Pope Francis thinks he has authority to change what Christ said in the Gospels.

You're better off 'ignoring' him and his Church anyway. Well, that is 'ignoring' in the sense of rejecting the teachings of his Church and whichever figurehead and public relations figure they're using. It's still an interesting subject compared to what the bible says about that religion.

Vatican Seeks to Eliminate Use of the Divine Name

a reply to: GeneralMayhem

It may be seen allegorically like that , but the ot regarding that era of post exodus in its actual written form is pretty specific .
The Hebrew Israelites spent plenty of time...

The first four books of the bible are copied from the Tora, a book written by , you guessed it... men.

Sorry I don't buy into the notions about special people and places.

a reply to: Sapphire

That name confuses google, the only link is back to here.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: Itisnowagain
a reply to: intrptr

Are you seeing now?

Seeing what, the truth the bible is written by men, is changed over time by TPTB to reflect their agenda?

You see it too, right?

I don't give two hoots about what any book says. I don't care what it is you are seeing.

Are you seeing? When are you seeing? Are you seeing now? These words here - are they seen?
Is this question really that difficult?

There are two kinds of seeing, with eyeballs and the minds eye. You're switching between them to suit whatever narrative.

End of line

originally posted by: StallionDuck

originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: Revolution9
To be fair, it is true that the word "temptation" is slightly misleading nowadays, and one version of the Anglican service has already replaced it with "time of trial".
The Greek word means "test", and the modern usage of the English word "tempt" has overtones which were not there in the original.

Exactly...!

Had anyone bothered to read, they would have found that it's not changing the words. It's actually correcting an already miss-translation. What is written in one language doesn't come out the same in another so it has to be edited.

Besides... Even if this wasn't the case, what he's saying makes sense anyways.

Since It's the pope and Catholicism, of course people are going to jump on this band wagon against. No one bothers to read anymore.

If the pope were really interested in teaching people he would tell them not to listen to organized religion and written texts but to find spiritual truth within. Of course if he did that the attendance at church would drop, the coffers would dry up...

No more Pope mobile, flowing robes and big hats.

Wow. You really have it in for Catholics, don't you?
They're not Christian? Really? You may want to read some history, perhaps even take a theology or religious studies class.
You hate them? You judge them?

The topic at hand--translation of the Our Father--actually would make for a really interesting discussion.
But it's pretty clear you just want bash Catholics. Sad.

Looking over your post, one has to wonder if you've ever really read the bible at all.

Keep working to get that plank out of your eye--seems mighty stuck to me.

originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: Revolution9
The Greek word means "test", and the modern usage of the English word "tempt" has overtones which were not there in the original.

I think that's splitting hairs. Tempt still means test. It began in the garden of Eden, when the LORD put the Tree of Knowledge there. Before the serpent even suggested to EVE that they eat the forbidden fruit, the LORD had created that "test" for them, so that they could be "tempted". So, all temptation ultimately comes from the LORD himself.

Who better to ask "not to lead us into temptation" than the LORD?

We already know the Devil doesn't help, so we can't pray to him. Only the one who "put the temptation there" can remove it.

a reply to: AMPTAH
No, there is a real difference, because there are differing elements in the situation.
1- the neutral fact that an opportunity to do something exists. That is the "test".
2- the positive willingness to take the opportunity, which is the "being tempted", as modern people understand it.
3- another party trying to induce someone to take the opportunity, which is "tempting" them in the negative sense.

The phrase "the temptation of Jesus" is potentially misleading, because the gospel writer was not intending to include the second element.
The Pope is simply pointing out that "lead us not into temptation" is not thinking about the third element.
The first element comes from God, the third element does not. James gives the same answer in a different way by saying that "God himself tempts no one"(James ch1 v13)

It is essential to understand the difference between what a writer means and what he doesn't mean, and make sure that the intended meaning is the one that gets communicated.

a reply to: slider1982

When will humanity start to drop the needy behaviour that is causing untold misery across the world and stop believing in a fairy man in the sky.

That misery isn't caused by religion.

It's caused by people.

a reply to: Revolution9

Sounds more like the Pope has a beef with how his god pushes hands into sin.

There are plenty of examples of this. Even with Pharaoh. The biblical god "made his heart hard", essentially forcing him to be a jerk to Moses.

Maybe this is just the first step in the Pope realizing he's not batting for the perfect team?

Hay, he can do whatever he wants. The Lords Prayer is not exclusive to Catholics any more than the word Amen is.

There are many schools of thought as to who the Pope is in end times. Many theories have been put forth.

If you are in Prayer with the Lord, I scarcely think a sir name matters, nor a phrase when you bare your heart.

a reply to: intrptr

fair enough . actually there's a school of thought that it was Moses who produced the entire torah , not just the obvious leviticus and deuteronomy etc but genesis as well . having been a son of pharoah he would have had the means and wherewithall to do so . he was the founder of an extensive heritage and some of the only surviving written history.

and on topic , if his perspective was that god sometimes leads us into temptation then its not up to any recent earthly figure to disagree and upset 3 religions , except that they say the pope is gods envoy . cause he can chnge the bible if he wants , just scribble out what jesu said and stick something else more suitable in

Christians have been doing this forever. None of it is the word of god. So who cares.

originally posted by: Metallicus
This is the “Dark Pope” and I wouldn’t listen to anything he says. HE is the evil one to lead you into temptation. If he wants to change things he should start his own satanic version of Catholicism.

This Pope "Francis the talking Mule" is nothing but a jackass a leftist political hack an embarrassment to the church.

a reply to: Revolution9

Its a translation. You really think God spoke those words verbatim in English, which didn't even exist at that point?

Lol

originally posted by: PsychicCroMag

originally posted by: Metallicus
This is the “Dark Pope” and I wouldn’t listen to anything he says. HE is the evil one to lead you into temptation. If he wants to change things he should start his own satanic version of Catholicism.

This Pope "Francis the talking Mule" is nothing but a jackass a leftist political hack an embarrassment to the church.

I'd be willing to bet the Pope writes better than you do.

The Catholic Church is a scam, right down to the ocal deacons. I came from a "very Catholic" family, I know. Wanna know how to talk to, find see god? Simple walk as far into the mountains as you possibly can, fast for a day or two. Find a good veiw of a Western facing valley and wait a lot will get sorted out then. Let the guy change what he wants. It doesn't make a lick of difference. And O.P. chill, wait one man does, won't affect you and God's relationship. Don't hate, please.

originally posted by: DISRAELI
a reply to: AMPTAH

The first element comes from God, the third element does not.

My friend, everything comes from God.

We don't "create" anything.

God put the forbidden fruit in the garden, AND he put the serpent there also. He deliberately creates all conditions. But, he does leave it up to us to fall for the temptation.

a reply to: Revolution9

You do realize you are posting the English translation of the Bible, he isn’t changing the Bible, just translating it “better”

a reply to: Revolution9

But what does it say in Aramaic? Or in Hebrew?

Translations are always a bit skewed, there's sometimes words/ideas and such that doesn't translate directly.