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UN poverty official touring Alabama's Black Belt: 'I haven't seen this' in the First World

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posted on Dec, 11 2017 @ 05:13 PM
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a reply to: Southern Guardian

If you believe that the world's threats like ISIS, North Korea, and the Islamic world are going to say "Oh snap, the US is spending their prior military budget on domestic improvement programs. Slow down, fam, we need to stand down while they're doing this." then you really need to improve your understanding of geopolitical reality.




posted on Dec, 11 2017 @ 05:18 PM
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a reply to: Willtell

I find a tremendous amount of irony in the fact that the standard self responsibility answer of "Those who find themselves in poverty need to better their qualifications so they can find a better paying job and pull themselves out of poverty" is considered wrong headed by the same crowd that takes a stance of "The rich should be taxed more so we can pay for this for these people who aren't paying for it, themselves." That's a staggering degree of socialist nincompoopery right there.



posted on Dec, 11 2017 @ 05:31 PM
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a reply to: Willtell

Heh, wow dude. Ever heard of the Laffer curve? Government revenue increases when tax rates are lowered. it's called THE VELOCITY OF MONEY. When taxes are lowered, economic activity is spurred...Then the government makes tax on the money changing hands. JFK was planning on lowering taxes, look it up.



EJ



posted on Dec, 11 2017 @ 06:53 PM
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a reply to: burgerbuddy

Why don’t you go there for a visit And find out.



posted on Dec, 11 2017 @ 07:15 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
And way more people who can flip than are needed.

Literally anyone of age to be reliable enough to turn up and learn how can flip a burger. How many billions of burger flippers does that leave in the world?


Everyone can drive a truck too, truck drivers make a decent living (until automated driving comes out).

Gatekeeping knowledge doesn't inherently make labor more or less valuable to society. Most of the value from a job comes from the demand side of things because that actually creates a position. Supply is just competition to hire the best out of who is available. Low supply means everyone gets work, high supply means it gets more competitive. It doesn't change the value of the work to the business owner one bit, though employee bargaining power does change.



posted on Dec, 11 2017 @ 07:20 PM
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originally posted by: HorrorRoach
a reply to: Willtell

Heh, wow dude. Ever heard of the Laffer curve? Government revenue increases when tax rates are lowered. it's called THE VELOCITY OF MONEY. When taxes are lowered, economic activity is spurred...Then the government makes tax on the money changing hands. JFK was planning on lowering taxes, look it up.



EJ


Laffer curves have been discredited, the original theory was basically a back of the napkin calculation that simplified many concepts. The basic premise (0% on both ends, higher points in the middle) is correct but it's not a simple hump as often proclaimed, there's multiple humps and spending, tax rates, disposable income, and many other factors contribute to it. This is why the curve seems to be different in every single nation.

Furthermore, there is essentially zero actual feedback that the US is to the right on the curve right now, or that we have ever been, just as there's zero evidence we've ever been to the left of it.



posted on Dec, 11 2017 @ 08:02 PM
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a reply to: links234so un guy bad mouths america because we recognized the capitol of israel 37 yars after the fact against will of un. yes us has dirt poor sections most countries do even in europe. before un wants to point out failings of us they might want to look at theirs in africa. the carribean, asia, india and the rest of the world, our failing boil down to previous administrations allowing corporations to out source jobs.




posted on Dec, 11 2017 @ 08:55 PM
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a reply to: links234

Poverty exists everywhere no matter what. CA has the highest poverty rate in America at 25%. Too many lazies think money will land on their laps. I had to work my way up through hard work to beat out everyone. I see a bunch of lazies wasting their life away, why should they have what i have when I worked for it?
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posted on Dec, 11 2017 @ 09:17 PM
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Visiting Europe is like time traveling into the future, and then visiting 3rd world countries reminds you more of places inside the USA. It's pretty depressing.

Then again, liberals and immigrants living in "coastal elite" cities in blue states are doing the most international traveling to understand and see this first hand.

If the Hunger Games were real, Alabama would be the poorest district and send someone like Roy Moore for tribute.

I wonder ... if cutting taxes and following the GOP-Republican-conservative model works so well, why are there zero Fortune 500 companies flocking to Alabama, Mississippi and Kansas? Zero taxes and regulation should equal infinite economic growth, right? Isn't that conservative logic?

I hope Alabaman's enjoy their hookworm infestations, it's been known to cause mental slowness and lethargy.

EDIT: OK, maybe ONE Fortune 500 business is HQ in Alabama, Region's Bank.
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posted on Dec, 11 2017 @ 09:24 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko
a reply to: Willtell

Actually, the unemployment rate in Kansas is 3.6% - well below national average. The economy is booming here.

The problem is that the government cannot meet its budget with what it takes in because they cannot cut spending. Part of that is because the state SCOTUS has the legislature by the 'nads when it comes to educations spending. A bad decision gave the court the power to more or less mandate what the legislature *must* spend on education.

That means about half the state budget is education spending because if the educators don't get what they want, all they have to do is sue under that decisions and the court rules the legislature *must* spend more under that ruling.

That means the spending there is unrestrained and educrats have a blank check.

The other half is spent on all other government business.


I'd hardly call fast food and retail jobs that pay next to nothing a "booming" economy. If the economy is "booming" why aren't large companies flocking to Kansas to take advantage of the low, low, taxes?



posted on Dec, 11 2017 @ 09:30 PM
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a reply to: Willtell

Democrats had a super-majority in congress the last two years of the Bush administration. There is not one piece of legislation they wanted that they could not have passed. There is not one piece of legislation that passed that could not have been blocked had they wanted to. The democrats had veto proof power - AND DID NOTHING.



posted on Dec, 11 2017 @ 10:07 PM
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originally posted by: Vroomfondel
a reply to: Willtell

Democrats had a super-majority in congress the last two years of the Bush administration. There is not one piece of legislation they wanted that they could not have passed. There is not one piece of legislation that passed that could not have been blocked had they wanted to. The democrats had veto proof power - AND DID NOTHING.


Oh yeah, believe me, Bush would have vetoed anything they put forward, and you know it.



posted on Dec, 11 2017 @ 10:10 PM
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originally posted by: HorrorRoach
a reply to: Willtell

Heh, wow dude. Ever heard of the Laffer curve? Government revenue increases when tax rates are lowered. it's called THE VELOCITY OF MONEY. When taxes are lowered, economic activity is spurred...Then the government makes tax on the money changing hands. JFK was planning on lowering taxes, look it up.



EJ


Yeah sure, that’s why when Bill Clinton raised taxes and the republicans cried that this would ruin the economy, guess what happened.


The budget deficit went away and we had one of the greatest economic booms in years



posted on Dec, 11 2017 @ 10:12 PM
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a reply to: Kettu

Huh, spoken like someone who knows nothing of what they speak.

I work in electronic publishing in Kansas for a small business owner in the 50-100 employee range. That's the sort of business doing well.



posted on Dec, 11 2017 @ 10:13 PM
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You guys keep coming up with this stuff and I just keep knocking it down!


Truth
always wins against falsehood!



posted on Dec, 11 2017 @ 10:16 PM
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originally posted by: Willtell
You guys keep coming up with this stuff and I just keep knocking it down!


Truth
always wins against falsehood!


And then the dotcom bubble burst.



posted on Dec, 11 2017 @ 10:28 PM
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originally posted by: ketsuko

originally posted by: Willtell
You guys keep coming up with this stuff and I just keep knocking it down!


Truth
always wins against falsehood!


And then the dotcom bubble burst.



Oh, like in 2007=8 ?

If that was a bubble burst then 2007-8 was an earthquake under all of Bush’s tax cuts and deregulation and trickle down schemes where in fact the head of the Fed Greenspan even went so far in apologizing for his republican conservative dogma of deregulation and trickle down dogma that helped tank the economy


Alan Greenspan says "Trickle Down" Reaganomics failed




posted on Dec, 11 2017 @ 10:36 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

Anecdotal logical fallacy. Golly you conservatives sure love that one.

Your personal experience is not representative of the entire state of Kansas.

Wow, looks like Kansas rankied #30 out of the 50 states for median household income. Interestingly the top ten states for household income sure seem like a who's-who of "liberal coastal elite" states.

Top 10:

1. New Hampshire
2. Alaska
3. Maryland
4. Connecticut
5. District of Columbia
6. Minnesota
7. New Jersey
8. Massachusetts
9. Washington
10. Colorado

I sure see a lot more "blue" states than red ones in that top ten.

Well, I guess when you're dirt poor and your state has a dismal economy and no real industry, you can't have much in the way of taxes anyway...

I don't know why you you so ardently defend Kansas, a state that's well on its way to being a third world oasis. I guess things are so great there they've been forced to cut their schools back to FOUR days a week!

I mean, who needs education anyway!



posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 08:40 AM
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originally posted by: Kettu
Visiting Europe is like time traveling into the future, and then visiting 3rd world countries reminds you more of places inside the USA. It's pretty depressing.

Then again, liberals and immigrants living in "coastal elite" cities in blue states are doing the most international traveling to understand and see this first hand.

If the Hunger Games were real, Alabama would be the poorest district and send someone like Roy Moore for tribute.

I wonder ... if cutting taxes and following the GOP-Republican-conservative model works so well, why are there zero Fortune 500 companies flocking to Alabama, Mississippi and Kansas? Zero taxes and regulation should equal infinite economic growth, right? Isn't that conservative logic?

I hope Alabaman's enjoy their hookworm infestations, it's been known to cause mental slowness and lethargy.

EDIT: OK, maybe ONE Fortune 500 business is HQ in Alabama, Region's Bank.


Now head out of the tourist areas and I'll bet its a different story.



posted on Dec, 12 2017 @ 08:51 AM
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a reply to: Willtell

Big false argument by you.
What does taxation have to do with the money the USA spends. If the USA doesn’t have the money, they just deficient spend and barrow money. Please show where the government has never found away to build infrastructure or pay for government programs despite tax deficits.

Maybe there is less money for infrastructure now because of bloated government and a record number of government departments sucking up resources?




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