Dems dropping like flies...the liberal trap is set.

a reply to: dawnstar

First of all, please don't get me wrong; I am in NO way attempting to diminish the issue of sexual abuse!!

I don't care who does it! Perpetrators, ALL, should be cast into the depths of hell! Period! (full stop).

It doesn't matter what partisan clothes they wear, or don't wear...the guilty should be punished, and punished severely. I make exactly ZERO exception for anyone (Moore, Franken, Clinton or anyone else). If proven guilty, or guilty by admission, they should be punished. Period.

So, don't presume I'm sticking up for one party and not another because this is simply NOT the case!

My words stand alone, and frankly they are not even partisan if you cared to go back and read them carefully. I have been careful to point out that party's on both sides of the aisle are just as corrupt and guilty.

Consequently, feel free to rant on, but don't direct it at me!

a reply to: DBCowboy

That really does amaze me. We're less than a year away from the 2018 elections, and it's painfully obvious that the Democrats don't have any kind of platform to run on. I doubt they've even thought about it yet with all their endless attempts to nail Trump for something-or-other.

Come next summer, they'll be scrambling like a kid who just realized that his book report is due tomorrow, and he hasn't even started it.

a reply to: musicismagic

If you want to find evil you should look in the mirror.

a reply to: AndyFromMichigan

Democrats will run on the Bernie Sanders socialist platform. From the words of FDR here is what the Democrats should run on:

An old English judge once said: 'Necessitous men are not free men.' Liberty requires opportunity to make a living - a living decent according to the standard of the time, a living which gives man not only enough to live by, but something to live for.

For too many of us the political equality we once had won was meaningless in the face of economic inequality. A small group had concentrated into their own hands an almost complete control over other people's property, other people's money, other people's labor - other people's lives. For too many of us life was no longer free; liberty no longer real; men could no longer follow the pursuit of happiness.

Against economic tyranny such as this, the American citizen could appeal only to the organized power of government.

Democrats should stand for using the power of government to keep the international corporations from forming cartels and monopolies, depressing worker's wages, and increasing poverty for the sake of corporate profits.

originally posted by: MOMof3
a reply to: face23785

Well...yeah. What did you expect. I’ll never understand why it’s expected for democrats, the immoral party to act like republicans, The moral party, but the moral party is not expected to be the moral party . So confusing.

Same reason people expect the "party of women" not to cover up sexual harassment and assault of women for decades, I'd imagine.

a reply to: face23785

But but but Dems are dropping like flies. Farenthold, Franks just today, republicans. It seems to be a man problem.

ETA. Why expect the immoral party to be truthful?
What I like about democrats is they aren’t the moral party. I have my own morals .

Many of us will not be happy until the wolves get a taste of Obama and his nasty gang...Hard to believe they got away with Fast and Furious, ISIS, Moslem Brotherhood and other atrocities while our media was busy heaping adoration on the great Obama.

a reply to: Assessor

Why not just consider it getting rid of undesirables regardless of party affiliation? If anything, cleaning up one's own house is a good thing.

All those that wanted to "clean up the swamp" should be pretty happy. The swamp is being cleaned out.

originally posted by: Grambler
a reply to: Assessor

I agree that the resignations will be used by the dems to paint themselves as righteous and to attack trump and Moore. Franken pretty much said as much during his speech today.

But just a week ago many of the very same dems calling for his resignation were silent on him or defending him. Same with Conyers.

If the dems are so high and mighty, Why did they wait for weeks to speak up?

Also notice how they seem to only have the courage to do this when it won't cost them anything.

Both franken and Conyers seat will be filled by a democrat, so it's no big deal for them.

When it will cost them though, the dems will happily defend accused sex offenders.

They defended Bill Clinton all through his term.

Many even defended him of these charges during Hillary's campaign, and we're happy to have Bill be campaigning for democrats.

Now that the campaign is over, the Clintons are of no use to the dems, and they can now decry Bill because it is politically useful to them.

I personally feel that no one should be forced to resign, Republican or democrat, until they are given a fair hearing, through the courts or ethics committee or else where.

Imagine if Roy Moore wins, and then the republicans say he should resign.

The democrats will rightfully say the republicans don't really care about the accusers because they we're more interested in keeping the seat than calling out Moore because they waited for him to win so they could out a Republican in.

Yet that is basically what the dems are doing.

Its all a charade by both sides, they are more interested in using these accusers for politics rather than taking the alleged abuse seriously.

Both sides remind me of semi successful crooks, if they spent half as much effort doing good and the right thing rather than the time they spend doing the wrong thing the world would be a lot better.

originally posted by: AndyFromMichigan
a reply to: DBCowboy

That really does amaze me. We're less than a year away from the 2018 elections, and it's painfully obvious that the Democrats don't have any kind of platform to run on. I doubt they've even thought about it yet with all their endless attempts to nail Trump for something-or-other.

Come next summer, they'll be scrambling like a kid who just realized that his book report is due tomorrow, and he hasn't even started it.

The Dems are laying the groundwork for a far far left platform that is younger, dumber, and more female. They know how to socially manipulate these younger millenials who can't think for themselves and tend to march in lock step to be socially popular.

They are easily hyped up with so-called SJW issues. I see it all the time in the 16 to 25 year olds.

a reply to: Flyingclaydisk

My words stand alone, and frankly they are not even partisan if you cared to go back and read them carefully. I have been careful to point out that party's on both sides of the aisle are just as corrupt and guilty.

and quite frankly, I think the same can be said of my words.
when it comes to elections, there's no need for anyone to be proven guilty, it's just a matter of weather or not you believe those making the accusations. of which, there have been many republicans speaking out saying that they believe moore, but still, seemingly supporting him in the election. when it comes to unseating an elected congressional office holder, again, there is no need for anyone to be proven guilty, the congress has their own rules that they uphold on the matter.
legally speaking, I don't think that charges will ever be brought against moore, since I kind of think the statute of limitations have expired.



this video is wrong on so many levels it borders on insanity!!!
first, when it comes to the people and their vote, he seems to be saying that such accusations need to be proven before anyone should speak up and say this person shouldn't be supported. the accusations themselves are like a black cloud that would be hanging over our gov't if they are elected, regardless of weather they are guilty or not. it doesn't do anything but compromise the integrity of our gov't and raise considerable doubt within the populace.

second, congress has a process that they have to go through to remove someone they see as not making the grade from office. hearings and such, and they have their own standards, which are supposed to be set above that of what is criminal or not.

third..... of course, the guy just has to bring in the hot topic of abortion somehow!!!

I have my own standard by the way... and I've been waiting for a very long time for one, just one candidate to be able to face the voters in honesty and tell only the truth!!!

but if moore is elected and allowed into the congress and we start hearing about him preying on the pages, who are all pretty much minors.... I do believe that will be the end of the republican party along with the christian right!!

originally posted by: DBCowboy
Democrats have absolutely nothing, no platform, no issue to run on except for sex.

They want to raise taxes.

They want to ban guns.

They hate the 1st Amendment, unless it's convenient for them.

They want to socialize healthcare.

None of their foundational issues are popular with average Americans.

So they lie. And they bring up emotion-based issues to sneak in their people.

No true Scotsman, eh

It's only lefties who lie and use emotional-based issues?

Irooooooony

originally posted by: RomeByFire

originally posted by: DBCowboy
Democrats have absolutely nothing, no platform, no issue to run on except for sex.

They want to raise taxes.

They want to ban guns.

They hate the 1st Amendment, unless it's convenient for them.

They want to socialize healthcare.

None of their foundational issues are popular with average Americans.

So they lie. And they bring up emotion-based issues to sneak in their people.

No true Scotsman, eh

It's only lefties who lie and use emotional-based issues?

Irooooooony

Not at all. But this topic isn't about republicans.

Start a thread on them and we will laugh and sing and destroy them.

a reply to: Assessor

Unfortunately for them, the Roy Moore accuser with the forged yearbook just threw a wrench into the works.

Also, I won't be surprised if Franken sticks around.

a reply to: dawnstar

I doubt one senator with a scandal would bring down the republican party. It's in the strongest position its had in about a century. But, what's to stop pages from falsely claiming harassment? That's what I'm uncomfortable with about all of these accusations. Especially in politics.

a reply to: Dfairlite

no, the republican party isn't in the strongest position it's had in about a century....
it was much stronger after 9/11 and if I thought about it long enough, I probably could think of several other times when it was much stronger.
i'm tempted to say that both parties are weaker than they've ever been! we[ve got a small portion of each party trying to become the identity of the party while the majority of the people are more middle of the road either leaning a little to the left, or little to the right. there's a better chance of both parties losing those middle of the road folks and us ending up with a three party system than there is that those middle of the road folks are gonna accept the policies of those who are so far left or far right.

But, what's to stop pages from falsely claiming harassment? That's what I'm uncomfortable with about all of these accusations. Especially in politics.

so we should dismiss any claims of such that come from future pages and brand them as liars, for the sake of politics? maybe they can be bought off?? what is the going price for a child's innocence now days anyways?? ever think that maybe, just maybe if the accusations had been taken seriously to begin with, instead of covering them up, branding the accusers of liars, or just paying them off to go away, we wouldn't be having so many accusations today??

a reply to: Assessor


Wake up and smell the pizza..

Donald Trump will be the downfall of the Republican party.

originally posted by: dawnstar
a reply to: Dfairlite

no, the republican party isn't in the strongest position it's had in about a century....
it was much stronger after 9/11 and if I thought about it long enough, I probably could think of several other times when it was much stronger.
i'm tempted to say that both parties are weaker than they've ever been! we[ve got a small portion of each party trying to become the identity of the party while the majority of the people are more middle of the road either leaning a little to the left, or little to the right. there's a better chance of both parties losing those middle of the road folks and us ending up with a three party system than there is that those middle of the road folks are gonna accept the policies of those who are so far left or far right.

But, what's to stop pages from falsely claiming harassment? That's what I'm uncomfortable with about all of these accusations. Especially in politics.

so we should dismiss any claims of such that come from future pages and brand them as liars, for the sake of politics? maybe they can be bought off?? what is the going price for a child's innocence now days anyways?? ever think that maybe, just maybe if the accusations had been taken seriously to begin with, instead of covering them up, branding the accusers of liars, or just paying them off to go away, we wouldn't be having so many accusations today??

We shouldn’t dismiss claims out of hand; alternatively we shouldn’t jump to conclusions either. I don’t think there is any doubt people will make false allegations for political gains (or get others to do it). In fact, I would be inclined to believe an accuser with NOTHING to gain from an allegation, other than justice and peace. But my believing someone doesn’t equal guilt or innocence either. That is what a court of law is supposed to be for...or at least it used to be...

a reply to: Lab4Us

we're talking about congress...
it seems that their choice solution to such a problem would be to sweep it all under the rug with a big payoff to the accuser. no messy hearings that might bring dishonor to the great institution... just pay them off and send them on their way... introducing a much better motive for false accusations... financial gain!!!

That is what a court of law is supposed to be for...or at least it used to be...

but, historically speaking, I don't believe it worked that way when it came to sexual harassment, assaults.
especially with the rich and famous... it was more in the line of paying them off or assaulting the reputation beyond repair. which led to many women just keeping quiet and if it involved their workplace, either giving up the job that they may very well had needed or putting up with the bs!
in many ways we are in a kind of transitional period, have been for decades, and we haven't managed to find an equilibrium yet. it won't be found in this area as long as the assaulters and harassers are bailed out be it from corporate funds or taxpayer funds for convenience sake like it seems many have in the past. each accusation needs to be investigated and be brought into the light. that would end any false accusations as well as deliver justice where it is deserved.