a reply to: Blue_Jay33
The argument that Jesus fit 350 or more prophesies is a feat easily achieved when you consider a few simple facts:
1. The gospels were written at least 30 - 60 years after Jesus allegedly has lived.
Ponder this carefully in light of the fact that History is written by the victors.
2. Because it is written after the "fact" it is very easy to mold the narrative according to historical events.
It is a bit akin to what today we would go see in a movie theater: A movie based on actual events. The story line does not even have to conform to
reality, only to be probable.
3. Eye witness accounts are known to be highly problematic in terms of what really happened.
Each and every person recounts an event as he or she has seen it, from their own reality. And how our reality generally is shaped is by events and
emotions of the past.
Wim Kayzer has written a most enjoyable book and made a television series about how we access memories and use it from the perspective of writers,
psychologists etc. Ben Okri, Gary Lynch, Elisabeth Loftus, Joseph Brodsky, Mario Vargas Llosa, Gerhard Durlacher, to name a few. 19 hours of
interviews. You can find them online: "vertrouwd en o zo vreemd, in English: familiar and yet so alien. (use startpage or ixquick click video's)
Mario Vargas Llosa is an accomplished writer, yet when he recounts a memory from way back, about the color of a house in his village, he used to be
convinced the color was pink. After visiting the town again, it turned out it used to be green.
Our memory is bits and pieces strung together with a mix of our own desires, hopes and fears. Not the most reliable source, though it might provide
leads to further inquiry.
4. Further inquiry is practically impossible because there are no other contemporary sources that corroborate the given narrative.
The 325 Council of Nicea has done it's job very well in destruction of source material. What we are left with is an accepted politically motivated
narrative that we are supposed to belief. This is a bit akin to the Warren Commission report, or the report on 9/11.
I am aware that some of you will feel offended. If you do, I cannot help you, and I will not apologize, though I do feel empathy for you. These are
the things that happen each and every time, however attached you may be to an idea.
5. The motif of a liberator, son of god who dies and is resurrected, are basically the main ideas that can be found in many old religions.
This should not suggest, it did not happen, only that it happened more often than one might think. And that should give pause to consider the slight
possibility that the whole story revolves around the insecurity mankind has with the question of death. What is it, and how can a survivor reconcile
himself with it.
Unweaving the web here we are actually left with two basic concepts:
1. To deal with life and death is a personal matter where each and every one of us has it's own path of discovery.
2. By politicizing this realm, people are easily aroused and thrown in to gear.
Take your pick. We can debate till .... eh ... Kingdom come, so to speak, and it would not resolve anything. Personally, I would be highly suspicious
of religious leaders who pander to politicians or the other way around. Because the stronger we feel about a certain subject, especially when it
concerns genuinely held beliefs, however barbaric, retarded, progressive or not, the easier we are sucked into groupthink and fall victim to lack of
Once, during the age of enlightenment, we discovered that separation between religion and politics was a good thing. In French this is called:
cohabitation. Many countries since have followed similar ideas. One might think of it as:
Oh, East is East, and West is West, and never the twain shall meet,
Till Earth and Sky stand presently at God's great Judgment seat;
Yet, when you really consider it's meaning:
But there is neither East nor West, Border, nor Breed, nor Birth,
When two strong men stand face to face, though they come from the ends of the earth!
and it comes to the nitty gritty .... do you still feel that petty divisions matter at all? That it matters whether or not some rabbi's see patterns
fueling their hopes? They look in the past, to see the future, when all they contend with are fleeting illusions.