I Really Want to Know.

Roger Ailes. Gone. Forgotten?
Bill O'reilly. Gone. Forgotten?
Harvey Weinstein. Gone. Forgotten?
John Conyers. Gone. Not forgotten.
Al Franken. Gone?
Roy Moore.
Donald Trump.


Are all of the women lying? Are any of them?
Does any of it matter? To whom?




In the words of an Englishman, "What goes on? (chick a chick)"

a reply to: Phage

I think it matters. So much so that they should bring forward their evidence in a courtroom.

a reply to: JinMI

Statute of limitations bro.
Law says it don't matter.

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: Phage

So much so that they should bring forward their evidence in a courtroom.

How does one prove in a court of law that "he groped me 15 years ago," or "felt me up when I was a teen 40 years ago," etc?

a reply to: Phage

victimsofcrime.org...

Not always and not in all states. New York is a good one, not so much for Alabama however.

a reply to: Liquesence

How does one prove that another is lying 15 or 40 years later for personal or political means?

See the problem?

a reply to: JinMI

Not always and not in all states.

Nor for all outrageous and abusive behavior.

a reply to: Phage

Fair enough.


As a one off, do you think anything will be done about the limitation laws going forward?

a reply to: JinMI

A conundrum, indeed.
Now what? And why now?

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: Liquesence

How does one prove that another is lying 15 or 40 years later for personal or political means?

See the problem?

That's my point. It can't be proved with evidence.

So we should just brush it aside? You said it matters.

a reply to: JinMI

As a one off, do you think anything will be done about the limitation laws going forward?

Nope.

But maybe, just maybe, there is an awareness growing that there are limits to what those in power (in any regard) are allowed to do (in any regard).

But there is a judge in New York, who is carrying a decision of import at the moment.
www.npr.org...

originally posted by: Liquesence

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: Phage

So much so that they should bring forward their evidence in a courtroom.

How does one prove in a court of law that "he groped me 15 years ago," or "felt me up when I was a teen 40 years ago," etc?

Some Options for Victims.

1. Prove it in a court - Seek Punishment of the assaulter.
2. If it's too late, tell people, without caring if they believe you.
3. Don't ever tell anyone
4. Go to the assaulter and ask if they're willing to apologize.
5. Forgive the assaulter, regardless of any other actions you take/don't take.
6. Exact personal vengence against the assaulter.
What else?

a reply to: Liquesence

Phage

Innocent until proven guilty, in a court of law. That's the way this works. I would like to also add that if allegations are enough to topple people in power, then we're all in for one hell of a ride.

a reply to: carewemust

You missed the point. It's not about options but how to prove it.

a reply to: JinMI

Innocent until proven guilty, in a court of law.

In criminal law, yes.
Tort is tricky.

originally posted by: JinMI
a reply to: Liquesence

Phage

Innocent until proven guilty, in a court of law.

Creepers and sexual assaulters love that.

So much for justice.

a reply to: Phage

So it's now a defamation lawsuit instead of criminal. Alright, fine. How does this help the notion that sexual assaults (that we all know) are happening and we need to do something about them.

To me it screams payday over justice.

a reply to: Phage

That's not to say that these women can't be there and character witnesses and testify to strengthen a case where that statute has not ran out. I'm not a lawyer and this can't be a new revelation.

How come we havn't seen this?

originally posted by: Liquesence
a reply to: carewemust

You missed the point. It's not about options but how to prove it.

I was responding to the two Phage questions:
"Does it matter?" and "To Whom?"

His OP was multi-faceted.

Legally, it is not harassment if the "victim" does not tell the "perpetrator" it is unwelcome at least once. Silence breeds acceptance. I understand the difficulties of speaking up for some, risking retribution. However, that is also illegal (i.e. similar to quid pro quo). Another challenge is that what one person feels is harassment, another feels is fine and may even play back. The key is for those to feel it is offensive must inform someone or nothing will happen.

What we need to do is provide a way for those that experience real harassment to document that in some legally binding form without the perpetrator knowing (initially). Then the act of retribution can be monitored and also reported. Until the acceptance of retribution is gone, then it will require bravery on the part of the harassed to come forward and take that risk.

People have legal rights, even against false accusations (regardless of the quantity). It is not an easy thing to solve for sure.