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originally posted by: Dudemo5
Funny how conservatives have managed to label higher-education as the enemy. That's very telling. Stop it, man. Most colleges teach students just enough to land an entry level job (if that), and most teachers don't waste time trying to indoctrinate students into believing an ideology that isn't on the course syllabus.
This is all very goofy.
But you guys need your enemies I guess.
Millennials believe the things they do because of factors at play long before they started college, set in motion by the generation bitching about them.
originally posted by: seeker1963
originally posted by: Dudemo5
Funny how conservatives have managed to label higher-education as the enemy. That's very telling. Stop it, man. Most colleges teach students just enough to land an entry level job (if that), and most teachers don't waste time trying to indoctrinate students into believing an ideology that isn't on the course syllabus.
This is all very goofy.
But you guys need your enemies I guess.
Millennials believe the things they do because of factors at play long before they started college, set in motion by the generation bitching about them.
Utter nonsense! There are a lot of Liberals who think our colleges have become indoctrination centers for coddling infants so as not to be offended or have their feelings hurt over legitimate debates. As far as teaching students to get minimum wage jobs, who's fault is that? What good practical purpose does all of these Social Justice Courses promote for attaining a good paying job after school?
College students who spend most of their time and money taking Social Justice courses deserve nothing more than an entry level low paying job because they have no skills other than consistently bitching that they are oppressed and victims of White Supremacy! Who wants to hire a whiner/troublemaker?
originally posted by: Dudemo5
Funny how conservatives have managed to label higher-education as the enemy. That's very telling. Stop it, man. Most colleges teach students just enough to land an entry level job (if that), and most teachers don't waste time trying to indoctrinate students into believing an ideology that isn't on the course syllabus.
This is all very goofy.
But you guys need your enemies I guess.
Millennials believe the things they do because of factors at play long before they started college, set in motion by the generation bitching about them.
I think college may act in a way of amplifying the problem but its something the kids acquired either by the parents not putting their foot down or it came in stealthy through video games and or TV .
The lazy, self-centered, seld-entitled attitude of millennials is definitely real and college definitely plays a big part.
They also should be taught logic, the principles of scientific methodology, and what evidence looks like for an argument or policy.
originally posted by: dug88
I've read a lot of fairly insane stuff lately coming from teachers and colleges. This is really a breath of fresh air and I agree with pretty much everything this professor is saying.
newbostonpost.com...
I teach in a law school. For several years now my students have been mostly Millennials. Contrary to stereotype, I have found that the vast majority of them want to learn. But true to stereotype, I increasingly find that most of them cannot think, don’t know very much, and are enslaved to their appetites and feelings. Their minds are held hostage in a prison fashioned by elite culture and their undergraduate professors.
They cannot learn until their minds are freed from that prison. This year in my Foundations of Law course for first-year law students, I found my students especially impervious to the ancient wisdom of foundational texts, such as Plato’s Crito and the Code of Hammurabi. Many of them were quick to dismiss unfamiliar ideas as “classist” and “racist,” and thus unable to engage with those ideas on the merits. So, a couple of weeks into the semester, I decided to lay down some ground rules. I gave them these rules just before beginning our annual unit on legal reasoning.
There's more it's hard not to post the whole speech. I suggest reading the rest but I'll finish with this:
1. The only “ism” I ever want to come out your mouth is a syllogism. If I catch you using an “ism” or its analogous “ist” — racist, classist, etc. — then you will not be permitted to continue speaking until you have first identified which “ism” you are guilty of at that very moment. You are not allowed to fault others for being biased or privileged until you have first identified and examined your own biases and privileges.
I think every student going into University today should get a speech like this.edit on Fri Dec 8 2017 by DontTreadOnMe because: trimmed huge quote IMPORTANT: Using Content From Other Websites on ATS
The problem is that many undergraduate communities now are going as far as saying classical philosophy, rationalism, open debate, free speech, and even aspects of the scientific method are "racist," sexist, or Eurocentric. By undermining these, it does infringe on acquiring a rigorous education. Obviously this isn't every young person, nor every institution. But it's a growing problem. There's also a concept of "the end of expertise." I think it's due to overly idealistic false senses of equality. As an example, I work with far too many intelligent 24 year olds who it's their first real job yet they insist they know as much or more as people with 10 years + of work exp and advanced relevant degrees, and that they deserve advancement more. That's not equality, it's a lack of self awareness and humility on their part. Or maybe there is a cultural element where many young people aren't being raised with respect and humility. Again, it's not all millennials.
originally posted by: toysforadults
Maybe that's because the intelligent people like me and self educating in highly specialized programs like the one I'm taking at WGU.
also Mills despise law lawyers police judges and the entire court system so maybe law isn't attracting the highest order of students?
Very subjective point of view lacking in hard evidence from some one claiming others can't think
On top of that we have a thread of probably old people offering little to no hard evidence or deeper thought process on the matter only conjecture
Oh I'm a Millenial btw and you probably won't win a debate with me
originally posted by: kaylaluv
originally posted by: Wide-Eyes
a reply to: kaylaluv
What? Did you read the OP?
Yeah I read the OP. Seemed to be more bashing liberals than the other way around. Just trying to add a little balance is all.
originally posted by: ketsuko
originally posted by: kaylaluv
originally posted by: Wide-Eyes
a reply to: kaylaluv
What? Did you read the OP?
Yeah I read the OP. Seemed to be more bashing liberals than the other way around. Just trying to add a little balance is all.
Perhaps it could be that the professor in question was running into issues from certain types of isms more than others and those isms happened to be from a more left leaning perspective because kids these days tend to be taught by more left leaning teachers?
Just a thought ...
If they tended to be better educated, then this professor certainly wouldn't be having to uneducate them in order to teach.
As he said ... mostly their positions are based on emotion, not thought. That is not being educated.