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posted on Dec, 11 2017 @ 11:56 PM
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originally posted by: amfirst1
a reply to: Konduit

This is incorrect. The Nazi's and fascism are cousins of Socialism. All the leaders are former Socialist. Infact, Mousilinni operated the most popular Socialist newspaper in Italy before he came to power. The NAZI 25 planks sound like something from the Democrat party. The left is really good are relabelling themselves. They are masterful at social control.


ROFL. Not this crap again.
It's like some of you Americans have a genetic disorder when it comes to understanding political ideologies, especially conservatives.
American right claim that both ANTIFA and the Nazis are on the left wing

If nazism is a left wing ideology than how come many, if not all of you conservatives, defend the very sama nazis you claim to be left wing on every occasion? Latest in Charlottesville.



Yeah look at those nazis, they are so left wing.




posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 12:00 AM
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a reply to: ErrorErrorError

These guys actually advocate free healthcare. Isn't that consider socialists? NAZI are just racists Socialists. LIke the KKK democrat party and the Jim Crow laws they inacted. Including the trail of tears, eugenics, and socialism. Don't try to hide from your origin. All the crappy history in the US is due to Democrats and leftists.
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posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 12:06 AM
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a reply to: ErrorErrorError

Look at those flags, so fresh and neat and brand new off the production line that they still have the creases in them.

FYI the largest neo-Nazi group in North America has less than 600 members. You're literally jumping at shadows.



posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 12:07 AM
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a reply to: Konduit

Yep, Hitler was a Social Justice Warrior. Anyone who watches his speeches and look at his planks would know this. Even FDR and segregationist leftists Progressive hero praised hitler and stole the New Deal from Hitler's economics. Not to mention the Progressive founder and eugenicist Margeret Sanger got awards from Hitler and Hitler stole the genocide idea from liberal father Andrew Jackson who murder of Indians from in the Trail of Tears. If only the dumb down leftists knew their real history. They would realize that all the genocide and massacres occurred under Democrats, including the imprisonment of American Japanese during WW2. Republicans were really the true progressives from the Abolitionist to the Civil Rights Act of 1875. They also had to send in the military to protect blacks from the Democrats. Then later Democrats called themselves progressives but they were just really Social Justice Warrior extremist that took it far beyond what social justice was meant to be and it became a tyranny of the minority over the majority movement. History 101 kido... learn you past... It's funny that Republicans get blamed for all the F*** up sh17 Democrats did.
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posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 12:12 AM
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Funny how most labels on today's left (they are label crazy) are the exact opposite of what they actually are. "Antifa" is pro fascism in their ideals and "progressives" are regressives. "Social Justice Warriors" are anything but warriors or for true justice of any kind.
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posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 12:14 AM
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originally posted by: amfirst1
a reply to: ErrorErrorError

These guys actually advocate free healthcare. Isn't that consider socialists? NAZI are just racists Socialists. LIke the KKK democrat party and the Jim Crow laws they inacted. Including the trail of tears, eugenics, and socialism. Don't try to hide from your origin. All the crappy history in the US is due to Democrats and leftists.


So free healthcare is nazi ?
Gotcha

Everything i claimed in my post is right there in your responses to it.
"new flags, they are only 600, but muh left" free healthcare is nazism"," hitler sjw"

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posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 12:17 AM
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a reply to: ErrorErrorError

The NAZI was one of the first to implement universal healthcare. Not to mention the 40 hour work week with breaks. They are in essence the first successful economic socialists. The only problem really is that they were socialists with the Dixicrat racism.
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posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 12:26 AM
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originally posted by: amfirst1
a reply to: ErrorErrorError

The NAZI was one of the first to implement universal healthcare. Not to mention the 40 hour work week with breaks. They are in essence the first successful economic socialists. The only problem really is that they were socialists with the Dixicrat racism.


and you guys wouldn't have gone to the moon if it was not for a nazi called Wernher von Braun. Should we dismiss every accomplishment in the space by the United States because of that ?



posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 12:33 AM
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a reply to: amfirst1

You forgot to mention that Democrats overwhelmingly voted against ending slavery and blocked Women's Suffrage (right to vote) for almost 20 years. They eventually adapted to this system in the mid 20th century to use minorities as voting block to stay in power, or as some call it, the Democrat plantation.

Food for thought; They claim to fight for the little man... but the truth is if we eliminated poverty and disparity, the Democrats would be out of business. Chicago and Detroit, which have been under Democrat rule for decades, are a prime example of the system they thrive in.



posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 08:25 AM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

As a conservative, I will be the first to stand up and say liberalism had a place in our society at one time, as did the democratic party. Even the notion of a "free press" is actually a democratic product, the voice of the unheard and unrepresented. The problem is, the democratic party and the ideals of liberalism have been hijacked by extremists who demand every crazy thing you can think of and brand it in the name of "liberalism", "freedom" and "democracy". The irony is, these demands are anything BUT, and in fact are many times just the opposite.

Sadly, there is no longer a moral compass on the left, whatever crazy extreme notion they come up with today is the latest badge of freedom to shove down everyone else's throats, a 'war-cry' of madness. There are many sound ideas on the left, but they are more than drowned out by seemingly intentional efforts to find the most extreme of the extreme and then demand it be the new normal. They don't want balance...they want everything, anything and everything in between!

If democrats and liberals would take the time to go back in history and research the founding principles of their platform, OBJECTIVELY, they would quickly see stark contrasts to the platform upon which they preach today. There is virtually zero resemblance between the founding principles of democrats and liberals and their principles and demands of today.

Again, I can't underscore enough that there are indeed some elements of the left which are both valid concerns and justified postures. There truly are. However, the infiltration of extremists, SJW's and the like, have marginalized their whole party to the point of polarization just for the sake of polarization. It's almost intentional.

Take 'Labor' as a classic example; at one time during the Industrial Age, Labor rights were a very very valid concern, and in some respects still are today. However, the extremists of the left have taken the Labor issue to the far extremes demanding everything for nothing at all now. They've taken the word "Labor" completely out of the equation, and now just demand everything for nothing. Reparations, free healthcare, free education, free housing, free food...free everything. Sure, not all on the left demand these things, but they've allowed their party to stand for these things. They've allowed these extremists to infiltrate their ranks to the point where this is the flag they fly. In other words, they've corrupted their original platform to the point of being laughable in many cases, and frankly it's sad. It's sad because it allows the opposition to get away with things they wouldn't be able to ordinarily, but for an even more unacceptable alternative, one so unworkable as to be laughable. As a result, conservatives drift further away from basic necessities as a principle and further to extremes as well...which is not 'progress' regardless of how you package it.

Is the conservative right lily white? Absolutely not! However, there is one BIG fundamental difference between the two which resonates. This difference can be expressed with one simple theme...conservatives want "less" government, and liberals demand "more". This one concept alone keeps the conservatives in the sphere of reality with the people, and keeps liberalism on the fringe (as evidenced by voting demographics). Liberalism is strong in densely populated cities where people want something for nothing, and only survives at all based on this. If you could administer truth serum to a group of 'educated' liberals you would find they too secretly desire less government regulation, but only demand it as a defense against conservatives (or so they believe).

And so it goes.


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posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 09:15 AM
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a reply to: ErrorErrorError

Nazism is just Identity Politics. Just like Social Justice.





originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss

Stop seeing each other as different teams, put your foam fingers down and recognize the similarities over the differences.


Well I get that, but how to get The Teams to is the challenge of the decade....
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posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 10:59 AM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope


This is true liberalism. Classical liberalism.

This is liberalism I can live with, respect and even stand behind myself.

Not this crap we see today, lead by people like the Clintons and lightweight authoritarian hysterical feminists like Gillibrand. Progressives = communist scum. Liberals = something we should all strive to be.

Myself and a lot of my compatriots unfortunately get this backwards. Liberalism, true liberalism is the ideal of freedom and natural rights. It is more so libertarian than it is anything else.
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posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 11:02 AM
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a reply to: IgnoranceIsntBlisss


Yes, and just as soon as crazies like Kristen Gellibrand stop attacking our POTUS over mere unproven allegations we can start this happy-dance.

But as soon as some junior politician lackey comes out and demands our elected official resign, game over.

No attempts to remove our duly elected POTUS will be tolerated by the heavily armed American right.



posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 11:14 AM
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a reply to: Flyingclaydisk


Flying, this is not entirely true.

There are a lot of people on the left that are ready to split off from this ultra-purist "progressive" Nazi sect on the left. The Dems didn't lose their mind circa 2016 - it just so happens that a lot of the sane voices were silenced by sycophantic children, communists and other special interests that hijacked their political platform (and drowned out their voice).

Remember all that propaganda during the election? We can't assign blame to those who fell for that BS. They are victims of manipulation, and are not without hope.

A lot of Dems stand against Gillibrand and the other yuppies in congress who demand punitive action without due process. Many on the left support the BOR (all 10 amendments - not just 1 & 3-10) and stand against attacks on our liberty like hate speech laws, etc.

As Trump people (I'm not a Republican, I'm a Trump-libertarian), there are actually a lot on the left who have interests and beliefs compatible with my own. They could be a major asset in the fight for common sense, the fight for decency and the fight for our nation's future.

We must strengthen legal protections, civil rights and individual liberties wherever possible by repealing as many laws as possible. That is how freedom is regained, not by defeating our liberty and freedom loving allies on the left. I know it is hard to accept, but there are plenty of good guys and gals in the Dem party that disagree with their party's direction entirely.

We can align our interests.
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posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 11:48 AM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope
This is why the term "Progressive" is the more accurate terminology to use for the disease spreading across the globe. Even Progressives like Hillary prefer the term Progressive for she knows she's not really liberal but wants all to bow before her fascist ideals. Progressives embraced fascism during a certain unnamed time of history butbwantbuscall to believe they alone understand the true nature of man and what to do about social and economic ills. Jonah Gokdberg terms it Liberal Fascism.



posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 11:48 AM
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Liberalism was never great



posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 12:28 PM
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originally posted by: XAnarchistX
Liberalism was never great


The fact that you're living in the most peaceful and prosperous era in human history is thanks to liberalism. I wouldn't spit on it so flippantly.



posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 01:02 PM
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Liberalism as we knew it is dead. Much like how Nazis destroyed the concept of socialism and the Soviets destroyed the concept of communism. These leftists have forever turned liberalism into an oppressive ideology. That judges people by the color of their skin rather the content of their character...

Liberalism has become a racist ideology...



posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 01:25 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Great post. I've thought about this and commented on it at some length, but its a topic so toxic the avg. US American can't discuss the problem rationally because of the appeal and triumph of identity politics, I suppose. That and the infranchisement of victim status.

Think its safe to say that classicl liberalism died when the US assumed the mantle of heir to the British Empire.



posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 02:18 PM
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a reply to: LesMisanthrope

Liberalism was only great when it was the classical type. They're not going back to that any time soon.







 
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