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And so it begins. . . . the labeling. . . . .

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posted on Dec, 9 2017 @ 12:21 PM
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originally posted by: AboveBoard

originally posted by: 3NL1GHT3N3D1
Ummm... the labeling began a while ago. Nazi this, communist that, SJW's, snowflakes, white nationalists, racists, etc., etc., ad nauseam.

I know you've been here through all of that, why act like it's something new?


What about labeling pro-choice people "baby killers." That's what the Moore evangelicals do...



That's not the same. If you believe a baby is baby at conception then it's not a generalisation to say pro choice people are baby killers.

That's not the same as labelling all Trump supporters racists.. unless you believe that they actually are.




posted on Dec, 9 2017 @ 12:22 PM
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a reply to: AboveBoard

Likes teenage girls. Check
Sexual assault accusations. Check
Thinks homosexual conduct should be illegal. Check
Defied a Federal order on gay marriage. Check
Defied a Federal order on the 10 commandments. Check
Thinks women shouldn't hold office. Check.
Thinks America was great when slavery existed. Check

ELECT THIS GUY NOW.

"Values I can believe in."
edit on 9-12-2017 by Liquesence because: (no reason given)



posted on Dec, 9 2017 @ 12:25 PM
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originally posted by: Liquesence
a reply to: AboveBoard

Likes teenage girls. Check
Sexual assault accusations. Check
Thinks homosexual conduct should be illegal. Check
Defied a Federal order on gay marriage. Check
Defied a Federal order on the 10 commandments. Check
Thinks women shouldn't hold office. Check.
Thinks America was great when slavery existed. Check

ELECT THIS GUY NOW.

"Values I can believe in."


Sounds like he'll fit right in.



posted on Dec, 9 2017 @ 12:27 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

Well, if I claimed I was a Democrat who fully denied Bill Clinton's sexual assault allegations because I put my party over everything, then you might have me.

But I'm not a Democrat, I don't blindly follow Democratic politicians, and I never defended them against their accusers like Right wingers do with Trump and now Moore.

Like I said, a mall has higher standards than the GOP and it's supporters.



posted on Dec, 9 2017 @ 12:31 PM
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originally posted by: Swills
a reply to: DBCowboy

Well, if I claimed I was a Democrat who fully denied Bill Clinton's sexual assault allegations because I put my party over everything, then you might have me.

But I'm not a Democrat, I don't blindly follow Democratic politicians, and I never defended them against their accusers like Right wingers do with Trump and now Moore.

Like I said, a mall has higher standards than the GOP and it's supporters.


Doesn't matter what you actually think or believe.

You side with the left so. . . rapist and murderer!




posted on Dec, 9 2017 @ 12:39 PM
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a reply to: DBCowboy

I'd be happy just to see people not bend themselves into pretzels trying to defend the indefensible. Just because someone is from your particular political bent just look at the issue. Not deflect from it or use semantics to dismiss it.




posted on Dec, 9 2017 @ 12:44 PM
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a reply to: intrepid

I've waivered on Moore, to be honest.

At first? I thought GUILTYGUILTYGUILTY!

But there are inconsistencies with his case.

Plus we are looking at behavior through a 40 year old prism. We are judging past actions on present morality.

Add to the fact that people are supposed to be innocent until proven guilty.


Which, to be fair, makes me a hypocrite because I judged him and found Moore guilty, initially.

Now? I don't know.


What I do know is that I don't like his politics and policies. But I don't live in that state so. . . . . *shrug*



posted on Dec, 9 2017 @ 12:48 PM
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originally posted by: intrepid
a reply to: DBCowboy

I'd be happy just to see people not bend themselves into pretzels trying to defend the indefensible. Just because someone is from your particular political bent just look at the issue. Not deflect from it or use semantics to dismiss it.





So it's semantics to believe that proof must be available before calling someone a paedophile and molester?????



posted on Dec, 9 2017 @ 12:54 PM
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After years of labeling Obama, Democrats, and liberals everything under the sun, it's funny to see how quickly the snowflakes melt when the tables are turned.
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posted on Dec, 9 2017 @ 01:04 PM
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originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: intrepid
a reply to: DBCowboy

I'd be happy just to see people not bend themselves into pretzels trying to defend the indefensible. Just because someone is from your particular political bent just look at the issue. Not deflect from it or use semantics to dismiss it.





So it's semantics to believe that proof must be available before calling someone a paedophile and molester?????


It is when the evidence is right in front of everyone.



posted on Dec, 9 2017 @ 01:20 PM
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This has to be the absolute most batsh*t crazy thread I've read on ATS. Seriously being snowflaked by being called a pedophile supporter when you support a pedophile? That's exactly what is happening, so just own it.
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posted on Dec, 9 2017 @ 01:21 PM
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I mean, if you read across ATS you get people labeling everyone as a pejorative.

critique Trump you are a "Libtard, Antifa, Commie, Socialist, Democrat"

critique Hillary and you are "Alt-Right, Russian-Bot, misogynist, sexists, racists" etc

See an Image of a protest sign, "Antifa, Antifa, Antifa"



posted on Dec, 9 2017 @ 01:25 PM
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originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: intrepid
a reply to: DBCowboy

I'd be happy just to see people not bend themselves into pretzels trying to defend the indefensible. Just because someone is from your particular political bent just look at the issue. Not deflect from it or use semantics to dismiss it.





So it's semantics to believe that proof must be available before calling someone a paedophile and molester?????


It is when the evidence is right in front of everyone.


What evidence? Do you have evidence Moore molested anyone? Please post it... it should clear things up. If you do have evidence, then I am on board with the view he should step aside.



posted on Dec, 9 2017 @ 01:26 PM
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Old old old



posted on Dec, 9 2017 @ 01:30 PM
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originally posted by: Speedtek
This has to be the absolute most batsh*t crazy thread I've read on ATS. Seriously being snowflaked by being called a pedophile supporter when you support a pedophile? That's exactly what is happening, so just own it.


I take pride in batsh#t crazy threads.

You don't mind being pro-rape then.




posted on Dec, 9 2017 @ 01:34 PM
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a reply to: UKTruth

See? I'm not even talking about anyone and you are playing the semantics game. What a waste of mental energy.



posted on Dec, 9 2017 @ 01:43 PM
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originally posted by: intrepid

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: intrepid
a reply to: DBCowboy

I'd be happy just to see people not bend themselves into pretzels trying to defend the indefensible. Just because someone is from your particular political bent just look at the issue. Not deflect from it or use semantics to dismiss it.





So it's semantics to believe that proof must be available before calling someone a paedophile and molester?????


It is when the evidence is right in front of everyone.


Except it's not is it?

Allred says they have it and won't let anyone outside her own cadre examine it.



posted on Dec, 9 2017 @ 02:00 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

I think the downright scary part is that people are being, and have been (clearly), conditioned to accept what has been presented as "proof."

Even with all the discrepancies and outright lies...

We already knew that the mainstream left tends to denigrate those who support due process, free speech, etc. with cries of racism, pedophilia, and others. But, I'm not sure we have seen this extent of cherry picking to come to the desired conclusion.

I mean, some are very literally ignoring the facts of the discrepancies in the Moore situation. Its really bizarre to watch.

The mind virus continues to break connections with reality...



posted on Dec, 9 2017 @ 02:06 PM
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a reply to: Serdgiam

I do feel a bit differently in the case of the Congressional "shush" fund. I think anyone who had monies paid out of it on their behalf should go for several reasons, not all related to actual sexual misconduct. I also think whoever snuck that provision into a bill to make it happen should go too.



posted on Dec, 9 2017 @ 02:28 PM
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a reply to: ketsuko

Absolutely agreed.

And, in that case, while further investigation is still warranted, there should be a nice list detailing at least some of the people involved.

For me, its not necessarily the exact accusations, but what many on the left are accepting and pushing as the narrative. That narrative has frequently been only tenuously connected to reality on both sides, but with Moore specifically, there seems to be a level of willful ignorance that is.. odd.

Personally, I don't know what happened in Moore's past. I feel that would come to light in a proper investigation. In much the same way, I think that's true for the "shush" fund as well.

But, I have even seen members here on ATS openly stating things like "I believe 'X' and unless you can prove otherwise, it is true." Then, blatantly ignoring anything that would prove otherwise.

If you remember, I am pretty well into the left side of the political spectrum. However, it seems that now, being on the left is more about behavior and reaction to stimuli rather than content of beliefs. With nearly any given topic, we can pretty reliably guess how the mainstream left members on here will react, even if it has nothing to do with politics. Perhaps not a problem inherently, but when its driven by eschewing reality in favor of assumptions, bias, and preconceived notions.. I don't think its a good thing at all. And, if I'm correct, what we see now is just a glimpse of where its going.




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