because it makes you emotional.

It sucks that the little girl was caught up in it all, but the officers did nothing inappropriate in this instance, from the minimal information available.


Honestie and her mother said officers ordered the girl to walk backwards with her hands up, then put her in cuffs, patted her down and put her in the back of a cop car.

WOOD-TV

That is exactly what should have happened in this scenario. No one got beat up, roughed up, screamed at until shot, or any of that. These officers did exactly what they needed to do until they could determine that everyone and the home was clear of anything associated with the suspect.

There is only "damage" to this little girl because someone is allowing her concerns over what happened to envelope her view of police officers now, instead of appropriately explaining to her why it happened.

This is a gem from your Fox8 link, though:

The family is upset because Manning is a 40-year-old white woman and Honestie is an 11-year-old black girl.

That, right there, shows that it's the family fostering the fear and anger in the little girl--they should better comprehend why she was detained, and should be explaining that to Honestie. Instead, let's allow the little girl to "[not] want anything to do with [being a detective or a police officer]," because that's the approach to the situation, for sure.
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edit on 13-12-2017 by SlapMonkey because: added a few more details and fixed poor grammar



posted on Dec, 13 2017 @ 09:08 AM
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originally posted by: TonyS
a reply to: bgerbger

She's lucky she wasn't shot on the spot. Of course, if she's still in custody, that may still happen.


Stop the asinine hyperbole. She was detained for a short while officers could ensure none of the females had weapons, and after a consent to search the home and the suspect wasn't found, all three women were released.

She wasn't even arrested, just detained in the cruiser until all of this was finished.

The title of the thread and the OP's narrative is BS--there is an embedded press release from the police in the Fox8 link in the OP, which explains exactly WHY the girl was detained. I suggest that you read it.

Don't fall for the garbage just because you want the narrative to support your fear-mongering against US cops. By all means, call out blatant stupidity when it happens by LEOs, but this isn't one of those times. Some of you really need to stop crying wolf all of the damn time.
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posted on Dec, 13 2017 @ 09:12 AM
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a reply to: SlapMonkey

Yeah that sounds like "detained" and not "arrested".

Youre making too much sense here for the Libs though.

Cant you just hate cops like youre supposed to and ignore the proper procedures they used?

Jeez youre making things difficult 😉



posted on Dec, 13 2017 @ 09:15 AM
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a reply to: Urantia1111

Sorry about that.

I'm sure that they'll attempt to give me my comeuppance sooner rather than later...you know, because it's the "feels" that matter over logical thinking these days, especially when LEOs are involved.



posted on Dec, 13 2017 @ 09:19 AM
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Don't bother defending it, Slap, I live in the metro and people around here are aghast and pretty pissed that they cuffed an 11 year old black girl when they were looking for a 40 year old WHITE woman. How the hell is an 11 year old black kid the same as a 40 year old white adult?? For F's sake, the 13 year old white kid across the street and 13 year old black kid down the street aren't physically close enough to a 40 year old adult to warrant the reaction, why would an 11 year old? Yeah, sure, there's a higher percentage of Amazon children here in MI compared to back in FL, I've been floored by the heights of a handful of kids, but COME ON. Cuffing was not necessary, and even the chief was offended by the course of action.



posted on Dec, 13 2017 @ 09:41 AM
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Wow, that girl is going to have a great story to tell her grandkids some day. Not many grandparents will be able to top her story.

She is young, she will get over it. It was a stupid mistake by the cops. As far as color is concerned, I know some people who have a sibling of a different color. The age difference is the only thing I would think of as pertinent. My aunt did have a kid when she was fifty five and the two other kids were thirty years or more older than their youngest. So that is more rare than color, but at the same time it is possible.

I bet half the cops were wondering what the hell was going on with that, but they had to follow their orders. If people keep telling this girl it is going to screw her up mentally, it will. People are so messed up nowadays that way. They should just make a pun about it instead of getting all fired up, negativity can drive the girl in the wrong direction more than the mistake did.



posted on Dec, 13 2017 @ 09:48 AM
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originally posted by: Nyiah
Don't bother defending it, Slap, I live in the metro and people around here are aghast and pretty pissed that they cuffed an 11 year old black girl when they were looking for a 40 year old WHITE woman.

I don't care about how people feel about it--feelings are irrelevant to appropriate procedure.


How the hell is an 11 year old black kid the same as a 40 year old white adult??

Read up on the issue--she wasn't detained because they thought that she was the suspect. I've explained as much--it's actually pretty simple. The Fox8 link in the OP has the press release about the incident...reading it let's you understand as much.


Cuffing was not necessary, and even the chief was offended by the course of action.

Police chiefs are political by nature...his offense means nothing in the grand scheme of things, although he's more than welcome to adjust policy in situations like that if he is incapable of understanding that, yes, 11-year-old girls can have weapons and be dangerous.

Complacency and assumptions are what get people killed in that line of work. She was temporarily cuffed, she was searched for weapons, and then detained along with the two other people with whom she walked out, then released after it was determined that they weren't hiding the suspect in the home.

No harm, no foul...the only harm is emotional outrage by people who don't understand the "why" involved, and that outrage is blinding Honstie from knowing and understanding the "why" behind what happened.

And apparently, explaining it becomes pointless along the way, as once emotional minds are already made up, critical thinking seems to go out the window. But it's not about "defending it" as much as calling out the asininity surrounding the alarmist OP and the claims and responses by some people over it.

But since you live in the area, do you have any more information than has already been let known about the situation that might indicate that the officers were wrong in doing what they did, or is it all about The Feels?



posted on Dec, 13 2017 @ 09:51 AM
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It wasn't a mistake--they cuffed her in order to search for weapons, then detained her in the cruiser until they determined whether the suspect was in the house. They were then released.

That, right there, is what is causing outrage? Come on...

I can't find the detail of whether or not they kept her cuffed in the cruiser, though...if they did that, I would argue that to be the wrong thing to do, unless her actions warranted it (which I can't find any detail showing that to be the case).



posted on Dec, 13 2017 @ 10:09 AM
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originally posted by: SlapMonkey
a reply to: rickymouse

It wasn't a mistake--they cuffed her in order to search for weapons, then detained her in the cruiser until they determined whether the suspect was in the house. They were then released.

That, right there, is what is causing outrage? Come on...

I can't find the detail of whether or not they kept her cuffed in the cruiser, though...if they did that, I would argue that to be the wrong thing to do, unless her actions warranted it (which I can't find any detail showing that to be the case).



Well, it was the wrong thing for the police to do. But the thing is that dragging the mistake out and making the kid really upset about it can lead to some dire psychological problems....caused not by the police but by the negativity of people who think it is bad. It does not have to make a person crazy or traumatized, but if everyone tells the girl she is traumatized, she will become that way. More problems actually happen in our society because people overreact and they immediately want counceling which drags the whole thing out and makes it worse sometimes.

Yes, sometimes councelers and psychiatrists are needed, in this case the cause of the need is what I am more concerned about. If you throw fuel on the fire, it most often causes more problems.



posted on Dec, 13 2017 @ 10:33 AM
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If the girl's clothes were blood-splattered they'd probably give that detail?

...and it took 19 foreigners with box-cutters to bring about this new policy enforcement protocol?




posted on Dec, 13 2017 @ 10:44 AM
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So can this be moved to the HOAX bin. It would seem like the logical thing to do. So far off base that it's trash.





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