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Trump Administration moving to allow Restaurants to keep workers tips

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posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 05:30 PM
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Right on, tipping is ridiculous! Now make it so the beer vendors at the ball games don't expect me to drop another buck in their cup after buying a $14 beer.




posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 05:34 PM
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a reply to: SlapMonkey

Now that some states have made laws that force a full minimum wage up front, these establishments now fall in a sort of grey area.

Not really much of a grey area.

The purpose of section 3(m)’s tip credit provision is to allow an employer to subsidize a portion of its Federal minimum wage obligation through a credit against the tips given to employees by customers.
If an employer takes a tip credit against its wage obligations, section 3(m) applies, along with its attendant provisions that restrict the employer’s use of tips received by employees, including the requirement that only tipped employees be included in the tip pool. However, where an employer has paid employees a direct cash wage of at least the full Federal minimum wage, the proposed rule would allow the employer to reallocate tips received by its employees in a manner currently prohibited by regulation, including distributing tips to non-tipped employees (e.g., cooks or dishwashers) through a tip pool.
C. Discussion of Benefits and Other Potential Impacts of the Proposed Rule i. Benefits
So if employee's tips subsidize a portion of their wages then this new proposal does not apply. It only applies to those that get at least a minimum Federal wage.

I referred to this section because of some interesting language. Scroll down to the forth paragraph on the top of page 46.

To the extent employers may otherwise make an arrangement to allocate any customer tips to make capital improvements to their establishments (e.g., enlarging the dining area to accommodate more customers), lower restaurant menu prices...
I'm not clear what this would mean. Is this a loop hole for an employer to pocket pooled tip money for supposed improvements and lowering menu prices?



posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 05:42 PM
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posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 05:47 PM
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a reply to: Wayfarer

Trump owns restaurants, right?

Funny how that worked out!



posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 05:54 PM
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This is pretty shady. Waitressing is a common job for single mothers and those trying to work a second job to get out of debt etc. Waitresses work hard and deserve their tips. Only a true scumbag would want to take that money away.



posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 06:00 PM
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originally posted by: amazing
This is pretty shady. Waitressing is a common job for single mothers and those trying to work a second job to get out of debt etc. Waitresses work hard and deserve their tips. Only a true scumbag would want to take that money away.



Quite right. Happens in the UK too.

Bella Italia was in the news last year for deducting 10% of tips because the owners aren't quite rich enough.

www.wheredomytipsgo.com...

That's not a bad place to look to see how widespread this problem is.



posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 06:00 PM
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PLEASE STOP. HAVE YOU EVEN TAKEN A GLANCE AT THE STATUTE AS IT EXISTS NOW AND WHAT THE PROPOSED CHANGES ARE OR COULD BE OR WHY THEY ARE EVEN CONSIDERING IT? NO? THEN IT IS OK TO NOT FORM AN OPINION. NO ONE IS GOING TO HURT YOU. PLEASE STOP. ITS SO BORING THAT ALMOST NO ONE INCLUDING THE OP HAS AN INTEREST IN THE ACTUAL MEAT OR MEANING OF THIS PARTICULAR PAPER. JUST STOP FOR ONCE ALREADY AND ACTUALLY TAKE THE TIME TO READ SOMETHING BEFORE YOU HAVE AN OPINION.

caplocks off.



posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 06:07 PM
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originally posted by: Fools
PLEASE STOP. HAVE YOU EVEN TAKEN A GLANCE AT THE STATUTE AS IT EXISTS NOW AND WHAT THE PROPOSED CHANGES ARE OR COULD BE OR WHY THEY ARE EVEN CONSIDERING IT? NO? THEN IT IS OK TO NOT FORM AN OPINION. NO ONE IS GOING TO HURT YOU. PLEASE STOP. ITS SO BORING THAT ALMOST NO ONE INCLUDING THE OP HAS AN INTEREST IN THE ACTUAL MEAT OR MEANING OF THIS PARTICULAR PAPER. JUST STOP FOR ONCE ALREADY AND ACTUALLY TAKE THE TIME TO READ SOMETHING BEFORE YOU HAVE AN OPINION.

caplocks off.


What do you mean? I've read it and it appears that it will allow employers to keep tips that are actually given to servers/employees. That's not okay. If I want to tip a business owner or manager or president or CEO then I will, but that never happens. You tip the waitress that serves you and your children and is working like a dog. She deserves the entire tip. Period.



posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 06:11 PM
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a reply to: amazing

By saying what you just said, I know that you haven't read it.



posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 06:13 PM
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originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: Fools
PLEASE STOP. HAVE YOU EVEN TAKEN A GLANCE AT THE STATUTE AS IT EXISTS NOW AND WHAT THE PROPOSED CHANGES ARE OR COULD BE OR WHY THEY ARE EVEN CONSIDERING IT? NO? THEN IT IS OK TO NOT FORM AN OPINION. NO ONE IS GOING TO HURT YOU. PLEASE STOP. ITS SO BORING THAT ALMOST NO ONE INCLUDING THE OP HAS AN INTEREST IN THE ACTUAL MEAT OR MEANING OF THIS PARTICULAR PAPER. JUST STOP FOR ONCE ALREADY AND ACTUALLY TAKE THE TIME TO READ SOMETHING BEFORE YOU HAVE AN OPINION.

caplocks off.


What do you mean? I've read it and it appears that it will allow employers to keep tips that are actually given to servers/employees. That's not okay. If I want to tip a business owner or manager or president or CEO then I will, but that never happens. You tip the waitress that serves you and your children and is working like a dog. She deserves the entire tip. Period.


It says no such thing heres the law please point out anywhere it says employers can keep tips. The article is either on purpose or by mistake misrepresenting the facts.

s3.amazonaws.com...



posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 06:17 PM
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a reply to: amazing


You tip the waitress that serves you and your children and is working like a dog. She deserves the entire tip. Period.


Considering there are a whole bunch of people working hard to make sure your dining experience is a good one, I think they all deserve some of your tip. Unless you think your wait staff is also preparing your meal and washing dishes behind the scenes... then this super waitress indeed deserves the entire tip.



posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 06:22 PM
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originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: amazing

originally posted by: Fools
PLEASE STOP. HAVE YOU EVEN TAKEN A GLANCE AT THE STATUTE AS IT EXISTS NOW AND WHAT THE PROPOSED CHANGES ARE OR COULD BE OR WHY THEY ARE EVEN CONSIDERING IT? NO? THEN IT IS OK TO NOT FORM AN OPINION. NO ONE IS GOING TO HURT YOU. PLEASE STOP. ITS SO BORING THAT ALMOST NO ONE INCLUDING THE OP HAS AN INTEREST IN THE ACTUAL MEAT OR MEANING OF THIS PARTICULAR PAPER. JUST STOP FOR ONCE ALREADY AND ACTUALLY TAKE THE TIME TO READ SOMETHING BEFORE YOU HAVE AN OPINION.

caplocks off.


What do you mean? I've read it and it appears that it will allow employers to keep tips that are actually given to servers/employees. That's not okay. If I want to tip a business owner or manager or president or CEO then I will, but that never happens. You tip the waitress that serves you and your children and is working like a dog. She deserves the entire tip. Period.


It says no such thing heres the law please point out anywhere it says employers can keep tips. The article is either on purpose or by mistake misrepresenting the facts.

s3.amazonaws.com...


Page 46 says the employers can take tips of say, a waitress to bump up the pay of, say a cleaner.
Furthermore it also says that the tips can be used to subsidise wages so that the savings the employer makes can be used for capital projects and discounts for customers.



posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 06:24 PM
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She deserves the entire tip.


Why do you assume only women serve food?

Shame on you for breaking libtard law.



posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 06:26 PM
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originally posted by: burdman30ott6
a reply to: Wayfarer

Reading the actual regulatory proposal, it's clear this is in response to a series of lawsuits since the current law was changed in 2011. It actually seems to make sense and isn't the nefarious nonsense the first article paints it as in any way.


Yes, one section looks like an effort to allow traditionally tipped positions to retain more of that tip money instead of having to share it with hourly position staff.



posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 06:27 PM
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originally posted by: Zarniwoop
a reply to: Wayfarer

Detailed summary of proposal here

The intent seems to be to allow tip pooling when wait staff are paid at least full minimum wage. So, to allow the employers to require the normally tipped folks to share some of that customer admiration with the folks that don't normally get tipped.

I don't see the part of the proposal that allows the employer to pocket any tips and the OP source doesn't point that section out either.





Admittedly, I don't mind this, since more often than not the waitress is not the only one serving me and my guests at a table. I have often had 3-4 different folks taking care of my table. Providing water, asking if all is okay, clearing dishes glasses and taking note that we want or need something else. The waitress ID is the only one on the table and more often than not she is only there to take the order and move onto the next table. Other servers have provided the food and drinks and cleared our table!
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Edit add: I have been a waitress earlier in my life multiple times, as needed. I learned quick to divvy up my tips with the clean up crew and the hostess who seats customers! Sure I only made $3.50 an hour plus tips and they had min wage...but I made more than them because the hostess would fill my section first and the cleaners were quick to clean my tables so I had more customers!


Edit add for real: WTH? I thought I was editing my post...oh well...just going to leave it as is. Really makes no difference!
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Oh for Pete's sake ... Going to sign off after correcting my edits in the correct order. Sigh...grand kids need my attention and I am obviously not focused! Egad!
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posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 06:38 PM
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originally posted by: amazing
This is pretty shady. Waitressing is a common job for single mothers and those trying to work a second job to get out of debt etc. Waitresses work hard and deserve their tips. Only a true scumbag would want to take that money away.



The same could be said about gas station attendants, cashiers, stock people, fast food workers, etc. They all could be single mothers working hard on a second job to get out of debt and they would deserve tips. Do you go give the attendant $5 bucks when you fill up? Or the cashier at Target $100 after buying presents? If not, are you not a scumbag? Is the fact that they are paid a regular wage what stops you? If a waitress was paid the same wage it would be significantly less after all. Everyone else doesn't deserve it as much?

Don't get me wrong, as long as thing ridiculous paradigm is in place I will tip 20% every time. Regardless of service. It doesn't matter how performant a server is. Most people are the same way. It means nothing and does not reflect perception of service.

Plus the server is not actually there to serve the customer. Given a choice I would be happy to enter my own order, fill my own water, and get my own food. If I need a new fork I would rather just go get a new one and be done with it. I don't need to sit there and flag down a server and wait for them to eventually get back to me. Then I get to pay them for my needlessly prolonged inconvenience. Imagine the chaos if everyone did that though. The cooks would be pulling their hair out and everything would take way longer. Servers are there to maintain order, get customers in and out, and sell old food in the form of specials. None of this is of benefit to the customer. Employers should pay them a decent wage for the services they are providing to the restaurant.



posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 06:46 PM
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a reply to: Wayfarer

From a quick read it sounds as if it only applies to restaurants who pay wait staff and bartenders minimum wage which is ...........hardly any.

I doubt many would switch over.

I'd do find hilarious the support of entrepreneurs over socialism this thread implies.

Now people are for letting waiters keep their tips over getting paid a living wage.

I'd have to read up more on this....but that's not going to happen.



posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 06:56 PM
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It will be a long slow slog as the die-hard supporters realize he (and cohorts) is (are) just another gauche millionaire out to screw the common dolts.

Not all things good for corporations are bad for the common people... but most are. It's been a uuuge giveaway to those who already have it. His heart won't grow three sizes this xmas...unless he has swelling, I guess.

Not that the "other side" hasn't been corrupted ...it has. But to think this character will drain the swamp and bring money back to the middle classes is truly, darkly, funny.

A deplorable born every minute, I guess.



posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 07:10 PM
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I'm a little confused, because this is usually decided 'in house'. I've heard waitresses, bartenders and such talk about it.
They all split the tips at the end of the night, and don't seem to mind it. Good nights, bad nights, it evens it out.

What is funny (not funny ha-ha) is that they want some kind of law? What's up with that? Seriously.
Talk about the 'nanny state'. Good grief. A restaurant staff can't even make it's own decision as to how to handle this?

Weird. People in Washington seem to be encroaching into the private business of others. I think staff can decide how they want to handle this on their own.



posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 07:46 PM
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originally posted by: Wayfarer
Original article from EPI


It looks like Trump is making America great again, this time by allowing restaurants to retain tips from their employees that exceed the total minimum wage value in their respective area.

The proposed regulation....PDF FILE

This would roll back tip regulations as they currently stand in the Fair Labor Standards Act, that currently restrict employers who pay minimum wage from collecting/re-allocating tips earned by their employees.

I imagine the thinking behind this is that 'owners' are business entities that need more money, and the servers are the rotten offal who are sucking these poor businesses dry and deserve to make even less (as if working in the food service industry isn't already the sewage standard of professions).

I'd love to hear Trump Supporters take on how this is good, why they support it, and why waiters/waitresses and food service professionals deserve to make even less.



So you are upset with this because you are positive that President Trump, personally, demanded it?




The Department is therefore proposing to rescind the parts of its tip regulations that bar tipsharing arrangements in establishments where the employers pay full Federal minimum wageand do not take a tip credit against their minimum wage obligations.


From your link.

The Horror!
lol. Anything to try and show Trump in a bad image though, am I right? You should get a job at CNN doing research.
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