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Directly connected with this is the prayer "And lead us not into temptation." This also is found in the Jewish morning prayer (Ber. 60b; comp. Rab: "Never should a man bring himself into temptation as David did, saying, 'Examine me, O Lord, and prove me' [Ps. xxvi. 2], and stumbled" [Sanh. 107a]). And as sin is the work of Satan (James i. 15), there comes the final prayer, "But deliver us from the evil one [Satan]." This, with variations, is the theme of many Hasidæan prayers (Ber. 10b-17a, 60b), "the evil one" being softened into "yeẓer ha-ra'" = "evil desire," and "evil companionship" or "evil accident"; so likewise "the evil one" in the Lord's Prayer was later on referred to things evil (see commentaries on the passage). The doxology added in Matthew, following a number of manuscripts, is a portion of I Chron. xxix. 11, and was the liturgical chant with which the Lord's Prayer was concluded in the Church; it occurs in the Jewish ritual also, the whole verse being chanted at the opening of the Ark of the Law. On closer analysis it becomes apparent that the closing verses, Matt. vi. 14-15, refer solely to the prayer for forgiveness. Consequently the original passage was identical with Mark xi. 25; and the Lord's Prayer in its entirety is a later insertion in Matthew. Possibly the whole was taken over from the "Didache" (viii. 2), which in its original Jewish form may have contained the prayer exactly as "the disciples of John" were wont to recite it.
originally posted by: Revolution9
Lead us not into mistranslation: pope wants Lord's Prayer changed
Pope Francis says wording of prayer implies that God induces temptation but that is Satan’s department
Pope Francis has called for the wording of the Lord’s Prayer to be changed, because it implies God “induces temptation”. The prayer asks God to “lead us not into temptation”. Pope Francis visits Myanmar and Bangladesh – in pictures View gallery But the pontiff told Italian broadcasters he believed the wording should be altered to better reflect that it was not God who led humans to sin. He told the TV2000 channel: “It is not a good translation because it speaks of a God who induces temptation.” He added: “I am the one who falls; it’s not him pushing me into temptation to then see how I have fallen. “A father doesn’t do that, a father helps you to get up immediately. It’s Satan who leads us into temptation, that’s his department.” The 80-year-old also highlighted that the Catholic church in France had adapted the prayer, and uses the phrase “do not let us fall into temptation” instead.
In the Gospels it is NOT a "mistranslation". It is what Christ said. If we know our "Job Lesson" then we know indeed that the Almighty is very capable of putting a stumbling block before us. Throughout the Torah and Books of the Prophets we see that the Lord tell humanity constantly that He causes downfalls when it is appropriate. Christ knew this and that is why He said what He said in the way He said it:
Matthew 6:9-13New International Version (NIV)
9 “This, then, is how you should pray: “‘Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name, 10 your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. 11 Give us today our daily bread. 12 And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. 13 And lead us not into temptation,[a] but deliver us from the evil one.’
Matthew 6:9–6:13 (NRSV) Our Father in heaven, hallowed be your name. Your kingdom come. Your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors. And do not bring us to the time of trial, but rescue us from the evil one.
Luke 11:2–11:4 (NRSV) Father, hallowed be your name. Your kingdom come. Give us each day our daily bread. And forgive us our sins, for we ourselves forgive everyone indebted to us. And do not bring us to the time of trial.
This is why I will have NOTHING to do with the catholic church because it is not Christian and it BLASPHEMES continually. The Pope is trying to turn Christ into a LIBERAL. lol. It won't "wash", you corrupt and lying old man. I would not dare to do what the Pope is doing because I would be too scared of what God was going to do to me because of my deception. The Pope will deceive billions by this. They will just swallow it like a poisoned and stale wafer.
No, you ghastly old liar! You money grabbing false Prophet. Christ is not one of your sick liberals. There will of course be grave consequences for the Catholic Church for doing this.
The Catholic Church is an institution that has brought so many evils upon the world, from child abuse to extortion (via the buying one's way out of imaginary made up Purgatory business).
It has no authority over me. I hate it. I hate it because it is so hypocritical. The Pope, in doing what he is going to do, is a FALSE PROPHET.
Seems my friend who is in a coma for being outspoken was right even about this. I always though this track may have been a bit too critical, but again my friend is justified for his righteous musical rant. Poor Tosh1! Jawara had some serious foresight. It is sad. I think they did this that to him deliberately, on a supernatural level for sure.
No, I will recite the prayer as I am told by Scripture, not by this liberal blasphemer Pope. Their audacity confounds me, these peadophiles. How many of them have actually been prosecuted? They are being protected. They are criminals who have destroyed so many children psychologically ALL OVER THE WORLD. I HATE THEM. Judgement upon them!