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originally posted by: JHumm
People should stop eating at thoes places . the workers depend on thoes tips and their pay reflects that.
The ones who will benefit from this don't even need the money , but someone who uses it to feed their family do
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Could you provide a link to back up this claim.
originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: Krazysh0t
It is currently illegal for an employer to take an employee's tips for any reason other than a tip pool. So no, it cannot be inferred that this magically lets them pocket an employees tips.
To the extent employers may otherwise make an arrangement to allocate any customer tips to make capital improvements to their establishments, lower restaurant menu prices
Some states do not allow tips to offset wages and I'm sure there are many establishments that don't do it but I don't know for a fact. I know the local "Unicorn" tavern doesn't.
originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: Devino
I have never heard of an employer who doesn't use tip credit when they can. But in the case where an employer didn't do that (unicorn), yes, they could take tip money.
This seems too ambiguous and thus ripe for corruption.
As for the lower menu prices. That would be interesting, another thing I've never seen a business do. I wonder what the burden of proof would be? It'll be interesting to watch the discussion around the proposal develop.
The Department is therefore proposing to rescind the parts of its tip regulations that bar tipsharing
arrangements in establishments where the employers pay full Federal minimum wage
and do not take a tip credit against their minimum wage obligations. This proposed rule applies
only to employers that pay direct cash wages of at least the Federal minimum wage and do not
take a tip credit. It does not apply to employers who pay less than the Federal minimum wage
and take a tip credit.
originally posted by: SlapMonkey
a reply to: Wayfarer
Both your own thread title and the first article's title are misleading.
From your Department of Labor link:
The Department is therefore proposing to rescind the parts of its tip regulations that bar tipsharing
arrangements in establishments where the employers pay full Federal minimum wage
and do not take a tip credit against their minimum wage obligations. This proposed rule applies
only to employers that pay direct cash wages of at least the Federal minimum wage and do not
take a tip credit. It does not apply to employers who pay less than the Federal minimum wage
and take a tip credit.
From what I can deduce from the actual text of the document, the change requested is that, IF a restaurant pays the full minimum wage and does not take a tip credit, they can pool tips received and distribute them amongst all of the employees as the owner deems appropriate.
Historically, tips have been seen as part of one's pay, which is why many server have an hourly wage less than the federal or local minimum wage. Now that some states have made laws that force a full minimum wage up front, these establishments now fall in a sort of grey area.
The proposed change(s) allow these establishments to now pool the tips and distribute them amongst everyone, since everyone contributes to the job that puts the food in the hands of the server and allows them to do their job efficiently and effectively.
I don't necessarily see anything WRONG with it, per se, but I do think that the bulk of the tips after being pooled better go to the best people doing the best work. I've always considered pooling tips as a pretty crappy way to choose to handle things, but at the same time, if this is the practice of the business, it must be made known at the time of hiring, and if someone doesn't like that, they can either negotiate a higher portion of the pool, continue looking for another job, or work this one until they can locate a better one that rewards their hard work more directly.
I don't see anywhere in the actual DOL document that says that taking tips to increase the profit of the business is legal now, or will be per this proposed change. Maybe you can enlighten me and point me to the page(s) of the PDF that states this?
originally posted by: Zarniwoop
a reply to: JHumm
How do you know the tip policies of specific restaurants?
It's not advertised in my experience.
originally posted by: Willtell
The deluded Trump followers may learn from this. Though some of his followers are just out and out republican rich people lovers, so this won't really bother them.
Maybe the deluded ones who actually think Trump gives a dam about them may slowely start to smell the rat he really is
originally posted by: Willtell
The deluded Trump followers may learn from this. Though some of his followers are just out and out republican rich people lovers, so this won't really bother them.
Maybe the deluded ones who actually think Trump gives a dam about them may slowely start to smell the rat he really is
originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: nwtrucker
No it does not if tips are part of their wages they continue to get the tips. If they are hourly and paid at least minimum wage a tip pool can be started for all employees including back of house who normally doesnt get tips. Servers would often tip say a cook but it was their option. This means a business can require it legally and collect it for them. As i said earlier read the law its explains it in detail.
originally posted by: thesaneone
originally posted by: Willtell
The deluded Trump followers may learn from this. Though some of his followers are just out and out republican rich people lovers, so this won't really bother them.
Maybe the deluded ones who actually think Trump gives a dam about them may slowely start to smell the rat he really is
Uh huh, quick question, do you know what the subject is about or did you see Trumps name?
originally posted by: knowledgehunter0986
originally posted by: Willtell
The deluded Trump followers may learn from this. Though some of his followers are just out and out republican rich people lovers, so this won't really bother them.
Maybe the deluded ones who actually think Trump gives a dam about them may slowely start to smell the rat he really is
What does Trump even have to do with this?