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originally posted by: notsure1
a reply to: SlapMonkey
It does not take training to know this guy is not gonna pull a "Statesman" and magically pull a gun out of his ass and kill 6 cops with automatic rifles pointed at him.
Blame the guy who called the cops, blame the dead guy, blame everyone but the guy who pulled the trigger.
Did he threaten anyone with said gun? did he point it at someone? Why do the cops hear gun and go in like that?
Between the 911 call and SWAT showing up was how long? And still no shots fired hmm .
LANGLEY: K, young man, listen to my instructions and do not make a mistake.
You are to keep your legs crossed, do you understand me?
SHAVER: Yes sir.
LANGLEY: You are to put both of your hands palm down straight out in front of you.
Push yourself up to a kneeling position.
(SHAVER uncrosses his legs while pushing up)
I said keep your legs crossed!
SHAVER: I’m sorry, I’m sorry. I just…
(SHAVER moves both hands behind his lower back, then moves them to the front of his waist)
LANGLEY: I didn’t say this was a conversation…Hands up in the air! Hands up in the air!
(Another officer is heard also telling SHAVER to put his hands in the air)
You do that again, we are shooting you, do you understand?
SHAVER: No, no, please do not shoot me.
LANGLEY: Then listen to my instructions!
SHAVER: Okay, I’m trying to do what you say…
LANGLEY: Don’t talk, listen!
Hands, straight up into the air—do not put your hands down for any reason. If you think you’re gonna fall then you fall on your face. If your hands go back to the small of your back or down, we are going to shoot you, do you understand me?
SHAVER: (sobbing) Yes sir.
LANGLEY: Crawl towards me.
(SHAVER puts his hands on the ground in a crawling position)
Crawl towards me!
SHAVER: (sobbing and crawling) Yes, sir.
(SHAVER reaches toward the right side of his waist)
(LANGLEY and other officers yell for SHAVER not to do that, immediately followed by BRAILSFORD firing five rounds, striking and killing SHAVER)
Also notice the rifle in the video--I shoot guns and own guns, and I could not tell you that this was an air rifle if I saw it sticking out of a fifth-story window:
originally posted by: Catch_a_Fire
a reply to: KansasGirl
I applaud that post ..... you've said exactly what so many others feel and have accomplished it from a (what I believe to be) non bias perspective.
There are particular situations where this type of law enforcement is absolutely necessary, but this wasn't one of those situations, within seconds (not minutes) of this couple appearing it was clearly apparent to so many...... but not a highly trained LEO.
I'll say it again..... human intuition.... or lack thereof.
originally posted by: KansasGirl
Adding to what you mentioned, the guy immediately dropped to his knees when he saw the cops there and registered it. They told him just to stop, and he immediately dropped to his knees AND put his hands in the air. the officer didn't need to escalate it from there.