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originally posted by: gortex
a reply to: Whodathunkdatcheese
David Cameron never asked us what we wanted.
He asked if we wanted to leave the EU or remain , what other question needed to be asked ?
Brexit was always going to be messy and ugly and painful. It could be nothing else.
Brexit became messy when Cameron decided to cut and run , it sent a clear signal to the PTB (EU leadership) that the British governments heart was not in to doing what the people wanted , if he had stayed (as he said he would) it would have shown a willingness to carry out the will of the people.
I think the problem is our collective low understanding of how Parliament, the Government and the EU work.
Speak for yourself , some of us have been watching this circus show for years and well understand how they work , the EU want a deal it's up to our dear leader to make it a benefit to us as well as them , May doesn't have the kahunas to do that.
originally posted by: pikestaff
The UK is a net importer from the eu, they need the UK a lot more than the UK needs them, apart from the tons of food imported.
As it is, America, China, and Japan all export to the eu, non of those countries pay a red cent to the eu common fund, why does the UK ?
America is Germany's biggest customer, again no payments to the eu.
No point in asking the PTB about that, no answer is ever forthcoming.
originally posted by: Whodathunkdatcheese
A No Deal is Wall Street's dream as every last part of our infrastructure, including the NHS, will sold off as part of the new, corporate friendly UK. Which leaves a bad deal as our best option.
originally posted by: Whodathunkdatcheese
originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: eletheia
Aye removing the fact that we were the first to abolish slavery !
I'm sure it was Scotland not Britain so they got that wrong as well if im not mistaken.
Nope. It was France.
You're online.
Look it up.
originally posted by: sapien82
Aye removing the fact that we were the first to abolish slavery !
I'm sure it was Scotland not Britain so they got that wrong as well if im not mistaken.
Anyways its #in shocking , to write out all the great contributions we have made to the world
Just adding this in for sake of discussion, around the same time of the Scottish independence movement, there was a TV show 100 greatest British inventors on BBC and not one of them was a Scot .
So it looks like they do this just to encourage a divide
originally posted by: Soloprotocol
Only a Scotland with a polpulation of 5.5 million and Oil and gas revenues that are the envy of most countries in the world could owe a foreign country that has control over it's wealth £15 billion+. To put that into context, Norway just seen everyone of it's 5.2 million population become a net millionaire with a massive pension fund of over £1 trillion.
originally posted by: pompel9
originally posted by: Soloprotocol
Only a Scotland with a polpulation of 5.5 million and Oil and gas revenues that are the envy of most countries in the world could owe a foreign country that has control over it's wealth £15 billion+. To put that into context, Norway just seen everyone of it's 5.2 million population become a net millionaire with a massive pension fund of over £1 trillion.
That is bull#, we normal folks in Norway will not get one dime of that money (not now, nor in the future). Our entire country is rotting, because of politicians that don't wish to use any money whatsoever.
originally posted by: eletheia
originally posted by: Soloprotocol
If we had the balls to vote for our independence in 2014 Westminster would have danced to whatever tune we wished..ie, Full fiscal autonomy would have been on offer if we changed our minds and stayed.
People forget that the UK has or had at the end of 2014 £1.9 trillion £ worth of assets of which 8% of those assets or the value of would have belonged to Scotland. Any black hole in Scotlands finances would have been well plugged and overnight scotland would have been one of the richest countries on Earth. Unfortunately the #ebags couldn't see the big picture and fell for the lies.
Lies like, The only way to stay a member of the EU is to vote NO. (we ended up out even though the majority voted in)
The only way for the shipyards to survive is if you vote NO, (already lost the ships they promised, hundreds of jobs gone last week)
Banks threatening to close if we dont vote NO, (62 Scottish branches of RBS and Lloyds to close)
Your money will be worthless,(pound on it's arse and prices of food through the roof)
Promises of more powers, (Tories and there new bigoted friends the DUP just Vote just last week to take hundreds more devolved powers from Scotland including fishing) etc etc etc. The list goes on.
#bags voted to stay, So where have they left us. Still Westminsters bitch but now a financial basket case and it's getting worse.
Falls in the price of oil have taken a hefty toll on Scotland's economy since 2014 and, coupled with the country's huge deficit and sluggish rate of growth, independence is an even riskier prospect now than it was two and a half years ago.
Scotland's oil revenue is running dry
www.telegraph.co.uk...
originally posted by: sapien82
a reply to: Soloprotocol
I dont understand all this oil nonsense, the public are led to believe the oil reserves are dwindling , now why would an il company or companies let us know exactly how much is left because they can literally hold us to ransom, for the price of a gallon of oil , by claiming its a finite resource they can allow the stock price to fluctuate as they see fit!
I dont think we will ever be told the true extent of how much oil we have
originally posted by: Soloprotocol
The Information is out there. You just have to look for it. Scotlands new oil field, 2.6 billion Barrels, England steals it again.
originally posted by: eletheia
originally posted by: Soloprotocol
The Information is out there. You just have to look for it. Scotlands new oil field, 2.6 billion Barrels, England steals it again.
Hmmn....
Nicola Sturgeon has said an independent Scotland would face tough economic challenges after data showed the country spent £13.5bn more than it raised in taxes last year.
The first minister confirmed that if voters backed independence in the near future, Scotland would need a dramatic improvement in its finances to bring its current spending deficit of 8.3% down to 3%, the level most economists see as sustainable.
The Government Expenditure and Revenue Scotland (GERS) report for 2016-17 says the gap between spending and tax income in Scotland last year was three times the UK’s deficit of 2.4%.
The GERS data shows Scotland’s total tax revenues, including oil and gas taxes, stood at just under £58bn. That left Scotland with an estimated gap between income and spending of £1,437 per head – the widest gap since the last Scottish independence referendum campaign started in 2012.
The Scottish and UK governments spent £13,175 per head on public services in Scotland, including schools, hospitals, policing, welfare, transport and defence. The UK per capita rate was £11,739.
Opposition parties said the figures exposed how unreliable the claims made about Scotland’s wealth by Sturgeon and Alex Salmond, the then first minister, had been during the referendum campaign.
In fact, GERS found the plunge in global oil prices and the UK government’s decision to cut North Sea taxes and increase decommissioning subsidies meant Scotland’s share of oil revenues was £208m – the second lowest figure since the 1970s.
The Scotland Office, the UK government department for Scotland, said the notional deficit meant public borrowing per person for Scotland was more than three times higher last year, at £2,453, than the UK figure of £704 per head.
David Mundell, the Scottish secretary, said: “Being part of a strong UK has protected our living standards, and that’s one reason the people of Scotland clearly rejected Nicola Sturgeon’s plan for a second independence referendum at the election.
“Scotland’s deficit is falling at a slower rate than the UK as a whole and economic growth is lagging behind. It is vital we grow the economy and we want to work with the Scottish government to achieve that.”
www.theguardian.com...