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At What Age Does It Stop Being A Pedophile Issue?

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posted on Dec, 11 2017 @ 08:56 AM
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originally posted by: InhaleExhale
a reply to: Irishhaf




I was about to turn 31 when I started dating my wife, she was 19, If I leave it there I am sure some people will jump to conclusions.


Not jumping but just saying from memory here in Australia,


Oops, misread. you said started dating.

OK


If you were dating before she was 18 you could have been charged with charges applied to sex with minors....


Even if she was under 18 while they dated (although in this case she wasn't; she was 19), it would also depend on if an older person had sex or sexual contact with a minor under the age of 18.

I don't think "dating" an minor itself is illegal in most states, but sexual contact with that minor is illegal.

Of course, when two people are dating, sexual contact (a caress in the wrong place) is difficult to avoid.


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posted on Dec, 11 2017 @ 12:19 PM
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Pedophiles are really just progressives. As we speak, there are active movements to get pedophilia accepted as a sexual preference. Sounds crazy now but if you told someone 300 years ago that homosexuality would be openly accepted they would respond in the same way you responded to the first two sentences.
In the future there WILL be a movie portraying a child molester as a brave civil rights hero.



posted on Dec, 11 2017 @ 01:25 PM
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originally posted by: Generation9

originally posted by: rickymouse
I do not think an eighteen year old dating a close to seventeen year old girl is pedophile. A couple of years difference is considered in the legal system. But a twenty six year old going out with a sixteen year old with no intention of any relationship, that would be a pedophile activity. Once the girl is eighteen, then it is open season.


I think you are saying 18 because that is the Federal age for filming if you know what I mean.

In my state the age of consent is 16. I think that makes it legal no matter what people think. I personally think 16 year olds are not very mature, but who am to say. When the law says 16 is the appropriate age for consenting individuals then you have to imagine that the folks in the legislature knew what they were doing. I mean the age of consent is the age of consent legally for a 16 year old and a 60 year old.

If people think something should be different then they should lobby for the age of consent to be raised up maybe to 18 so State law would agree with Federal law.

In Obama's home state of Hawaii the age of consent is 15. Most states say 16. New York is 17.

Don't forget that the female makes babies. That is what nature intended. Why be prudish about it? I guess most of the law makers in most states feel like 16 is about right for baby making.



It is sixteen here too, but you wouldn't know it from listening to the women in their thirties. They say seventeen and even eighteen, I suppose they still remember what they did when they were sixteen and seventeen and our socially acceptable age here is usually eighteen if they are dating guys over that.

Of course, teachers and some other professions have to observe the eighteen year old standard.

A lot of people in America would not be here if a girl had to wait to be eighteen before having sex. My granddaughter would not be here. It was standard years ago for a girl to get married young and start having kids. From what I have read lately, women who wait longer to have kids have kids with more health issues. The same with the father, gene expression changes the older we guys get and the more problems with kids having intolerances to microbes and foods. That info appears to be legit, some good research was done on it.

Society is trying to seize control of the laws and make it a miserable place to live. Kids need to go play with other kids, they do not have to be doing things with their parents all the time. I am seeing a lot of bad coming from the liberals upbringing of kids. I have one daughter that is very liberal while the other is more conservative. I see this first hand all over the place. I used to be embarrassed when my parents came to watch me in an event, most kids were that way years ago. We felt sorry for the kids who's parents were always hovering over them. It was embarrassing for us kids when the parents came and discussed anything with the teachers or leaders of the group we were in.

I feel sorry for the kids today, some are in prison all their childhood, seperated from others that might make them think that their parents were not correct in their perceptions. Liberals are so defensive with this. I know lots of Liberals but not that many conservatives anymore, the trend here has shifted to Liberal more, even more Far lefts than I thought would ever happen.



posted on Dec, 11 2017 @ 08:27 PM
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a reply to: rickymouse

Very insightful comment and some great thoughts. Thanks for sharing your perspective!



posted on Dec, 11 2017 @ 10:00 PM
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Gah, wrote a whole long thing and it disappeared!

So how can we (again in today’s society) go about fixing this behavior, other than just tougher punishment? Do we act like Victorians and make all these complicated rules on how people behave? Chaperones at all times? Make a universal age of consent to 16? Any ideas?



posted on Dec, 11 2017 @ 10:17 PM
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a reply to: Lolliek

Someone will come up with an interactive app that will help navigate these strange new waters.



posted on Dec, 11 2017 @ 10:22 PM
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originally posted by: TheMZA
As we speak, there are active movements to get pedophilia accepted as a sexual preference.


And that would be the Republican party, no?



posted on Dec, 11 2017 @ 10:30 PM
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a reply to: rickymouse

I have to disagree to some degree.

My parents never hovered, but they always came to our events and supported us. All the family did.

As a result, my sister and I were fearless about getting involved in things because we knew our parents would back us and encourage us.

For my husband, he was simply signed up for a few seasons of little league because his parents felt he should without asking if he wanted to, and then they simply dumped him at practices or games and never showed any interest beyond that. He never got involved in anything and hated activities growing up.



posted on Dec, 11 2017 @ 11:00 PM
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originally posted by: Painterz
It's interesting the amount of deflection from people in this thread trying to claim the real problem is with the evil social progressives and lefties, for daring to think that maybe there's a power imbalance between a 30+ year old man actively pursuing children aged 14-17. It makes me suspect there's a bunch of 30+ year old men on this site who wish they could date young teen girls themselves.


right? there's a big difference between a one-off relationship with an age gap between people who are of similar heart and mind... and a creepy creep-o who habitually pursues sweet young things 20 years younger. there's a reason for behaving like that, and whole religious sects devoted to coming up with 'acceptable' reasons to justify their grossness.

get out of here with that ish



posted on Dec, 11 2017 @ 11:23 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: rickymouse

I have to disagree to some degree.

My parents never hovered, but they always came to our events and supported us. All the family did.

As a result, my sister and I were fearless about getting involved in things because we knew our parents would back us and encourage us.

For my husband, he was simply signed up for a few seasons of little league because his parents felt he should without asking if he wanted to, and then they simply dumped him at practices or games and never showed any interest beyond that. He never got involved in anything and hated activities growing up.


My mother would always brag about things I did, I didn't do those things because I wanted to impress others, I did them because I wanted to learn how to do them. I never liked getting praised for doing what I should have been doing. I didn't mind getting yelled at if I screwed up, but they never did much of that. I can't say I was an angel, but I did learn from my mistakes.

I have always had weak ankles and joints, they sprain easily. It is a hereditary collegen issue, it does not get tough. My grandkids and daughters also have this problem. Not too good at sports. I must have sprained my ankle at least fifty times in my life, I did get better at avoiding that issue, just don't run and jump a lot, things kind of crack. I ran track half a season till I had to quit because of some hereditary tachychardia events, I lost consciousness one day for who knows how long. The tachychardia is probably caused by low blood volume I guess. I have had many tests done, always the same, not too sure of the exact cause, but the Tachychardia is definite. So, maybe the weak ankles kept me from dying from the tachychardia. Who knows, protective epigenetic factors do happen to keep people from dying.

I felt bad when that happened, my dad told me that if A bear is chasing you, just shoot him, you can't outrun it anyway, nobody can. So I do tend to take a gun with me when I am picking berries, since I can't run too well.
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posted on Dec, 11 2017 @ 11:24 PM
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The Op has asked at what age does it stop being a pedophile issue.

Due to the current climate in the country and of the nature, this should be not only handled carefully, but also carefully. In that aspect, we should take a careful look and think on this:

At one time, marriages happened at a young age, this was done mostly with nobles with children as young as 4 or 5 being engaged and then married and often they would wait until the female was in her mid teenage years, around 14 or 15 to have children. Any younger and it was frowned on, and could damage the woman’s capacity to give birth latter on. But that being stated, if you go forward in history, while there would be dating or courting, it was usually with the blessing of the woman’s family, to court or even go out with a man, while she was still single and not wanting to ruin her reputation.

But times change, and now we are at a point where this question has to be asked. This is a problem in a 2 fold way, the first is the laws that state such, which has gotten many young teenagers in trouble with the law, due to an overprotective parent.

The age of consent, varies from state to state, varying from ages of 14 on up to 18. The history starts back, in ancient Greece where there were traditions that were set. Later in the 12th century, Gratian, a founder of cannon law in medieval Europe wrote down the ages for such. In the 16th century, many countries, towns and city states were writing down the age and setting them. But until the late 18th century, children were considered little adults and were often held accountable for having sex out of marriage, and punished there in. Many reforms happened more in the late 18th and 20th centuries.

It was in the 19th century that many of the age of consents were starting to go more to the later years of teens, due to the various groups and some that were looking at the fact that there were children engaging in prostitution. There was a scandal in the 1880’s where it caused enough of an outrage where pressure was put on and raise the age of consent again. This was due to 4 exposes called: The Maiden Tribute of Modern Babylon, that happened in England. This made its way over to the USA, that pushed many female reformers in the USA to campaign and petition to raise the legal minimum age to 16, and the ultimate goal to raise the age to 18. The campaign was successful to where by 1920 it was between 16 to 18.

In the mid to the late 20th century, once again the age of consent and the exploitation of children came to light, with the sexual tourism being brought into the light and out of the children, where people, namely men were travelling to 3rd world countries, and in the 21st came the fact that there was child porn that was being put out, with men producing such and exploiting children.

I believe that the age of consent should be about 16, and no lower. The primary reasons is that a child needs to develop and discover who they are. And unfortunately many people are taking risks, and that a child is not prepared to deal with or should at that age. Some of the problems that have been starting to show up, are children having children, where the girl is too young, ends up pregnant, and then having to take care of a baby, or dealing with an STD, due to a lack of proper sexual education, to prevent both.

And as I stated before there have been a few cases where the laws are often abused and something as simple as a 17 yo boy dating a 15 yo girl, and the girls parents calling and the boy having a felony charge on him, cause the girl’s parents are too overprotective of their child.



posted on Dec, 11 2017 @ 11:40 PM
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Lolliek: This is a much harder topic to address than my own thread. But I'm going to try. I think the age difference, class difference all filter into this. But there's also something called a pederast, and that is a person attracted to someone of a teenage age. Pedophiles, usually, are attracted to children of a certain age.

Having said all this, I am now thoroughly sick to my stomach.

But I replied because you told your story on my thread, and I have much sympathy for you being public with what happened to you.
much love,
tetra50



posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 01:36 AM
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At What Age Does It Stop Being A Pedophile Issue?


once they reach alzheimer's and are in a wheelchair, then you can out run them..



posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 06:22 AM
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a reply to: tetra50

Thank you, Tetra. We as a species have a long way to go, don’t we? What one part of society deems inappropriate, there are others who are ok with it. There will never be an answer to this that everyone on this globe can agree on. We just have to do our best teaching our children to be better adults, and so on.

sdcigarpig
Thank you for your reply- it was well researched and explained.

I have to go start my day, but wanted to thank everyone who replied. When any of us see that someone is throwing the word out carelessly, we need to point that out. A 17 year old having unwanted advances by someone significantly older is just that. It’s quite different when the child is 10, 12, 6 - that is horrifying. But a teen needs to be taught to dpeak up - to yell as loud as they can to protect themselves and others who might follow.

Have a good day, y’all.


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posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 06:56 AM
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it's anyone under 16 in the UK

there was recently a underage (under 16, think they were both 15) teen couple who filmed themselves performing sexual acts and uploaded it to the net and they were both done for uploading indecent images of children to the internet.

The line is pretty clearly drawn in legal terms here in the UK , as for personal preference well you are socially pigeon holed if you start dating anyone who is 5 or 10 years your younger so probably best not to date anyone drastically younger than you



posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 07:28 AM
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a reply to: rickymouse

I think the key is are your kids doing it because they want to or because you are living through them?

My sister and I did what we wanted.



posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 08:09 AM
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a reply to: Lolliek

I think something else to consider is that it is a mistake to judge differing times by your current filter too.

Times were when marrying young was not necessarily frowned upon and marrying an older man wasn't necessarily frowned on either. Younger women looked for established providers which were generally going to be older men.

It's a mistake to judge different times through our modern lens.



posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 10:15 AM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: rickymouse

I think the key is are your kids doing it because they want to or because you are living through them?

My sister and I did what we wanted.


I know so many parents that are convincing their kids to do things that they want them to do. It was the same way when I was a kid. Since I scored so high on my IQ test, the teachers convinced my mother I would be great playing an instrument. So they got me a Sax. I had no interest in playing music, I would rather listen to it. I was more interested in Science and math, I didn't want to learn to play an instrument. The band leader knew I did not want to learn, so I just did my schoolwork in the band room break area and ran to the store for teachers if they wanted something for a snack. It got me out of Gym, the doctors contacted the school because I had some issues with joints and Tachychardia and of course, gym was mandatory unless you took something like band. I guess blowing a horn and walking in parades is exercise. None of which I did in band.

Why do people automatically think that if you have the IQ well into the genius range that you are going to want to play a music instrument? They made turntables and amps for playing music. They also made Eight track tapes if you wanted to play music in the car, you can't play a guitar while driving.



posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 10:40 AM
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No one here has addressed what it actually is, so...

It's all about prowl.

When sexual desire causes you to go on the hunt you should only hunt those who are also hunting.

That is, age is not an adequate identifier and physical features are not adequate identifiers. The only adequate identifier is the expression or inflection of sexual desire (it is an inflection in the language of emotions.)

The creep factor is elicited any time there is sexual prey -- when someone creeps on someone who isn't, or shouldn't be, expressing desire.

And as I mentioned in my earlier post: the remedy is emotional intelligence.



posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 12:09 PM
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This is indeed a big question for our times, and as others have said the often seemingly young age stated as appropriate is a relic of a cold, hard knocks life back in the stone age.

Here in Britain the age of consent is arbitrarily set at 16, which is reasonably accurate in terms of when young people are generally mature enough to make decisions among themselves, as long as exploitative scenarios are ruled out.

In general, sadly, what actually happens is that a lot of young people start making decisions to fool around before they even get to 14, and the ramifications of that - especially in a 'Snapchat Culture', can be disastrous.

In ancient times, it was often observed that 'life is cheap'. In these modern times, our fidelity is cheapened, by the culture in which we are immersed - a culture which has been CULTivated by rich, powerful, secretive men. The MTV generation was no accident - it was set up by design, and has been systematically 'deepened' in the decades since those first hedonism-fuelled days of the 80's & 90's. And we all grew up thinking we lived in an awesome, free, progressive generation. When in actual fact we were free-riding on the waves of 'progress' towards the sexualisation of the very young, by the very old.

The other thing to note is that the side effects of this sweeping culture shift - worsened exponentially by free & easy access to hardcore & fetiish-laden pornography on the Internet - can be devastating. Most sensible psychologists will have seen the straightforward correlations between the rise in permissiveness, the rise in accessibility of porn, and the general trends towards hedonism in Western society, and the increases in sexual crimes of rape & assault, along with incredibly destructive sexual addiction, leading into serious sexual deviancy.

What's most tragic is that the outer edges of this sexual deviancy are now being aggressively marketed as 'normal', and we are supposed to believe that the crap-fest of 50 Shades or the movie 'Crash' somehow feature normal sexual behaviour. We are right now, at this very epochal watershed moment in history, being brainwashed/ conditioned to accept extreme sexual deviancy as being legitimate, normal human sexual conduct & character. We are being told to alter our child's gender at the age of five years old, simply because of a couple of throwaway comments or behaviours which have been observed. That sort of scandalous outrage serves nobody but those old, powerful, rich perverts who set the whole thing in motion.

If we are not mature enough to choose how & with whom to initiate sexual contact until the age of between 14-18 years old, how are we mature enough to take the monumentally hazardous step of permanently altering our gender at the age of a quarter of that?! And yet this is the world we have entered into, complicit with the octagenarian perverts sitting on mountains of cash, gradually selling out day after day.


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Looking back to a 'scriptural' basis for the age of consent; a spiritual placemarker for the Christianised society we had/should have - (and by the way, I'm not a hardcore 'Bible basher' on this front, just a realist who happens to have faith in God) - in the Biblical book 'Song of Songs', the princely protagonist (pseudepigraphically this is King Solomon) stated: "When I saw that you were old enough for love..." as being the age at which he knew it was appropriate to court the affections of the girl he had noticed earlier on in her life as having exceptional beauty.

Note that he had seen this girl when she was younger, and had noticed her beauty, but had known that it was immoral to court her when she was too young. He patiently waited for years to pass, until he saw that she was old enough "..for love.." - NOT - '..for sex'. The girl may have been through puberty several years prior, but she was not old enough for courtship until she was mentally mature enough to have a loving, consensual relationship. This, I believe, shows us what our aim & intention should always be, when it comes to establishing an arbitrary age of consent in law. It should be according to a 'line of best fit', based on the average point before the drop-off on the bell curve at which most teenage girls are deemed by professional psychologists to be mentally mature enough to make decisions about casual or enduring relationships which are consensual & which involve sexual intimacy.

My best guess is that the age of 16/17 would be most likely the appropriate age, and I suppose therefore that setting the age of consent at 16 would be most pragmatic. Besides, most girls look mature at that age, and can usually appear mature in their conversation at that age too. So in deference to the fact that young men the world over have been unwittingly duped into having relations with a girl who is pretending to be older than she is, well, that's just good sense. Unless we are all required by law to carry around ID cards, then there's no way that young men can guarantee the exact age of the girl he is being approached by, in any number of settings. It's unfair to set that age limit too high, if it's impossible for young men not to be 'baited' into a potentially devastating social scenario (involving possibly being registered as a sex offender, serving prison time, losing one's job & reputation, and being the victim of coordinated criminal violence) as a direct result of the idiot behaviour of some devious 15 year old girl..

Although of course, the above is always second to the fact that vulnerable young girls need to be protected by a suitable age of consent law. I think I'd already made it clear in the rest of my post that there are definitely devious older men who are trying to lower the age of sexual behaviour the world over.

NB - This all applies equally to young men too, whether straight, gay, or whatever - everyone too young to make decisions of the magnitude being discussed needs to be protected.



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