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2017 Lie of the Year: Russian election interference is a 'made-up story'

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posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 10:58 AM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: pavil

I say they were true.

The ferocity of xenophobia from them with Russia is the proof in the pudding.



No one from the DNC or the Clinton Campaign has offered a real defense that they are false forged emails......




posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 11:11 AM
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originally posted by: FauxMulder
a reply to: bgerbger

No, Trump denies that he colluded with Russia to win the election. And your misleading OP left out the fact that when Russia meddles in social media, they flood both sides to play up the division.

The story that Trump colluded with the Russians to steel the election IS a hoax. Don't try to move the goal post now.



See, there you go, Read trumps TWITTER FEED ABOUT RUSSIA. He said they DID NOT MEDDLE all the way up until APRIL, then he shut up about it, because it was clear they did. He did not say just that there was no collusion. READ HIS TWITTER FEED FOR GOD SAKE. "There is no Russia story, the real story is Hillary Clinton"

Back then trump supporters here on ATS, defended the fact we were not hacked, the Russians did not influence the election, yada yada yada...ON and On and ON. You were all wrong back then. Now you change the Russia story and make it only about collusion, NO you all said back then, Russia did not do it. Even if trump did not collude, he sure as hell DID know that the Russians were trying to help him. He for sure knew that, and LIED!!!! How can you defend that....Go back and read some of your old threads.




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posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 12:14 PM
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originally posted by: neo96
a reply to: Sillyolme




A real dossier complied by a British ex Mi6 agent you mean.


So the crux of yours and the lefts so called argument is that Trump colluded with foreigners to win the election by a bunch of people(Trump haters) that colluded with a foreign agent to win the election.

Golf clap.


Colluded with a foreign agent who had to pay former Russian government people money for the info and our intelligence agency still can't verify it. Think about that.



posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 02:30 PM
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a reply to: Throes

www.latimes.com... yep this is why i pretty much dont care either way Karma is a fickle mistress and you do shady stuff for long enough eventually you get some splash back of your own

The CIA has accused Russia of interfering in the 2016 presidential election by hacking into Democratic and Republican computer networks and selectively releasing emails. But critics might point out the U.S. has done similar things. The U.S. has a long history of attempting to influence presidential elections in other countries – it’s done so as many as 81 times between 1946 and 2000, according to a database amassed by political scientist Dov Levin of Carnegie Mellon University. That number doesn’t include military coups and regime change efforts following the election of candidates the U.S. didn’t like, notably those in Iran, Guatemala and Chile. Nor does it include general assistance with the electoral process, such as election monitoring. Levin defines intervention as “a costly act which is designed to determine the election results [in favor of] one of the two sides.” These acts, carried out in secret two-thirds of the time, include funding the election campaigns of specific parties, disseminating misinformation or propaganda, training locals of only one side in various campaigning or get-out-the-vote techniques, helping one side design their campaign materials, making public pronouncements or threats in favor of or against a candidate, and providing or withdrawing foreign aid. In 59% of these cases, the side that received assistance came to power, although Levin estimates the average effect of “partisan electoral interventions” to be only about a 3% increase in vote share. The U.S. hasn’t been the only one trying to interfere in other countries’ elections, according to Levin’s data. Russia attempted to sway 36 foreign elections from the end of World War II to the turn of the century – meaning that, in total, at least one of the two great powers of the 20th century intervened in about 1 of every 9 competitive, national-level executive elections in that time period.


ww2.kqed.org...

All this political drama got us wondering: How unusual is foreign election interference? As it turns out, not unusual at all. Russia/USSR has been tinkering with other countries’ elections for decades — and so has the U.S. Dov Levin, a political scientist at Carnegie-Mellon University, has found over a hundred examples of U.S. and/or Russian interference in other countries’ elections from 1946 to 2000. About 30 percent of these interventions were Russian; the other 70 percent were organized by the U.S. In the slideshow below, we’ve put together a few of the American examples. A note before we get started: This slideshow focuses specifically on U.S. interference in foreign elections. So it doesn’t include some of the more egregious instances of U.S. meddling — such as the 1953 coup against Iranian Prime Minister Mohammad Mossadegh, or the 1961 assassination of Congolese Prime Minister Patrice Lumumba. We do mention the U.S.-backed coup against Salvador Allende — but within the context of U.S. interference in Chile’s elections, which preceded the coup by almost a decade. So as you click through, bear in mind that election meddling is just one of the many ways that the U.S. has intervened in other countries’ politics.
odd that its only an issue when the democrats get but hurt over it ,i guess they could have put forward better candidates and not thrown Bernie(not a Bernie fan but he got screwed) under the bus and had them selves a nice splitting of their own vote

but yeah the longer they keep up with "the sky is falling our election got tampered with" after we pulled all this crap the harder im gonna laugh at them getting offended over something we have been doing for over 50 years



posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 02:54 PM
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a reply to: RalagaNarHallas

I particularly like how we influenced the Elections in Libya........

Not that it matters but the U.S. is the #1 meddler in the affairs of other countries elections. Think all those colored revolutions in Eastern Europe were spontaneous?



posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 02:56 PM
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originally posted by: Painterz

originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: FauxMulder

A real dossier complied by a British ex Mi6 agent you mean. What does it matter who of three different organizations paid for it? The content is the issue. Not who paid for it. You guys keep trying to muddy the water with insignificant issues like who paid for it.



This is the thing I really don't understand. They discover Trump's enemies helped fund a research project into Trump.

They declare it must therefore be fake.

Which... no. This is utterly faulty logic. As you say, the content is the issue, not who paid for it.


In their defense, faulty logic is the only logic Trump supporters know. Simple false statements work very well on them. "Lock her up", "Fake news", derp derp build a wall.... simplistic idiocy at its most faulty logical level. If they had to think any deeper than that, they would cease to be Trump supporters.



posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 04:53 PM
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Part 2 36) So here's where the second part of the intelligence operation begins.

You convince people it's TRUMP & HIS TEAM being investigated.

37) All the traitors who facilitated the #UraniumOne deal were on high alert after the transfer of power. Will they be sniffed out?

38) Well not to worry. Almost IMMEDIATELY the new President & his team end up being embroiled in a very public scandal.

39) Trump asks Comey to back off of Flynn, then fires Comey, who leaks memos to the NYT's & DEMANDS appointment of a Special Counsel.

40) With a President who bragged about doing deals with Russia, an advisor caught on the phone with the Russian ambassador.....

41) ...everybody AGREES: yeah, great idea! Let's appoint a special counsel to investigate RUSSIAN INTERFERENCE in our election! So be it.

42) Jeff Sessions then recuses himself from the Russian investigation. [But remember: HE ALREADY KNOWS EVERYTHING ANYWAY]

43) Deputy AG Rod Rosenstein then appoints Bob Mueller & tasks him with investigation Russian interference in the 2016 election.

44) MUELLER AND ROSENSTEIN *both* already know that Trump & Sessions BOTH know all the details of #UraniumOne.

Got that?

45) Everybody involved in this ALREADY KNOWS. Everybody was in on this from the start. Trump, Sessions, Mueller & Rosenstein.

47) A lot of scenarios go wrong because they start by assuming Trump was clueless, didn't know any of this, Sessions didn't either or

48) was part of the #UraniumOne coverup. Same with Mueller & Rosenstein, whom many assume to be dirty, trying to HIDE the evidence.

49) An intelligence operation based on deception calls for putting the enemy at EASE because they don't understand what you're REALLY doing.

50) So: what do the #UraniumOne traitors & DNC Media & Democrats THINK has been going on for the last 8 moths?

51) Trump has been STAGGERING on the ropes in desperate trouble trying to avoid a KNOCKOUT BLOW as Mueller relentlessly stalks him!

52) The reality? Mueller has been digging even deeper into #UraniumOne & into #FusionGPS & the Trump dossier.

53) He *has* found Russian interference in the 2016 election.

Do you know what it was?

Shall I tell you?

54) He found a MASSIVE Russian bribery scheme involving 1 of the Presidential candidates in which she compromised US nat'l security.

55) He *also* found this selfsame candidate illegally funding solicitation of info from Russian gov't sources to smear the OTHER candidate.

56) And to compound THAT offense, this candidate also tried to HIDE her funding of this dossier by using a law firm, which is illegal.

57) The investigation is mostly over. Most of the indictments from the grand jury/juries have been made, sealed.

58) You're all about to witness something that was deemed to be an impossibility.

59) A previous administration that was so corrupt across so many agencies with so many people involved, it made it invincible....

60) is about to be rolled up.

Dozens of people are going to prison. And you know most of the names.

61) Not until the hammer actually falls & all the indictments are unsealed will most people figure out what Trump & his team did.

62) DNC Media never had a chance to compromise/thwart the investigation of #UraniumOne & #FusionGPS because they fell for the COVER STORY.

63) It's literally too late at this point to stop what's coming. That window closed weeks ago.

64) Examples will be made out of these people. When Trump & Sessions are done, NO ONE will ever try this kind of treason again.

/end


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posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 04:55 PM
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Part 1 1) This started either before Trump announced his run for President, or soon thereafter. Someone who knew what happened told him.

2) SOMEONE in the IC, likely military intel, sat Trump down & laid out the entire #UraniumOne bribery scheme.

3) How all across the breadth of the Obama Administration people in high offices took massive bribes to facilitate sell of uranium to Russia

4) It involved so many people, it compromised so many agencies, the people who did it counted on it never being exposed or prosecuted.

5) The lengths to which they corrupted our government offices to enrich themselves by selling out our country virtually ENSURED they'd walk.

6) People knew but nobody could talk, the people involved in the scheme were at the HIGHEST levels of the American government.

7) So patriots in our gov't had their hands tied. There was nothing they could do to stop the sale.

8) Even after SOME of the dirty facts behind #UraniumOne became known in 2015, it was easily buried, ignored, passed by.

9) Somebody took a chance on Trump. They sat him down, walked him through what happened.

Ponder the impossible task being revealed.

10) Even if he WINS the election, he'd be taking over a gov't that had been corrupted & compromised by the previous administration to a

11) degree that was almost unfathomable.

HOW do you go about restoring the US gov't to what it should be, instead of what it's become?

12) And Trump and his advisors came up with a plan.

A brilliant plan. An intelligence operation based on DECEPTION.

13) It started during the primaries when Trump began taking every opportunity he could to brag about what GOOD FRIENDS he'd be with Putin.

14) Trump literally could not seem to SHUT UP about how awesomely AWESOME his relationship with Putin was gonna be.

15) It became a running joke, a campaign feature, engendering much hand wringing & concern among Never Trumpers, including me at the time.

16) WHY does Trump keep going out of his way to incessantly BRAG about the sweet, sweet deals he & Putin are gonna do together?

17) But go back and look. During the primaries, during the general election campaign, what happened EVERY TIME Trump did this Putin act?

18) He *literally* trolled all the people who took dirty Russian $ to compromise our nat'l security into ATTACKING HIM FOR IT.

19) And all HE was doing was TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING HE HADN'T DONE YET and would NEVER really do.

20) Literally ever single time Trump talked about his good friend Vladimir, Hillary 'reminded' him Putin is...NOT our ally!

21) Obama condescendingly chided Trump for his friendly talk about Putin. Holder was aghast, Lynch was stunned! etc.

22) They fell right into his trap. He TALKED about doing deals with a guy ALL THESE TRAITORS TOOK BRIBES FROM TO SELL URANIUM TO.

23) He's talking about hypothetical deals with Russia & people who took massive Russian bribes on the U1 deal rushed to ATTACK HIM for it.

24) What possible EXCUSE are they going to have when the truth comes out?

They're not going to have one. He made SURE of that.

25) Everything Trump does is calculated for effect.

So now you know why he showed all that 'Putin-Love' during the campaign.

26) The traitors had no idea what he was really doing & rushed to attack him for merely TALKING about doing deals with Russia.

27) Then Trump won the election. He and Sessions went to work.

Now here's something people overlook or don't understand.

Pay attention

28) All this stuff about #UraniumOne we're now just finding out?
Trump & Sessions knew about ALL OF THIS before they were sworn in.

29) Part of the intelligence operation Trump & Co. are running is you never show what you know, you keep your enemy in the dark.

30) Trump & Sessions knew about ALL the details of #UraniumOne BEFORE the election.

Who got how much, from who, all of it.

31) How much uranium was being shipped to Moscow, who facilitated that shipping, they already KNOW all of this.

32) They just haven't TALKED about until now. They PRETEND they are just now becoming aware of some of this stuff.

33) There was NO WAY they were going to come into office in January & tip all these people off "Yeah hey we're going after #UraniumOne!"

34) Trump & Sessions know what happened with #UraniumOne. All the dark, dirty details. START with that premise, replay the last 9 months.

35) You need to start an investigation where somebody deep dives into #UraniumOne BUT you can't let anybody outside KNOW that.



posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 05:42 PM
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I knew Hillary was sank long before she ever elected to run for President.
2014
Please scroll til ya see my mug.



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posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 06:09 PM
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Yeah the Russian stuff is fake news... Ignore the FBI, CIA, NSA assessments... And while you're at it, ignore climate scientists on the subject of climate science. Backwoods uneducated trump supporters are apparently the ones who know....



posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 06:32 PM
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originally posted by: Whereismypassword
a reply to: Wardaddy454


en.m.wikipedia.org...


He has been called dirty Donald for years, for good reason


I can edit that article. Now what?



posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 06:34 PM
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originally posted by: knoxie
you guys would be giddy to be under putins thumb just so you can stick it to the guys in skinny jeans. pathetic.

can those poor Russian people carry guns?




We weren't the ones to tout "Russian Reset" and laugh at Romney for saying Russia was a geopolitical adversary, just to turn around 4 years later screaming and crying about Russia being the big evil bogeyman that forced people to vote Trump.



posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 06:40 PM
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a reply to: MissionTruth

Complete and total delusion.



posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 06:42 PM
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originally posted by: Flatfish
a reply to: MissionTruth

Complete and total delusion.



Until its not. Why don't we wait and see.



posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 06:45 PM
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originally posted by: spiritualzombie
Yeah the Russian stuff is fake news... Ignore the FBI, CIA, NSA assessments... And while you're at it, ignore climate scientists on the subject of climate science. Backwoods uneducated trump supporters are apparently the ones who know....


That's fine. You go ahead and ignore the dirty politicking going on in the FBI...And while you're at it, ignore the 90 some odd volcanoes (one currently active) discovered in Antarctica that even some climate scientists admit might be skewing their current data.



posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 06:56 PM
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originally posted by: Wardaddy454

originally posted by: spiritualzombie
Yeah the Russian stuff is fake news... Ignore the FBI, CIA, NSA assessments... And while you're at it, ignore climate scientists on the subject of climate science. Backwoods uneducated trump supporters are apparently the ones who know....


That's fine. You go ahead and ignore the dirty politicking going on in the FBI...And while you're at it, ignore the 90 some odd volcanoes (one currently active) discovered in Antarctica that even some climate scientists admit might be skewing their current data.


Haha, and you go ahead and keep ignoring facts and reality and scientists and intelligence agencies... and just ignore it all except for the big orange idiot. Because that's clearly the smart move. lol



posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 06:56 PM
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edit on 12-12-2017 by spiritualzombie because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 07:24 PM
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a reply to: spiritualzombie

Yeah all under the Obama Administration "influences".




posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 07:33 PM
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a reply to: xuenchen

Just saying... it's not exactly the smart people who are supportering Trump... while ignoring all intelligence agencies, media, and scientists from around the world...

Trump supporters don't trust intelligence.




posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 07:35 PM
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originally posted by: spiritualzombie
a reply to: xuenchen

Just saying... it's not exactly the smart people who are supportering Trump... while ignoring all intelligence agencies, media, and scientists from around the world...

Trump supporters don't trust intelligence.








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