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Trump Administration moving to allow Restaurants to keep workers tips

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posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 03:00 PM
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originally posted by: Shamrock6
I stopped caring what happens to people's tips when I was informed that a 20% tip is the new "normal" tip and was then subjected to a lengthy explanation of why 20% is now considered (by who, other than those in the industry I still don't know) to be "standard" and that really, really it should be more like 30% if you want to be "fair" about it.


Here's the video I showed my children explaining the importance of tipping. They are a long way away from paying the check(3 and 5), but I wanted to start early and teach them the value of hard work and rewarding said hard work.




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posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 03:00 PM
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a reply to: seeker1963

The OP DID provide proof. You instead arrogantly claimed that you were above reading it and the OP was supposed to clip the pertinent parts for you. Does text outside of 280 characters make your head hurt or something?
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posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 03:00 PM
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originally posted by: Allaroundyou
a reply to: TinySickTears Can your phone not open pdf files? Or am I missing something here. Sorry don't mean to take away from the topic. On topic though if this is actually going to happen I imagine it will back fire pretty fast.



It can but it's nice to know ahead of time if a link I click is going to start a download



posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 03:02 PM
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originally posted by: Shamrock6

originally posted by: MisterSpock

originally posted by: Shamrock6
I stopped caring what happens to people's tips when I was informed that a 20% tip is the new "normal" tip and was then subjected to a lengthy explanation of why 20% is now considered (by who, other than those in the industry I still don't know) to be "standard" and that really, really it should be more like 30% if you want to be "fair" about it.


I tip 20% all the time, minimum.

So, there's that I guess, please don't shoot me.......



Cool? I tip 20% if the service and food was great and the waitress was hot.

We traded tipping practices, yay!


I was replying in a light hearted comical fashion, your last comment gives kind of a dickish impression.

This is the internets, we have to tread lightly.

And yes, I always add 10% if she's hot. NOW THAT is something that will rarely be debated.



posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 03:02 PM
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originally posted by: MisterSpock

originally posted by: Shamrock6
I stopped caring what happens to people's tips when I was informed that a 20% tip is the new "normal" tip and was then subjected to a lengthy explanation of why 20% is now considered (by who, other than those in the industry I still don't know) to be "standard" and that really, really it should be more like 30% if you want to be "fair" about it.


Here's the video I showed my children explaining the importance of tipping. They are a long way away from paying the check(3 and 5), but I wanted to start early and teach them the value of hard work and rewarding said hard work.



Ironically, your video doesn't play.



ETA - Now it does. I've used the same video to educate my kids on the importance of a waitress keeping my cup refilled a minimum number of times.
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posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 03:04 PM
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a reply to: burdman30ott6

It seemed to me it was indicating

It's a way for the owner to pay better backroom people wages at the expense of the tipped persons. EG: no money out of owner pocket.



posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 03:04 PM
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originally posted by: Shamrock6

originally posted by: MisterSpock

originally posted by: Shamrock6
I stopped caring what happens to people's tips when I was informed that a 20% tip is the new "normal" tip and was then subjected to a lengthy explanation of why 20% is now considered (by who, other than those in the industry I still don't know) to be "standard" and that really, really it should be more like 30% if you want to be "fair" about it.


Here's the video I showed my children explaining the importance of tipping. They are a long way away from paying the check(3 and 5), but I wanted to start early and teach them the value of hard work and rewarding said hard work.



Ironically, your video doesn't play.



Well you didn't leave a very good tip, so I'm just going through the motions.

I fixed it, I felt it was important as it's very educational.



posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 03:06 PM
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a reply to: MisterSpock


dickish impression.


I'm sorry to have left a dickish impression on you.

(That had to be said, and I think you know it had to be said)

It was not intended as such, though I can in hindsight see how it does.



posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 03:07 PM
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originally posted by: intrptr
a reply to: StallionDuck

Waiters live on tips, the wages don't cut it.

They want to tax it too. They went after flea market sales the same way, making resale numbers mandatory if you sell more than twice a year.

This way if you sell you have to report income. If you have to give tips to your boss then it become income, taxable.


Shoot man... My X made more money in tips alone than what I made at a full time 12 hour a day job. It wasn't often that she'd make less than 100-150 bucks a night. Granted it was nice but I wish there was a way for me to make my money without having to worry about paying taxes on it. This is how I make a living too! Though, I make much more now than then but still.

I'm a fair is fair kinda guy.



posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 03:07 PM
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a reply to: Wayfarer

I was a waitress for years during my younger days. I think that is when my hate for people began. I think we should go the European way, tip included in the price of the meal, everyone happy, maybe.



posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 03:08 PM
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originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: MisterSpock


dickish impression.


I'm sorry to have left a dickish impression on you.

(That had to be said, and I think you know it had to be said)

It was not intended as such, though I can in hindsight see how it does.


Well you did, luckily it's just a small impression and I can cover it up pretty easily before my wife gets home.

No big deal, we'll have to grab drinks sometime and it will blow over. I'll handle the tip, obviously.....



posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 03:08 PM
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originally posted by: TinySickTears

originally posted by: Allaroundyou
a reply to: TinySickTears Can your phone not open pdf files? Or am I missing something here. Sorry don't mean to take away from the topic. On topic though if this is actually going to happen I imagine it will back fire pretty fast.



It can but it's nice to know ahead of time if a link I click is going to start a download


No way to see the file type? Anyway, everything being viewed is a download, some are more data than others.
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posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 03:09 PM
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a reply to: MisterSpock


I'll handle the tip, obviously


Now you're just trying to set me up to get comments removed, and we both know it.




posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 03:10 PM
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a reply to: Wayfarer


this time by allowing restaurants to retain tips from their employees that exceed the total minimum wage value in their respective area.


False. See the next paragraph.


This proposed rule applies only to employers that pay direct cash wages of at least the Federal minimum wage and do not take a tip credit. It does not apply to employers who pay less than the Federal minimum wage and take a tip credit.

pg. 5


In other words. If you are working for minimum wage AND get tips, the employer can pool your tips. If you're working for tip wage (like servers at restaurants) then they CANNOT take your tip money.

Continued on page 6:

This change could result, for example,in tips beingshared withemployeeswho are not customarily and regularly tipped, such as back-of-the-house employees in restaurants.


Many businesses were already doing this and were getting sued. That's why they're changing the rule. Because why should the guy at the counter get all of the tip when a lot goes on behind the scenes? It's socialism for tips. I thought the left would love this move.


I'd love to hear Trump Supporters take on how this is good, why they support it, and why waiters/waitresses and food service professionals deserve to make even less.


Well it won't affect the vast majority of waiters/waitresses as I pointed out above. But let's go to page 27 just to make sure you understand that you don't have any idea what this policy change really is:


Employers can only require tipped employees to participate in a mandatory tip pool if the tip pool is limited to employees in customarily and regularly tipped occupations, such as servers, bartenders, and bussers.


So yet again you've been misinformed by a lazy media that wants to whip you around emotionally.



posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 03:12 PM
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originally posted by: Shamrock6
a reply to: MisterSpock


I'll handle the tip, obviously


Now you're just trying to set me up to get comments removed, and we both know it.



I'm a very cunning foe, your defense is admirable.

Til we meat again.......



posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 03:13 PM
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a reply to: Shamrock6

I do not believe in the percentage way of tipping.

I base my tipping on performance. If you were courteous, expedient, etc. then you will get a larger tip from me. (I will also factor in how busy the time is.)

If you're rude, obnoxious and seem to be "bothered" by me being there, you get the "one cent tip". Sorry, but it happens.

There is one more factor I do recognize. If I see you having an especially hard time with another customer, I'll tend to tip on their "behalf". We've all seen 'that' one customer who would be mad if their ice cream was cold lol.

(now, let all the servers on ATS hang me by my heels and beat me relentlessly with pieces of garden hose)



posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 03:15 PM
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a reply to: Wayfarer

Your article is lying read the law. What the new law would do is allow workers pools for back ofhouse employees. Cooks dishwashers etc now the restaurants can set up so they can get tips. It also states if employees make minimum wage there is no need to collect tips for your staff.



posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 03:16 PM
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a reply to: StallionDuck

And I'm a cash and cary kind. Dumpster diver, flea market and metals recycling.... no taxes to build bombs come from my pocket. Not that the gubment cares, I'm in the poor house. Depends on what you will settle for.



posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 03:18 PM
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a reply to: intrptr

This is true. Guess it all depends on how much pleasantries mean to a person.

Guess I've gotten a bit spoiled since adulthood





posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 03:18 PM
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a reply to: Wayfarer

if this isnt fake news then im sure the real reason is lowering federal oversight of the citizens,

the states have the freedom to pass these laws if they wish, this gives more freedom to the nation to be able to choose state by state if they want such a law, rather then a federal dictate.




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