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What is going on in Saudi Arabia ?

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posted on Dec, 7 2017 @ 07:23 AM
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1. During transition, Trump campaign speculates that USA should help Russia build nuclear power plants in SA. The idea was publicly very quickly dismissed.

2. Donald Trump has a major state visit to SA, his first foreign visit as President. This is seen as a super strange choice due to his complete lack of diplomatic familiarity, and due to their history of extreme sensibility to any diplomatic faux pas. Donald Trump touts "$300 billion" worth of weapons sales after the visit, despite SA being in a major war with Yemen and stories of atrocities starting to come out of the region. It's obvious these weapons will be used for major human rights violations in Yemen.

3. The King of SA has seemed to have had a massive crackdown on enemies. Mysterious deaths, mysterious arrests, mysterious asset seizures, mysterious helicopter crashes of Government officials all happening over a very quick 2 week period. The King announces several measures that go against Saudi religious sensibilities, such as allowing women to hold a driver's license.

4. A previously almost unknown Saudi Prince buys a Leonardo Da Vinci painting for $450 million, a huge increase in the record for a piece of artwork. He's never bought art before, and was so unknown to Christie's that they had to try and determine who he was and where his $100 million deposit came from. He only came forward the night before the auction, which didn't give them much time to vet him. Now, the painting is a painting of JESUS, why would a senior representative of a staunchly Muslim country buy this? The painting was sold by the same Russian oligarch that overpaid $50 mil on a Donald Trump-owned property only to demolish it. The seller isn't known for selling artwork, just as a collector. The oligarch has strong ties to Vladimir Putin and the Government of Russia

5. US Secretary of Energy Rick Perry has a visit to Saudi Arabia, despite rumors continuing to build of atrocities against civilians and other war crimes being carried out by Saudi Arabia in Yemen. Rick Perry, as Sec Energy, is in charge of the nuclear stockpile of the USA. He has little to do with oil imports. There was no official announcement as to what he was doing there, and no one from any media outlet has asked what he was doing there or really publicized the visit at all. The only reason most people know he's there is that he tweeted out pictures of his visit.

6. Was the painting purchase, in reality, a payoff to the Russian Government for nuclear fuel for reactors for Saudi Arabia? Why would a country with the largest oil reserves in the world want nuclear power? Unless it was to enrich fissionable material in order to build a nuclear bomb? Why would #SecEnergy be visiting right after this purchase was made? Is he there to oversee a smooth transition of fissionable material and to ensure that everything works the way it should during the payment process?

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posted on Dec, 7 2017 @ 07:57 AM
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a reply to: babybunnies

the only time conspiracy theories are just fluff, is when they involve Trump. (according to every Trump supporter)

ipso facto, there's nothing nefarious going on, its all mild coincidences.

remember 'Hilary', Obama etc etc..



posted on Dec, 7 2017 @ 08:00 AM
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originally posted by: odzeandennz
a reply to: babybunnies

the only time conspiracy theories are just fluff, is when they involve Trump. (according to every Trump supporter)

ipso facto, there's nothing nefarious going on, its all mild coincidences.

remember 'Hilary', Obama etc etc..


Yah, that's what the far right wing will say. I find the best conspiracy theories are the ones you come up with on your own by closesly following the news (or lack of it) surrounding events, and / or that aren't being widely discussed.

See: David Kelly, Dominique Strauss-Khan.



posted on Dec, 7 2017 @ 08:05 AM
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originally posted by: odzeandennz
a reply to: babybunnies

the only time conspiracy theories are just fluff, is when they involve Trump. (according to every Trump supporter)

ipso facto, there's nothing nefarious going on, its all mild coincidences.

remember 'Hilary', Obama etc etc..

You might want to catch up on the conspiracy theories on Saudi Arabia involving Trump. There are Trump supporters that connect his trips with what is happening there and they are saying that what has happened is a direct result of Trump's visits.



posted on Dec, 7 2017 @ 08:05 AM
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a reply to: babybunnies
Interesting...'splains much.



posted on Dec, 7 2017 @ 08:06 AM
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a reply to: babybunnies

1. No idea.

2. Saudi Arabia is one of the world's largest purchasers of defense related goods & services. In fact, they were the 3rd or 4th largest spender on defense in 2016.

3. The King has given a lot of favor & power to his young son & successor, the current Crown Prince. The Crown Prince is the major force behind the reforms going on in Saudi Arabia, including their mass arrests of high ranked figures, their war in Yemen, their current increase in women's rights, their revolutionary "Vision 2030" economic plan that is expected to sell off part of their state owned oil company sometime in 2018, etc. There are several threads on ATS that go into more detail on this stuff, like THIS, THIS, and THIS. Though for the record, women having driver's license doesn't go against Islam. That was a Saudi-only thing which other Muslim majority countries don't have.

4a. There are literally thousands of Saudi princes. The House of Saud has somewhere between 15,000 and 30,000 members.

4b. The Prophet Jesus is one of the 4 most highly revered Prophets in Islam, along with the Prophets Moses/Musa, David/Dawood, and Muhammad. The Qur'an even calls him the Messiah multiple times, like in Surah 3:45, Surah 4:157, Surah 4:171, and Surah 4:172. And those are just in the first 4 Surahs! (There are 114 Surahs in the Qur'an.)

5. You're surprised that the head of the Dept of Energy would go to Saudi Arabia? O.o Just so you know, here's a link to the "Office of Oil and Natural Gas" from the Dept of Energy's official govt website (HERE). In other words, they do more than just nuclear-related things.

6. Was it a payoff? Who knows. However, Saudi Arabia's trying to ween itself off of its dependence on oil & natural gas revenue. Remember the "Vision 2030" plan I mentioned in #3? One of its goals is to ween themselves off of oil. So it makes perfect sense for them to be looking at alternative power sources.

With that being said, I don't trust the Crown Prince with nuclear anything. I'm not a gambling man, but if I were, I'd bet that his regime would try to get nuclear weapons through this arrangement. So I wouldn't be surprised in the least bit if your speculations were correct on this all being related to nuclear weapons.

(Muahahaha! Didn't see that plot twist coming, did you? You probably thought I was simply refuting whatever you said, huh? Nope! If anything, the fact that there are credible and plausible explanations for all of your coincidences makes me more suspicious that you may be onto something. They've threatened to get nukes before and a recently leaked memo mentioned them getting nukes if Israel doesn't give of their nukes. So I wouldn't be surprised if this was simply a contingency plan to get nukes if their other options don't pan out. I'm not saying it's true; just that we shouldn't outright dismiss the possibility.)



posted on Dec, 7 2017 @ 08:07 AM
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originally posted by: babybunnies
1. During transition, Trump campaign speculates that USA should help Russia build nuclear power plants in SA. The idea was publicly very quickly dismissed.

2. Donald Trump has a major state visit to SA, his first foreign visit as President. This is seen as a super strange choice due to his complete lack of diplomatic familiarity, and due to their history of extreme sensibility to any diplomatic faux pas. Donald Trump touts "$300 billion" worth of weapons sales after the visit, despite SA being in a major war with Yemen and stories of atrocities starting to come out of the region. It's obvious these weapons will be used for major human rights violations in Yemen.

3. The King of SA has seemed to have had a massive crackdown on enemies. Mysterious deaths, mysterious arrests, mysterious asset seizures, mysterious helicopter crashes of Government officials all happening over a very quick 2 week period. The King announces several measures that go against Saudi religious sensibilities, such as allowing women to hold a driver's license.

4. A previously almost unknown Saudi Prince buys a Leonardo Da Vinci painting for $450 million, a huge increase in the record for a piece of artwork. He's never bought art before, and was so unknown to Christie's that they had to try and determine who he was and where his $100 million deposit came from. He only came forward the night before the auction, which didn't give them much time to vet him. Now, the painting is a painting of JESUS, why would a senior representative of a staunchly Muslim country buy this? The painting was sold by the same Russian oligarch that overpaid $50 mil on a Donald Trump-owned property only to demolish it. The seller isn't known for selling artwork, just as a collector. The oligarch has strong ties to Vladimir Putin and the Government of Russia

5. US Secretary of Energy Rick Perry has a visit to Saudi Arabia, despite rumors continuing to build of atrocities against civilians and other war crimes being carried out by Saudi Arabia in Yemen. Rick Perry, as Sec Energy, is in charge of the nuclear stockpile of the USA. He has little to do with oil imports. There was no official announcement as to what he was doing there, and no one from any media outlet has asked what he was doing there or really publicized the visit at all. The only reason most people know he's there is that he tweeted out pictures of his visit.

6. Was the painting purchase, in reality, a payoff to the Russian Government for nuclear fuel for reactors for Saudi Arabia? Why would a country with the largest oil reserves in the world want nuclear power? Unless it was to enrich fissionable material in order to build a nuclear bomb? Why would #SecEnergy be visiting right after this purchase was made? Is he there to oversee a smooth transition of fissionable material and to ensure that everything works the way it should during the payment process?


Because the popcorn trail from 911 runs thru SA....it didnt originate there.....and the USA WILL settle that debt up......looks like Isreal is in for some hard times.....lol.



posted on Dec, 7 2017 @ 08:08 AM
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I won't bother with number one.

Number two. Trump visited the three major religious leaders of the region. Not just SA. SA being the first is logically explained by the left's knee jerk label of 'racist' on any view that is outside their comfort zone. To show otherwise, Trump selected SA first.

Number three. Not much mystery here. SA, right back to GW, was told they had two ways to go. Face the fact of fundamentalist extremism winning out or work with the U.S..

They're cleaning house, whatever the 'trigger' is. They're showing that they prefer staying in power and enjoying their 'wealth' with the loosening of 'rules' re women as a message to the west. Rather obvious, don't you think.

Number four. SA and the U.S. (?) is freezing assets of accused members that have been charged/detained by the regime. Buying that piece of art is nothing more than money laundering. Getting rid of cash that otherwise would have been frozen and likely seized. The art work can be sold at a later date. Yes? Russia/Putin, et al, are cash short. Yes?

Number five. Rumors of atrocities? Please. Daily and normal operating basis in every country in the region. Again, highlighting the SA's version is disingenuous.

Number six is covered in number four.

If SA wants nuclear power plants, or nukes for that matter, they can afford both without anyone's help.

Good night, Gracie.



posted on Dec, 7 2017 @ 08:10 AM
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a reply to: babybunnies

To my very limited knowledge of how these things work it sure looks like money laundering.



posted on Dec, 7 2017 @ 08:12 AM
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6. There's really nothing unusual about Saudi Arabia wanting nuclear power plants. They know as well as everyone else that their oil will eventually run out.



posted on Dec, 7 2017 @ 08:13 AM
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Not to mention the $2 trillion IPO of Saudi Oil company Aramco and the planned $500 billion new city Neom (oops anagram for omen).

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posted on Dec, 7 2017 @ 08:16 AM
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a reply to: butcherguy

What's going on today sure is due to trumps actions. Protests, burning American and Israeli flags, burning pictures of trump,.
I saw one man beating a poster of trump with his shoe. Just smaking his face over and over again.
The United Nations is going to have a special meeting of the security council on friday!
Time for this man to go.
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posted on Dec, 7 2017 @ 08:24 AM
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a reply to: babybunnies

The Saudis and the Israels are NOT our friends.



posted on Dec, 7 2017 @ 08:25 AM
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originally posted by: Sillyolme
a reply to: butcherguy

What's going on today sure is due to trumps actions. Protests, burning American and Israeli flags, burning pictures of trump,.
I saw one man beating a poster of trump with his shoe. Just smaking his face over and over again.
The United Nations is going to have a special meeting of the security council on friday!
Time for this man to go.

Are you talking about Israel and/or Palestine?
Because that isn't the same place as Saudi Arabia.



posted on Dec, 7 2017 @ 08:26 AM
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a reply to: enlightenedservant

While there's always the possibility of 'conspiracy', there is also the possiblity it's nothing more than policy change from Obama to Trump.

Obama likely would never support a cleaning out of extremists from the House of Saud as Obama was financing the same people. Yes?

Here was Trump's message to the ME. Simple. Concise. SA is complying. Simple really.

www.youtube.com...



posted on Dec, 7 2017 @ 08:46 AM
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a reply to: babybunnies

I'd rather there be a shift towards Russian values than the West stay in the amoral , hyper sexual cess pool were in now.

At least Russian men seem to still be proud to be men, and have brains.

Rather be allied to Russia than Saudi Arabia, or any middle Eastern country of intolerance.



posted on Dec, 7 2017 @ 08:50 AM
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We stand and watch muslim immigrants wage jihad on our countries and Europe.. she's practically lost to these tribal degenerates.

That's how backwards our heads are on. Russia goes on and cleans house and eliminates all ISIS strongholds in a year. The USA never even tried. ISIS was the USA's tool for keeping the terror angle open for control.

What I'm saying is. Russia has done way more to fix the mess the USA has created. If you need to kiss their boots then do it, because I don't see the US gov interested in fixing much anything.
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posted on Dec, 7 2017 @ 08:56 AM
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Isn't it amazing though, ever since trump got in, the attacks seemed to decline. Now we don't hear about nearly as many as before.

Either that or the attacks that are being reported as commited by white men a complete fabrication and it's jihadists. Sort of how they don't report suicides, maybe they just pretend it's not muslims anymore so they don't get their glory or terror.



posted on Dec, 7 2017 @ 09:35 AM
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a reply to: babybunnies

There's a major change in Saudis Arabia's policies so it seems. We will have to see what it actually entails. If they defang the Wahhabism they spread, it will be a sea change.

It's pretty obvious that SA considers Iran it's #1 foe and is taking steps to take them on. It's also pretty obvious that Trump and SA have an overall framework of a strategy, hence the State visit with all the bells and whistles.

How that plays out for the world is yet to be known. The new Saudi Prince and King in waiting seems to be a different breed than we are used to from the house of Said. Time will tell if he is......
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posted on Dec, 7 2017 @ 09:39 AM
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Maybe things are being found in different parts of the world and need to be acquired before they are destroyed, lost or fall into the wrong hands?




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