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How The Deep State Keeps The Complicit Quiet

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posted on Dec, 11 2017 @ 06:48 PM
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originally posted by: Rosinitiate

originally posted by: Willtell
911 was the deep state confession of their existence.


As apposed to blowing the brains out of a sitting President on national TV?


That helps




posted on Dec, 11 2017 @ 08:46 PM
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a reply to: MRuss

What is happening is so outrageous that even sane people have a hard time believing what is going on.

I think most people do not see the extent of it.



posted on Dec, 11 2017 @ 10:40 PM
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a reply to: MRuss

“How do they keep thousands of people quiet?”

probably by blackmail.

have them voluntarily perform the most heinous types of acts a human could do, on camera, multiple times,
acts which if were ever revealed to the masses.. would ruin any and all credibility they have.
(I'm sure you can imagine what types of things I'm talking about.. and why those things seem to keep surfacing...
... think "Catholic Priests"...)

then there may be "lesser" sickening offenses for "lesser disobedience"...
like a point system...

probably have their familie's lives threatened etc..

then on the "plus" side.. reward them hugely with money, power and position.

it doesn't take much to figure this out.



posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 12:41 AM
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You want to know what's more terrifying than any of these nonsense conspiracies? The fact that there is no grand conspiracy or shadow governments, and that NO ONE is driving this bus.

I see a veiled argument here. I think you're really saying : "You know what would be more terrifying than having a powerful conspiracy in place, capable of undermining the people and the state???? If nobody were driving the bus."

It's the argument mafias make for their existence too. That it's better to have someone in control of the criminal underworld, than for chaos to reign. (Although, in truth, if chaos reigns, the criminal underworld is fairly powerless, posing considerably less threat to the public overall....)







originally posted by: Kettu
The world is actually pretty boring.

I think some people just can't accept that. People want the world to be like something out of a movie or TV drama, when it's really a lot more bland and boring.

Incredibly complex conspiracies with thousands of intricate moving parts are invented -- and somehow that seems logically more realistic than a much simpler truth ...


By your logic, the mafia therefore must not exist. It too is an incredibly complex conspiracy with thousands of intricate moving parts.






That the world is pretty damn boring, and the government is full of people just like you and I who put on pants one leg at a time, drive Honda's and re-use plastic supermarket bags for their lunches.




If the shadow government had it's way, all of the world would be that boring. But as things stand, only some of the world is that boring.

I suspect that their goal is a a feudal hierarchy where the serfs live in a state of communism, completely at the mercy of, and sustained and fed by the government, and the elites live as capitalists. skimming as much wealth off the top of the system as they please. Racing around in nice cars, having parties, and letting their kids squander a trust fund (which will be passed on to each new generation so that they are isolated from their own bad decisions, and the founding generation can rest easy knowing no descendant of theirs need ever experience poverty.)

The Kim Jong Un family line already experiences exactly that.

Why do you think so much effort is being taken to protect and sustain North Korea? Why does Russia threaten to join in if NK nukes the USA and the USA responds disproportionately?

On that note: why was North Korea ever allowed to get nukes in the first place?

Looks to me like they're the prototype.






It's actually far scarier to consider that instead of some shadowy "Illuminati" or coordinated "Deep State" there's really no one in charge. No one is driving this bus, no one is steering Earth. We're all hurtling through space on this tiny rock, with the richest people all fighting one another to become more rich.

That, to me, is infinitely more terrifying.



Perhaps that would be more frightening for you.



posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 07:04 AM
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a reply to: MRuss

thanks for this, I haven't come across Kevin Shipp before, watching now



posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 07:16 AM
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a reply to: MRuss

Kevin Shipp sounds like George Carlin?? or is it just me.. lol



posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 07:25 AM
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a reply to: MRuss

yes all of it seems completely true . who here remember old xfiles episode with martin landau he was telling mulder if you tried bringing out the truth they would do alot of things listed above like label you crazy or they would remote access your computer and load it with kiddie porn and them they would tip off local cops and 15 minutes later thats what happened they swatted martins character claiming kiddie porn.



posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 07:48 AM
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a reply to: proteus33

Good place for a bookmark.


Mulder: What do I do? I'm the key figure in an ongoing government charade. The plot to conceal the truth about the existence of extraterrestrials. It's a global conspiracy, actually, with key players in the highest levels of power, that reaches down into the lives of every man, woman, and child on this planet. So, of course, no one believes me. I'm an annoyance to my superiors, a joke to my peers. They call me spooky. Spooky Mulder, whose sister was abducted by aliens when he was just a kid, and now he chases after little green men with a badge and a gun, and shouting to the heavens or anyone who will listen that the fix is in, that the sky is falling, and when it hits, it's gonna be the # storm of all time. Barmaid: Well, I would say that about does it, Spooky. Mulder: Does what? Barmaid: Well, looks like 86 is your lucky number. Mulder: You know, one is the loneliest number.



posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 12:16 PM
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originally posted by: Kettu
So...

Do you have any scans or images of these "secret agreements"?

Any actual proof beyond some guy claiming to be an insider?

You might as well be promoting the whole "Illuminati triangles in entertainment" conspiracy, for all the proof your providing here.

You want to know what's more terrifying than any of these nonsense conspiracies? The fact that there is no grand conspiracy or shadow governments, and that NO ONE is driving this bus.


I am still waiting for a single one of these "secret agreements" to be made public...



posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 02:40 PM
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The 14 yr old boy I take care of has started his new trimester in 9th grade. In his history class, the hour begins with CNN every day.

Now I don't fill his head with all the vast information about what's going on or even that much of it, but he's enough aware of the situation to know that CNN is about the worst news one can watch, with all MSM being suspect. (can't keep my mouth shut about that one)

So, when proposed that he makes a simple request to the teacher to switch to Fox or something (again, not supportive of the soon-to-be Disney Network either but as what would be a notable difference from the CNN offered) his response is that he cannot make that comment or rock the boat in any way because of the repercussions that would likely stem from such actions. At that point, I told him I understand and wouldn't want him to endanger himself but rather ask himself the question on "WHEN is it ok to have a different opinion?"

Because this never stops. We are inundated heavily within our society that going against the grain will bring likely ruination upon you and your future. From high school, it goes on into college and all throughout whatever workforce you decide to join.

And there's plenty of evidence everywhere to support it. I've seen many people get stopped in their tracks for minor rebellion against the establishment. Scores of youtubers are currently being punished when posting alternative news. The news reflects it in stories such as the guy who just got 15 years for breaking a window and putting bacon in a mosque. LINK (and yes, I'm aware of the priors) On a personal note, my job was secured as lost when I shook my head at a factory floor meeting.

So, to sum it up, people are so afraid to go against the grain just with simple every day affairs that when pressed in a serious manner to keep quiet or else, keep quiet they do. Almost everyone has someone close to them that they care about that can easily be exploited. We live in a fear based society (and we wonder where all the depression comes from!) and any stepping out of line or questioning authority is quickly reprimanded with harsh, harsh life-altering sentences.
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posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 03:05 PM
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a reply to: bloodymarvelous

Thanks for your reply.

But after many years of research (more than ten), years working as a reporter and writer, confirmation by people who know, and a good solid background in politics... not to mention years traveling the world (ten)....

I think I’m going to trust my own opinion on this.

But I sincerely wish you luck... getting that bucket off your head.



posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 03:11 PM
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a reply to: gottaknow

What a great reply—-filled with anecdotal insights and some solid observations.

Thanks so much for weighing in.

It’s gotten to the point where I believe anyone who doesn’t see it is purposely not seeing it. The reasons for it must vary—-from complicity to ignorance to fear.

I have made peace with those people. Reach out to those only with the capacity to see.

But if you’re in the know, you’ve got to convince people to truly open their eyes when and if you can. And It’s happening more and more now. When I first became aware of this ten years ago, hardly anyone was awake.

It’s so thankfully different now.

But we need to reach a tipping point. In fact some people are already saying it’s too late.



posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 03:19 PM
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a reply to: DoubleDNH

Someone that replied to your query from the government already explained what it was like to sign one. Go back and read what he wrote.

It’s pretty common knowledge. Even my husband signed one when working at a government nuclear site expansion several years ago. It’s par for the course now—— not some big secret.

If you watch the video I provided, Shiff explains how under Truman another secrecy act was passed in 1948 that prevented people from suing the government—-especially during top secret assignments when deaths were reported. It’s all right there in the video.

But then you’d have to actually watch the video.

Oh, and then you’d actually have to research your point of view.

That might be a little tough for you.



posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 03:51 PM
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I used to be an IT contractor for the Army and held a security clearance. I was forced to sign several NDA's before I was sent over to Iraq. Most people in my position don't talk about they saw or heard for the simple reason and belief that we are taught that disclosing classified data might cause great harm to the country or get someone killed regardless of what that data actually is. My wife doesn't even know what I worked on when I was over there.

That being said, while the world is pretty boring there is no doubt that conspiracies exist. They may or may not be nefarious but they are part of our reality. Go read this book and try telling us they don't exist: The Creature from Jekyll Island
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posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 05:19 PM
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a reply to: wills120

Excellent book you recommended.

I’d venture to say most of the naysayers who come opposing the idea of a NWO on this site have never read that book.

You can’t walk away from that book without getting what’s going on.



posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 05:52 PM
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What's the deal with the "shadow code" in Shipp's book? Is the intent to avoid legal action or what?



posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 07:48 PM
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a reply to: MRuss

If you haven’t listened to Bill Cooper’s show from the 90’s called Mystery Babylon... here are the transcripts.

ia800303.us.archive.org...



posted on Dec, 13 2017 @ 12:23 AM
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If there isn't a conspiracy now, there inevitably will be.

Once a person gets so rich that buying another Summer home, or sports car, or helicopter no longer makes them feel giddy inside, I think that some of them will surely find that the only thing left for them is to seek bizarre kinds of power.

It would not surprise me if a few of them joined forces to try and establish a new kind of monarchy for themselves. They would focus their efforts on the nation with the biggest military (which happens to be the USA). If they got control of that one, they could use its army for their next conquest.



I see a lot of the US military starting to identify itself with the history of Rome, and the Roman military. That's a very frightening prospect. We would never want our military to follow the path the Roman military went.

It's also really sad to think of Americans beginning to look up to, or wanting to emulate Rome. To feel itself inferior to Rome in some manner, when the reality is that it is Rome that was inferior to what America is today. It would be a huge step down for history to remember us as a new Rome.

(Besides that, if I'm not mistaken, when Germany called itself "The Third Reich", I believe they meant that Rome had been the first, and Charlemagne the second. Do we want America to become the fourth?)



posted on Dec, 13 2017 @ 12:41 AM
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a reply to: MRuss

Good thread MR.
Another aspect of this is the character of the people, that accept these responsibilities, and positions of control.



posted on Dec, 13 2017 @ 10:38 AM
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originally posted by: Kettu
So...

Do you have any scans or images of these "secret agreements"?

Any actual proof beyond some guy claiming to be an insider?

You might as well be promoting the whole "Illuminati triangles in entertainment" conspiracy, for all the proof your providing here.

You want to know what's more terrifying than any of these nonsense conspiracies? The fact that there is no grand conspiracy or shadow governments, and that NO ONE is driving this bus.


Your claim is equivalent to saying there's a pile of money, trillions of dollars and nobody is interested in it.
People get killed over $20 every single day.
What lengths would they go to over trillions?




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